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[xXRedxSlugXx]

Honestly after using a PC in my living room for 10+ years, I'd recommend just using keyboard and mouse and having a controller nearby. I've tried all kinds of ways to simplify the setup but nothing is perfectly seemless. I just set this (pic below, its literally a plank of wood) on my lap and move it to my side table when I'm not using it. The keyboard is velcro'd to the board so I can pull it off if I need to but it stays secured. Plus its nice having a full keyboard and mouse setup for the games that are just better with such setup.

 

[Crayon]

It's so fucking hard to find an htpc m/kb that does what I want. I have one that's almost perfect, but of course it's ebay junk and the model is gone for similar ones that are missing one key feature or another. I swear I've been through ten of these things all different designs. Why is it so hard.

If anyone has a recommendation for a good one, please let me know.

....

The lap board setup in the post above. I love the resourcefulness but I am repelled lol. I don't like playing on kb/m anymore, though. It's something that keeps me from playing some select genres, though. RTS, in particular.

 

[Poppinfresh]

It's so fucking hard to find an htpc m/kb that does what I want. I have one that's almost perfect, but of course it's ebay junk and the model is gone for similar ones that are missing one key feature or another. I swear I've been through ten of these things all different designs. Why is it so hard.

If anyone has a recommendation for a good one, please let me know.

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The lap board setup in the post above. I love the resourcefulness but I am repelled lol. I don't like playing on kb/m anymore, though. It's something that keeps me from playing some select genres, though. RTS, in particular.

I just use a Iqunix keyboard and a Razer mouse, on a lapboard meant for a laptop. It works fine, but 90% of the games I play on my HTPC are played with a gamepad (I switch between Xbox Elite 2 and Dualsense, depending on the game).

I'm not playing any Kb/m intensive games like RTS' but if I were, I'm sure my set-up would work OK.

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.

 

[Crayon]

I just use a Iqunix keyboard and a Razer mouse, on a lapboard meant for a laptop. It works fine, but 90% of the games I play on my HTPC are played with a gamepad (I switch between Xbox Elite 2 and Dualsense, depending on the game).

I'm not playing any Kb/m intensive games like RTS' but if I were, I'm sure my set-up would work OK.

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.

Im looking for something like this:

It's way too hard to get one that really works well. They are all cheap junk. It's used just for the browser and navigating desktop. Have a good one now and it's all I need. Ready to replace mine, though and I can't buy it lol.

 

[StereoVsn]

I have Razer Turret that I bought a while back for couch PC and Xbox gaming. It’s pretty decent for what it is.

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Turret-Wireless-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B07QXLC24V

 

[Celcius]

For y'all that already have a PC hooked up to the living room TV, would you mind posting what your entertainment setup looks like? Just trying to get ideas

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Ok... here is where yall can help me out.

I'd like to set my PC up so that it skips login and boots directly into big picture mode. That's easy, there are a ton of resources on how to do that.

I have two monitors. A 1440p LCD which serves as a desktop and my C1 OLED which is what I will do my gaming on and the screen I want to be on when it boots up.

My question is:
Is there a way I can create a script program in Steam that I can click on like a game that will disable the OLED and switch to the 1440p monitor, while simultaneously disabling the OLED.
I want to be able to do all of this in Big Picture mode. I'd imagine there is a way to do it.

Finally, I plan to make this a dual boot system, where I have Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC for gaming ONLY. Basically only AMD drivers would be installed. No office, no bloated apps. Xbox related apps would be installed. My second OS would have Windows 11 for basic office work, that would boot exclusively on the 1440p desktop monitor.

I would LOVE to have an option in Steam to reboot the system into Windows 11. basically this is the setup I have in Bazzite right now.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

My question is:
Is there a way I can create a script program in Steam that I can click on like a game that will disable the OLED and switch to the 1440p monitor, while simultaneously disabling the OLED.
I want to be able to do all of this in Big Picture mode. I'd imagine there is a way to do it.

Powershell scripts should be able to do this afaik. You can reference them as a program in Steam if you launch them as an exe

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Powershell scripts should be able to do this afaik. You can reference them as a program in Steam if you launch them as an exe

I am pretty sure it can be done.

 

[SScorpio]

I have two monitors. A 1440p LCD which serves as a desktop and my C1 OLED which is what I will do my gaming on and the screen I want to be on when it boots up.

My question is:
Is there a way I can create a script program in Steam that I can click on like a game that will disable the OLED and switch to the 1440p monitor, while simultaneously disabling the OLED.
I want to be able to do all of this in Big Picture mode. I'd imagine there is a way to do it.

Do you need to disable or mess with anything? Have your C1 OLED as the primary display. When it's turned off or the input is switched away, your 1440p monitor will become the only display.

What does dual booting buy you? Just create two user accounts and disable the startup of any apps you don't need for gaming. You can then picked which one to load into and get your office tools or gaming.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Do you need to disable or mess with anything? Have your C1 OLED as the primary display. When it's turned off or the input is switched away, your 1440p monitor will become the only display.

What does dual booting buy you? Just create two user accounts and disable the startup of any apps you don't need for gaming. You can then picked which one to load into and get your office tools or gaming.

This PC will primarily serve as a gaming living room PC. I want to do as few tasks that require a keyboard as possible when sitting on my ass on the couch. I want as lean an OS as possible for gaming. I want to hit the power button and end up right in Big Picture mode so I can start gaming. No log ins. No nothing. having multiple accounts would require me to sign in. Pretty much the only thing that would be installed are drivers and game launchers.

I also would like a second OS for more work related task if needed,

 

[rodrigolfp]

This PC will primarily serve as a gaming living room PC. I want to do as few tasks that require a keyboard as possible when sitting on my ass on the couch. I want as lean an OS as possible for gaming. I want to hit the power button and end up right in Big Picture mode so I can start gaming. No log ins. No nothing. having multiple accounts would require me to sign in. Pretty much the only thing that would be installed are drivers and game launchers.

I also would like a second OS for more work related task if needed,

No logins but with dual boot you will have to use a keyboard to choose the OS anyway. Plus Windows 11 over 10 for "Auto HDR".

Work stuff can be on same user/login and will not mess with the gaming stuff if you don't let anything boot with Windows and only open them all manually when needed.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

No logins but with dual boot you will have to use a keyboard to choose the OS anyway. Plus Windows 11 over 10 for "Auto HDR".

Or a simple timeout that automatically picks the gaming reserved OS?

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

Most people would never know it wasn't 444. You can tell its not 444 if you know exactly what to look for, but when sitting on a couch about 10 feet from a 65 inch OLED, you really can't tell.

sure but "most people" arent using your pc, so who cares what they think--it's set up for you, not them.
if you cant tell, no need to worry about it then.

on my OLED, i have to set my wii u input to "pc mode" to get 444, otherwise some fine detail is missing.

 

[SScorpio]

This PC will primarily serve as a gaming living room PC. I want to do as few tasks that require a keyboard as possible when sitting on my ass on the couch. I want as lean an OS as possible for gaming. I want to hit the power button and end up right in Big Picture mode so I can start gaming. No log ins. No nothing. having multiple accounts would require me to sign in. Pretty much the only thing that would be installed are drivers and game launchers.

I also would like a second OS for more work related task if needed,

No it doesn't. You can have multiple accounts and configure one of them to automatically log in. So set it up to load into the gaming account, which loads Steam Big Picture mode.

When you are at your desk, simply switch over to your work account. At some point you need to tell it you want gaming or office.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

sure but "most people" arent using your pc, so who cares what they think--it's set up for you, not them.
if you cant tell, no need to worry about it then.

on my OLED, i have to set my wii u input to "pc mode" to get 444, otherwise some fine detail is missing.

I have played around over and over and I am shocked at how little difference there is between 8-bit 420 (Linux/Bazzite) and 10-bit 444 (Windows 11).

I am legit wondering if my LG OLED is doing some processing that hides banding or if some sort of color processing is going on the game.

The game I am playing is Assassins Creed Origins, a game with a lot of sky.
And yes, I have checked on the remote and it confirms that signals are correct.

Maybe I have magic eyes that can hide the differences. Maybe my LG C1 OLED is lying to me and it's not really displaying 444.....or do games do processing that hides these differences.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

No it doesn't. You can have multiple accounts and configure one of them to automatically log in. So set it up to load into the gaming account, which loads Steam Big Picture mode.

When you are at your desk, simply switch over to your work account. At some point you need to tell it you want gaming or office.

Naw, I'd rather do two. I am not arguing that your method isn't sufficient (or even smarter), but Id rather the two OSes be completely separate.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Or a simple timeout that automatically picks the gaming reserved OS?

Well, OP said about picking a keyboard at minimum possible so if this doesn't include when choosing the "work" OS, yes.

 

[SpokkX]

Use Windows 11 and go with Playnite as your front end. Playnite requires some tinkering but is an INCREDIBLE console UI experience once you get it configured.

is it better than steam big picture? that is what i use

gaming on a a big screen tv with a 5080 and 9800X3D is just sublime but there are annoyances such as having to see windows popup before big picutre starts etc

 

[Guardian Monkey]

I have played around over and over and I am shocked at how little difference there is between 8-bit 420 (Linux/Bazzite) and 10-bit 444 (Windows 11).

I am legit wondering if my LG OLED is doing some processing that hides banding or if some sort of color processing is going on the game.

The game I am playing is Assassins Creed Origins, a game with a lot of sky.
And yes, I have checked on the remote and it confirms that signals are correct.

Maybe I have magic eyes that can hide the differences. Maybe my LG C1 OLED is lying to me and it's not really displaying 444.....or do games do processing that hides these differences.

With 4:2:0 you aren’t using HDR and while gaming may be ok, your going to get ghosting on text.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

With 4:2:0 you aren’t using HDR and while gaming may be ok, your going to get ghosting on text.

Its getting HDR. It says in the signal and the in the game.

Like I've said, I can play the game in bazzite at 8-bit 420 and in Windows with 10-bit 444.

There are reasons why there may be a little visual difference.

1. It could be that the game itself doesn't really use colors in a way that makes the differences obvious.
2. It could be the OLED itself applies a filter to minimize the banding, eventhough the smooth gradient setting is whited out in game mode.

On another note, on my desktop monitor I absolutely do notice differences in text when switching between 422 and 444.

 

[Celcius]

Lately I'm thinking about cancelling my plans for a second PC hooked up to the living room TV...
1. I kinda like the idea of my one PC being able to just do everything and not having separate PCs for separate purposes and maintaining multiple PCs. (driver updates, tech issues, etc... ). Like if I'm done browsing the web and want to game, just opening a different app rather than needing to then go to a different room and boot up a whole separate PC.
2. My PS5 (and hopefully Switch 2) can already handle watching vids, movies, anime/shows, etc... in the living room.
3. Not maintaining dual PCs means it's easier to just spend more money on the one PC. Plus if I went the dual PC route then my powerful PC would be in the living room and actually unused most of the time while my older PC would be the one that I'd be daily driving.
4. Mouse and keyboard gaming is just more comfortable at a desk, period.

Anyone else have similar thinking?

 

[analog_future]

is it better than steam big picture? that is what i use

gaming on a a big screen tv with a 5080 and 9800X3D is just sublime but there are annoyances such as having to see windows popup before big picutre starts etc

If you’re playing games that aren’t on Steam or emulated games, 100% yes.

 

[SScorpio]

2. My PS5 (and hopefully Switch 2) can already handle watching vids, movies, anime/shows, etc... in the living room.

Anyone else have similar thinking?

Running a console to watch stuff is massive overkill. Use a streaming device and it will consume much less power, you can then install Moonlight on to it and try streaming from your main PC to play games.

 

[David B]

Windows 11, 10 both suck. Freezes random every hour, errors happen, crashes happen. I ran my Lenovo legion PC for a month. Did normal shut downs. But gaming or not, Xbox app freezes, steam freezes, games never launch when hit play, downloaded but no play. Errors, freezes, crashes, blue screen errors, it just kept happening every hour. I have 32GB of ram, Intel i7 14400, Nvidia 4070 super 16GB GDDR5, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD. Why the constant problems? Macs never give me problems.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Windows 11, 10 both suck. Freezes random every hour, errors happen, crashes happen. I ran my Lenovo legion PC for a month. Did normal shut downs. But gaming or not, Xbox app freezes, steam freezes, games never launch when hit play, downloaded but no play. Errors, freezes, crashes, blue screen errors, it just kept happening every hour. I have 32GB of ram, Intel i7 14400, Nvidia 4070 super 16GB GDDR5, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD. Why the constant problems? Macs never give me problems.

Something is very fucked in your PC.

 

[David B]

Something is very fucked in your PC.

I make sure to run basic and not over charge in Lenovo PC settings as well. So it's odd. First 2 weeks no problems and then bang random freezes

 

[Fess]

Windows 11, 10 both suck. Freezes random every hour, errors happen, crashes happen. I ran my Lenovo legion PC for a month. Did normal shut downs. But gaming or not, Xbox app freezes, steam freezes, games never launch when hit play, downloaded but no play. Errors, freezes, crashes, blue screen errors, it just kept happening every hour. I have 32GB of ram, Intel i7 14400, Nvidia 4070 super 16GB GDDR5, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD. Why the constant problems? Macs never give me problems.

That ain’t normal. Haven’t seen a blue screen in over a decade, didn’t think it even happened on newer Windows. And Stalker 2 on Steam had some freezes last year but otherwise nothing except when I tried to do overclocking many years ago.

Not experienced in Lenovo’s PCs, do they come with prebuild software?
And what games are you playing that freeze and crash every hour?
And no overclocking attempts?

Have you considered backing up your personal stuff and just wipe it clean? Could start over fresh and reinstall Windows. No prebuild bloatware, do a clean install and then make sure to not install anything you don’t need. Sounds like you have something on it now that add instability.

Trying to think about what you actually need going by my own PCs; Standard Windows install, sound card drivers if you have an external device, Nvidia app for graphics card drivers, Steam, Xbox app for Gamepass, Battle Net if you play Diablo, Epic’s launcher if you want free games. Don’t know what else. I also use Vortex for modding but not needed. I have some MSI software for RGB control too, but again not needed.
After that? Just games.

 

[moogman]

Windows 11, 10 both suck. Freezes random every hour, errors happen, crashes happen. I ran my Lenovo legion PC for a month. Did normal shut downs. But gaming or not, Xbox app freezes, steam freezes, games never launch when hit play, downloaded but no play. Errors, freezes, crashes, blue screen errors, it just kept happening every hour. I have 32GB of ram, Intel i7 14400, Nvidia 4070 super 16GB GDDR5, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD. Why the constant problems? Macs never give me problems.

I'd run a memory test, that's not normal at all.

 

[Guwop]

Windows 11, 10 both suck. Freezes random every hour, errors happen, crashes happen. I ran my Lenovo legion PC for a month. Did normal shut downs. But gaming or not, Xbox app freezes, steam freezes, games never launch when hit play, downloaded but no play. Errors, freezes, crashes, blue screen errors, it just kept happening every hour. I have 32GB of ram, Intel i7 14400, Nvidia 4070 super 16GB GDDR5, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD. Why the constant problems? Macs never give me problems.

I'm thinking its your CPU. The Intel 13th and 14th gen CPU's are known for having the issues you described.

 

[David B]

That ain’t normal. Haven’t seen a blue screen in over a decade, didn’t think it even happened on newer Windows. And Stalker 2 on Steam had some freezes last year but otherwise nothing except when I tried to do overclocking many years ago.

Not experienced in Lenovo’s PCs, do they come with prebuild software?
And what games are you playing that freeze and crash every hour?
And no overclocking attempts?

Have you considered backing up your personal stuff and just wipe it clean? Could start over fresh and reinstall Windows. No prebuild bloatware, do a clean install and then make sure to not install anything you don’t need. Sounds like you have something on it now that add instability.

Trying to think about what you actually need going by my own PCs; Standard Windows install, sound card drivers if you have an external device, Nvidia app for graphics card drivers, Steam, Xbox app for Gamepass, Battle Net if you play Diablo, Epic’s launcher if you want free games. Don’t know what else. I also use Vortex for modding but not needed. I have some MSI software for RGB control too, but again not needed.
After that? Just games.

I did a full re-download of Windows 11 on the main SSD. Takes about 2 hours, but I've done it. Didn't help. I've had the computer overall for about 5 months and every time I set it up I get these problems. I've reset the computer with fresh Windows 11 download about 3 times now. Still get the freezes and crashes. I don't know why or how. I'm not a hacker, I don't know about that stuff, like that DLL stuff and all that, I just know the letters to describe it. It just keeps giving errors. I've dealt with Windows problems forever and ever. I'm just done with Microsoft.

 

[moogman]

I did a full re-download of Windows 11 on the main SSD. Takes about 2 hours, but I've done it. Didn't help. I've had the computer overall for about 5 months and every time I set it up I get these problems. I've reset the computer with fresh Windows 11 download about 3 times now. Still get the freezes and crashes. I don't know why or how. I'm not a hacker, I don't know about that stuff, like that DLL stuff and all that, I just know the letters to describe it. It just keeps giving errors. I've dealt with Windows problems forever and ever. I'm just done with Microsoft.

Did you download drivers for your model from the manufacturers website? That can sometimes make a difference and if the errors are DLL related it could be the issue.

Honestly, your problem might not be Windows though, it could be hardware. Memory and CPU issues can both cause seemingly random errors and the former is pretty easy to diagnose with the Windows 11 memory diagnostic tool.

 

[David B]

Did you download drivers for your model from the manufacturers website? That can sometimes make a difference and if the errors are DLL related it could be the issue.

Honestly, your problem might not be Windows though, it could be hardware. Memory and CPU issues can both cause seemingly random errors and the former is pretty easy to diagnose with the Windows 11 memory diagnostic tool.

I have downloaded all updates for Windows 11. I downloaded the Nvidia automatic update installer and adjusted my GPU no problem to the full 165 Hz Dell monitor I have with 1440p. I downloaded drivers for my specific PC at Lenovo, proper downloads for it. I don't know anymore. I tried and tried and installed a lot of stuff and I know fixes and all that. But still errors and freezes and crashes and the blue screen came up for me and even just one time a DirectX error came up when I tried to run Gears 5 from Steam once. I was like huh? I've never ever had a DirectX error before. But anyway I dealt with Windows problems over and over and over it's just too much for all the downloads and fixes I tried and nothing really fixes it to stop the errors and freezes I got.

 

[Fess]

I did a full re-download of Windows 11 on the main SSD. Takes about 2 hours, but I've done it. Didn't help. I've had the computer overall for about 5 months and every time I set it up I get these problems. I've reset the computer with fresh Windows 11 download about 3 times now. Still get the freezes and crashes. I don't know why or how. I'm not a hacker, I don't know about that stuff, like that DLL stuff and all that, I just know the letters to describe it. It just keeps giving errors. I've dealt with Windows problems forever and ever. I'm just done with Microsoft.

I understand the frustration but this level of instability isn’t coming from Windows on a clean install. Could possibly be drivers or if there are some Armoury Crate-like motherboard software hijacking everything and fiddling with bios etc. But as the posters above says start by running a memory diag. Easy test, and a cheap fix if it show something. Not familiar with CPU issues besides freezing when overclocking, but you could run Cinebench for a stability check. Could check your temps too while doing that.

 

[Schmendrick]

Edit: old stuff

 

[Schmendrick]

Windows 11, 10 both suck. Freezes random every hour, errors happen, crashes happen. I ran my Lenovo legion PC for a month. Did normal shut downs. But gaming or not, Xbox app freezes, steam freezes, games never launch when hit play, downloaded but no play. Errors, freezes, crashes, blue screen errors, it just kept happening every hour. I have 32GB of ram, Intel i7 14400, Nvidia 4070 super 16GB GDDR5, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD. Why the constant problems? Macs never give me problems.

Sounds like the a hardware issue. Random instabilities would usually point to the RAM/MB or CPU.
Absolutely not normal by any means.

 

[twilo99]

Where did you get that wrist support from?

 

[ReBurn]

Why the constant problems?

Sounds like a skill issue.

 

[David B]

Sounds like a skill issue.

Nah, just more proof that Microsoft doesn't care. PC or Xbox. It doesn't matter. I've gotten over 50 errors on Windows 11 now and some odd freezes on Xbox Series X. Which is why Microsoft won't be a part of my life anymore. Only Mac after all the errors and freezes and constant problems. Oh and PlayStations.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Nah, just more proof that Microsoft doesn't care. PC or Xbox. It doesn't matter. I've gotten over 50 errors on Windows 11 now and some odd freezes on Xbox Series X. Which is why Microsoft won't be a part of my life anymore. Only Mac after all the errors and freezes and constant problems. Oh and PlayStations.

If it was a MS doesn't care problem it would be a wide spread thing. It's just you having 50 errors. Currently I have zero.

 

[OverHeat]

Nah, just more proof that Microsoft doesn't care. PC or Xbox. It doesn't matter. I've gotten over 50 errors on Windows 11 now and some odd freezes on Xbox Series X. Which is why Microsoft won't be a part of my life anymore. Only Mac after all the errors and freezes and constant problems. Oh and PlayStations.

Tag check out

 

[JohnnyFootball]

What I did this weekend:

I installed Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC as my gaming OS on my living room PC. Installed Steam, other Launchers, drivers, Xbox app, Dolby Access, set it to boot automatically with no password, boots into Steam big picture mode. Nothing else. I have a similar experience with bazzite and games run pretty well. Although Frame Generation seems ot hurt performance more than helps. I am wondering if that is because of Windows 10. I may consider Windows 11 LSTC as it does have better HDR control and early buzz on Windows 11 LSTC is pretty good and many games/features may need it.

Some issues:
1. Every time I open Ubisoft Connect I get the "Windows needs your permission for this app to make changes" That is legit pissing me off and interupts a smooth experience getting into Steam Big picture Mode
2. When I exit a Steam game it the interface will often take up only 1 3rd of the screen. Doesn't affect performance, but still it kills the console immersion

I also installed WIndows 11 as my secondary OS and I'd like to create a batch file that I can click on my desktop so that the system will boot into Windows 11 from Windows 10 enterprise. Right now I have to sit in front of the computer and wait to pick the OS to boot into otherwise it will default to Windows 10/SteamBPM. Not a HUGE deal, but it would enable me to immediately load into Windows 11 sitting on my ass.

 

[Schmendrick]

Nah, just more proof that Microsoft doesn't care. PC or Xbox. It doesn't matter. I've gotten over 50 errors on Windows 11 now and some odd freezes on Xbox Series X. Which is why Microsoft won't be a part of my life anymore. Only Mac after all the errors and freezes and constant problems. Oh and PlayStations.

 

[G-DannY]

just do a Chris Titus MicroWin iso of Windows 11 and call it a day

 

[rodrigolfp]

1. Every time I open Ubisoft Connect I get the "Windows needs your permission for this app to make changes" That is legit pissing me off and interupts a smooth experience getting into Steam Big picture Mode

Should not do this unless it needs update itself or the exe is market as always run as admin.

2. When I exit a Steam game it the interface will often take up only 1 3rd of the screen. Doesn't affect performance, but still it kills the console immersion

Should not do this in Big Picture mode but in desktop mode it can do this if the game native resolution is different from the desktop resolution.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Should not do this unless it needs update itself or the exe is market as always run as admin.

Should not do this in Big Picture mode but in desktop mode it can do this if the game native resolution is different from the desktop resolution.

I will probably give admin rights to Ubisoft Connect...hate doing that, but that popup is really fucking annoying.
Games run at 4K and desktop is set to 4K. no idea why. Not a big deal, but I can easily fix it by exiting BPM and reenabling it.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I will probably give admin rights to Ubisoft Connect...hate doing that, but that popup is really fucking annoying.

I recommend not to do that and to make sure is not already marked as to run as admin. You will only be asked when it's really needed.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I recommend not to do that and to make sure is not already marked as to run as admin. You will only be asked when it's really needed.

Many Steam games require it and it activates when I boot the PC. So I get the message every time I enter Windows....pisses me off.

 

[Wolzard]

Get one of these..

Im looking for something like this:

It's way too hard to get one that really works well. They are all cheap junk. It's used just for the browser and navigating desktop. Have a good one now and it's all I need. Ready to replace mine, though and I can't buy it lol.

I use this Logitech keyboard with built-in touchpad (K400S). It's small, light and works perfectly. I keep it in the drawer of the TV stand, along with the Xbox controllers.

 

[moogman]

I use this Logitech keyboard with built-in touchpad (K400S). It's small, light and works perfectly. I keep it in the drawer of the TV stand, along with the Xbox controllers.

The K400S is a great little keyboard and I use it for my living room PC when something does need typing. Small enough to fit in the TV cabinet and a lot better keyboard than it should be for the price and size.