afreaknamedpete
Member
Did they really want to release this game with a PR shitstorm?
A note about Persona 5 Streaming From Atlus
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Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Wow seriously what's the main issue Japanese​ companies have with this subject? Why do they seem so adverse to the concept of Internet media?
TetraGenesis
Member
It's just... it's hilarious that the public has been issued an indefinite embargo. What a joke.
The streaming is one thing, but why block video and screenshots of the entire game? Why not just block the scenes and segments they mentioned? The fact I'm having to take photos of my screen just to show how funny it is when characters address me as Nick Hentai is ridiculous. I'm trying to share the love for your game, Atlus. So backwards. It's ridiculous.
The streaming is one thing, but why block video and screenshots of the entire game? Why not just block the scenes and segments they mentioned? The fact I'm having to take photos of my screen just to show how funny it is when characters address me as Nick Hentai is ridiculous. I'm trying to share the love for your game, Atlus. So backwards. It's ridiculous.
That is why i said that we are kinda in the grey area. Game is not same thing as a movie or music. It is not same experience so public displaying is not the same as for movie for example.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Velcro Fly
Member
This is so silly. Are the going to take me to court if I spoil the game for others in real life after playing it? Describe in vivid detail the plot summary to someone? I'm sure they would if they could prove it. They are basically trying to embargo forever a video game that has released.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
You realise they even blocked taking screenshots right? No one in this thread is trying to stream the game for profit
SmiteOfHand
Member
This feels like a topic streamers and LPers have hoped would just go as long as possible without ever being addressed. The reality of the situation is publishers are under no obligation to allow people to stream the entirety of their games. It has become the norm simply because it can be construed as marketing. Compare this to how other broadcast mediums have to deal with this stuff and it is practically lawless what goes on at Twitch and YouTube.
No, but seriously, take a moment to listen to Rob and Patricia Schneider talk about all the insane hoops they have to jump through for making a TV show compared to what a YouTube show like GameGrumps goes through to show potentially hundreds of hours of a game.
I'm not advocating for tons of restrictions here, believe me I love that I can watch a full playthrough of basically anything out there. But I'm not going to shout fuck you Atlus because they want a little more control than what is currently happening. They've gone about it poorly, no doubt, but it is a very long overdo conversation. There is clearly some middle ground that can be found here that doesn't need the extreme hyperbole, boycotts, or sky is falling sort of response that is being seen.
No, but seriously, take a moment to listen to Rob and Patricia Schneider talk about all the insane hoops they have to jump through for making a TV show compared to what a YouTube show like GameGrumps goes through to show potentially hundreds of hours of a game.
I'm not advocating for tons of restrictions here, believe me I love that I can watch a full playthrough of basically anything out there. But I'm not going to shout fuck you Atlus because they want a little more control than what is currently happening. They've gone about it poorly, no doubt, but it is a very long overdo conversation. There is clearly some middle ground that can be found here that doesn't need the extreme hyperbole, boycotts, or sky is falling sort of response that is being seen.
franklyshankly
Member
It's not quite the same, no. But what if you stream all 100 hours of a heavily story driven game? That is certainly a substantial portion of the copyrighted work. This is an open question at this point, I don't think any court has yet addressed it.
Frozenprince
Banned
I was looking forward to the best friends or easy allies streaming this or doing a play through too.
How long is this for anyway? Is it in perpetuity? Is it for six months post release?
The fact that people have already streamed the entire game just in Japanese but suddenly now it's an issue continues to perplex me.
How long is this for anyway? Is it in perpetuity? Is it for six months post release?
The fact that people have already streamed the entire game just in Japanese but suddenly now it's an issue continues to perplex me.
No, but people are defending the people who want to stream the game for profit.
I think blocking the streaming and screenshot features is the very height of stupidity, but I think they're within their rights to say "please don't stream these parts of the game". Even if said request will ultimately be futile etc.
I'm just saying that no one has the right to be allowed stream said material.
Good post. Why people think that IP rights shouldn't apply to video games as a whole is beyond me... but companies appear to have let this impression develop in the race for free marketing.
They want a little more control = "YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED"
Insane.
TetraGenesis
Member
Madness.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That release practically screams "it's AtlusJP don't blame us"
Frozenprince
Banned
It just reads as odd to me since they had no issue with this for six months until this version came out.
I mean I played my version of the Japanese copy and they REMOVED the ability to stream certain sections.
It's utterly bizarre.
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
I don't know why this is an issue at all. Are people just complaining for the sake of complaining? What does it matter?
Velcro Fly
Member
Gets into that territory of "what is the statute of limitations of a spoiler"
As a former GameFAQs moderator, I've literally deleted unmarked Final Fantasy VII spoilers that everyone knows because over there any unmarked spoiler for anything ever had to go.
I can't see them keeping this up forever. They just want to drive sales as much as possible on this game first. That is all it is.
Yeah, I agree that their entire approach is strange and tone-deaf, I just think that they clearly have the right to do it.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
lol (I HIGHLY RECOMMEND NOT DOING THIS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED) is not "please don't stream these parts of the game" Save the quote marks for things they actually said
Frozenprince
Banned
Which is stupid. The game isn't getting a big marketing push really, but somebody like Lirik streaming it would signal boost it quite hard.
Just feels like they have no idea what to do with it.
Velcro Fly
Member
Well they definitely took the nuclear option threatening channel strikes and stuff like that.
Wow, this sounds pretty bad. Not sure how they consider it justifiable, from what I read in the OP.
Good example of why game companies should have 0 say in how a game can be streamed post release, and should have 0 control over the screenshot/video save features on consoles (at least for local screens/recordings).
Good example of why game companies should have 0 say in how a game can be streamed post release, and should have 0 control over the screenshot/video save features on consoles (at least for local screens/recordings).
Incredibly short sighted and stupid.
I personally would NEVER have humored the idea of playing a Persona game until I watched the Giant Bomb Endurance Run of Persona 4 years and years ago. Even when it first started for the first handful of episodes I thought it was going to be an experience of laughing AT the game instead of with it, and I was proven completely wrong. I fell in love with it and had a blast watching the whole thing. Then I went out and bought copies of Persona 3 and 4 and played through them for myself and had a blast for 200+ hours.
Thinking that every viewer is a lost sale just because it's a linear, story-based game is... it's just disappointing that there are people out there that still think this way. How do you even get thru to people that think like this? Getting outraged at their ignorance and boycotting the game doesn't help. They can just look at sagging sales and correlate it to the fact that it was streamed against their wishes.
Atlus isn't going to be able to stop the streams. I imagine at best they can file take down notices for VODs and let's play videos on youtube, which is a shame. This is already a PR disaster for them. I can't imagine how bad it will be if they follow thru on these threats.
Fans streaming your game aren't "spoiling" it for viewers and robbing you of sales. They're your strongest advocates and more powerful than bought marketing.
I personally would NEVER have humored the idea of playing a Persona game until I watched the Giant Bomb Endurance Run of Persona 4 years and years ago. Even when it first started for the first handful of episodes I thought it was going to be an experience of laughing AT the game instead of with it, and I was proven completely wrong. I fell in love with it and had a blast watching the whole thing. Then I went out and bought copies of Persona 3 and 4 and played through them for myself and had a blast for 200+ hours.
Thinking that every viewer is a lost sale just because it's a linear, story-based game is... it's just disappointing that there are people out there that still think this way. How do you even get thru to people that think like this? Getting outraged at their ignorance and boycotting the game doesn't help. They can just look at sagging sales and correlate it to the fact that it was streamed against their wishes.
Atlus isn't going to be able to stop the streams. I imagine at best they can file take down notices for VODs and let's play videos on youtube, which is a shame. This is already a PR disaster for them. I can't imagine how bad it will be if they follow thru on these threats.
Fans streaming your game aren't "spoiling" it for viewers and robbing you of sales. They're your strongest advocates and more powerful than bought marketing.
The Super Best Friend's just announced on Twitter their LP is cancelled. They have 500k potential eyes that now won't see them basically give Atlus free advertising.
Whaaaat.
Frozenprince
Banned
Damn that's super depressing.
I wanted to see the continued adventure of Kenpachi Ramasama.
You're asking why threatening people because they do something with their legally bought game is an issue?
Limiting visibility and/or negative publicity seems like a surefire way to drive sales.
No, Atlus deserves the response they're getting (in this thread). They hit an extreme, they get backlash. Nobody else is doing this. Not even Nintendo. There is no justification. Even legally it is a grey area regarding performance.
lord_of_flood
Member
Wow, that's some real fuckery right there, and it's basically impossible to defend it. Crazy what the DMCA allows publishers to do, and even more so that Atlus JP was willing to cross this line. I don't think any other publisher has gone that far, not even Nintendo.
Yikes.
Zeouterlimits
Member
They're nuts.
I can only imagine this was fed back to JPN and they just.. don't get it?
It's bonkers. It's beyond bonkers.
Also yeah - thanks for all the bloody spoilers, even if I only skipped my eyes over it.
Guess they really didn't like the Endurance Run then? Christ.
I can only imagine this was fed back to JPN and they just.. don't get it?
It's bonkers. It's beyond bonkers.
Also yeah - thanks for all the bloody spoilers, even if I only skipped my eyes over it.
Guess they really didn't like the Endurance Run then? Christ.
That is nuts
Vital Tundra
Member
It would be different if it was just a monetization issue, because that is a gray area and publishers currently have that right (although its wrong in my opinion). But when you threaten channels with strikes that can get your channel shut down, thats a fucking issue. Its messed up, and Atlus should get the full force of shit coming their way.
piratepwnsninja
Member
A theater troupe should stream a re-enactment of the narrative.
bemusedchunk
Banned
Atlus is LITERALLY taking food out of these peoples mouths.
It isn't? What's the difference, because I don't see one.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
You can't be serious. One is a threat and one is a request. You're not being honest to try and pretend they are the same thing
Same, I would've loved to see just a one off.
And you know they were just gonna gush over it the entire time.
It is kinda hard to make a law or rules regarding issues like this. For movies and music genres don't mater, for games they do mater a lot. That means that decisions would be needed to be made on per game basis. Then you have argument that people who would watch whole game would never buy game in the first place, and then you have argument that if people want to watch your game instead of play it you are kinda selling movie not a game.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
I feel like this is a trend with Japanese RPG developers in particular. I know Square was really heavy handed in doing takedowns, even on non monetized videos, of scenes from the Birth By Sleep re-release. For Smash, Sakurai even admitted he wouldn't do another Subspace Emissary styled Adventure Mode because he was bothered that videos of it got uploaded online.
It's a really outdated way of thinking, but there you go.
It's a really outdated way of thinking, but there you go.
franklyshankly
Member
Atlus isn't actually worried about spoilers. That's just a PR cover.
I actually think it's more likely a copyright violation than not, regardless of the game involved. The characters, art, music, story, dialog, etc. is all copyrighted work. Just because someone is watching it rather than playing it doesn't invalidate any of that. You don't need to share the entirety of a copyrighted work to infringe, you can infringe by sharing a small part of a work.