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AAA calls on US government to suspend E15 gasoline sales

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Limedust

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New E15 Gasoline May Damage Vehicles and Cause Consumer Confusion

AAA research reveals need for regulators and industry to suspend E15 sales to protect motorists

ORLANDO, Fla., Nov. 30, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A recent survey by AAA finds a strong likelihood of consumer confusion and the potential for voided warranties and vehicle damage as a result of the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) recent approval of E15 gasoline. An overwhelming 95 percent of consumers surveyed have not heard of E15, a newly approved gasoline blend that contains up to 15 percent ethanol. With little consumer knowledge about E15 and less than five percent of cars on the road approved by automakers to use the fuel, AAA is urging regulators and the industry to stop the sale of E15 until motorists are better protected.

Only about 12 million out of the more than 240 million light-duty vehicles on the roads today are approved by manufacturers to use E15 gasoline, based on a survey conducted by AAA of auto manufacturers. AAA automotive engineering experts also have reviewed the available research and believe that sustained use of E15 in both newer and older vehicles could result in significant problems such as accelerated engine wear and failure, fuel-system damage and false "check engine" lights for any vehicle not approved by its manufacturer to use E15.

"It is clear that millions of Americans are unfamiliar with E15, which means there is a strong possibility that many motorists may improperly fill up using this gasoline and damage their vehicle," said AAA President & CEO Robert Darbelnet. "Bringing E15 to the market without adequate safeguards does not responsibly meet the needs of consumers."

Unsuspecting consumers using E15 could end up with engine problems that might not be covered by their vehicles' warranties. Five manufacturers (BMW, Chrysler, Nissan, Toyota and Volkswagen) are on record saying their warranties will not cover fuel-related claims caused by the use of E15. Eight additional automakers (GM, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz and Volvo) have stated that the use of E15 does not comply with the fuel requirements specified in their owner's manuals and may void warranty coverage.

The only vehicles currently approved by automakers to use E15 are flex-fuel models, 2001 model-year and newer Porsches, 2012 model-year and newer GM vehicles and 2013 model-year Ford vehicles. These approvals extend only to cars, light-duty trucks and medium-duty passenger vehicles (SUVs). The use of E15 is expressly prohibited in heavy-duty vehicles, boats, motorcycles, power equipment, lawn mowers and off-road vehicles.

"The sale and use of E15 should be suspended until additional gas pump labeling and consumer education efforts are implemented to mitigate problems for motorists and their vehicles," continued Darbelnet. "Consumers should carefully read pump labels and know their auto manufacturer's recommendations to help prevent any problems from E15."

AAA urges fuel producers and regulators to do a better job of educating consumers about potential dangers before selling E15 gasoline. This outreach should include a consumer education campaign and more effective pump labels, among other potential safeguards to protect consumers and their vehicles. AAA also recommends additional testing to conclusively determine the impact of E15 use on vehicle engines and fuel system components. At least ten gas stations currently sell E15 and that number is expected to grow, which means now is the time to suspend sales before more retailers begin offering the fuel.

The EPA in June officially approved the sale of E15 after receiving a waiver request from producers interested in expanding the use of corn-based ethanol. Despite objections by auto manufacturers, the EPA approved the use of E15 gasoline in flex-fuel vehicles and 2001 model year and newer cars, light-duty trucks and medium-duty passenger vehicles and SUVs. AAA urges consumers to follow the recommendations of manufacturers to truly protect themselves from voided warranties or potential damage.

AAA supports the development and use of alternative fuels. More than 95 percent of the gasoline sold in the United States contains up to 10 percent ethanol. Lower ethanol blends should remain available to consumers while the challenges with E15 are addressed.

The survey findings related to consumer knowledge of E15 are from a telephone survey conducted among a national probability sample of 1,012 adults comprising 504 men and 508 women 18 years of age and older, living in private households in the continental United States.

As North America's largest motoring and leisure travel organization, AAA provides more than 53 million members with travel, insurance, financial and automotive-related services. Since its founding in 1902, the not-for-profit, fully tax-paying AAA has been a leader and advocate for the safety and security of all travelers. AAA clubs can be visited on the Internet at AAA.com.
 

Kwhit10

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I have never even come across an E15 pump.

edit- I could of also sworn I've seen flexfuel emblems on GM cars for like 5 years now.

edit2 - Oh I guess they were never officially approved.
 

Pagusas

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I have never even come across an E15 pump.

edit- I could of also sworn I've seen flexfuel emblems on GM cars for like 5 years now.

We have them at every gas station in my town. But they are well marked and specifically say "do not use in unapproved vehicals". And when you start selecting your fuel grade it gives you an additional confirmation screen you have to press to activate the pump, warning you you risk damage to your car if its not made for it. I really don't see the problem.
 

Dali

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I have never even come across an E15 pump.

edit- I could of also sworn I've seen flexfuel emblems on GM cars for like 5 years now.

edit2 - Oh I guess they were never officially approved.

IIRC I think i've seen them on Fords (sepcifcally Rangers) since the late 90's
 

Limedust

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Some of you guys are confusing E15 for E85. E15 is a new mix being pushed by the EPA for non-flex fuel vehicles.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Ethanol in its current usage is completely stupid anyway.

Hardly any net energy gain, if at all.

Hardly carbon neutral, if at all.

Corrosive.

Energy inefficient.

Consumes our food, skewing prices, makes food more expensive.

Heavily subsidized, so is vulnerable to lobbying and corruption.
 
So ethanol is just a huge, stupid, costly debacle.

Pretty much, unless you're a corn farmer.

This is why I am sort of sympathetic to the people who say "the science isn't settled." Ethanol and some other fuel alternatives were billed as saviors by a lot of people and they are really just doing more damage than good. Any approach taken to reduce emissions needs a lot more research than its been getting currently. Unfortunately there seems to be little will to spend the money to do so.
 

injurai

Banned
So ethanol is just a huge, stupid, costly debacle.

Yup, nothing good will come out of using Ethanol. It puts huge strains one the food industry and chemical companies for pesticides. The immense amount of other industries that have to get wrapped up in the issue compared to what the fossil fuel industry involves is immense.

Really ethanol is just bad no matter how you look at it, and their is no reason to invest in an equally bad fuel when we have better solutions to explore.
 
So ethanol is just a huge, stupid, costly debacle.

In america yes, In brazil, it's actually incredibly efficient, since the processes to manufacture it from cane sugar are more developed and efficient. It's part of the reason they are on track to become a net oil exporter by 2030 I believe.
 

diffusionx

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Ethanol in its current usage is completely stupid anyway.

Hardly any net energy gain, if at all.

Hardly carbon neutral, if at all.

Corrosive.

Energy inefficient.

Consumes our food, skewing prices, makes food more expensive.

Heavily subsidized, so is vulnerable to lobbying and corruption.

Agreed, but I think ethanol subsidies ran out a year or two ago.
 
In america yes, In brazil, it's actually incredibly efficient, since the processes to manufacture it from cane sugar are more developed and efficient. It's part of the reason they are on track to become a net oil exporter by 2030 I believe.

Brazil also does not experience freezing or near freezing temperatures at any point in the year. Ethanol in a gasoline blend can cause the fuel to become more viscous, which especially can become a problem near 0C/32F, as the blend becomes even more viscous.
 
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