baxter2231
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What if I told you that doing this and putting your company out of business you can get the biggest golden parachute ever and steal most the assets the company had? Would you change your mind then?
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Aetna CEO slams single payer healthcare, gets facts wrong about Canada
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LegendofJoe
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The next thing Sanders needs to do with regards to healthcare is put out a bill that will provide generous funding for job retraining programs for people that work in healthcare administration. For Medicare for all to have a chance of passing the regular people who work for the companies that will go out of business need to be taken care of.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
This company.
I was a temp worker but was able to get Aetna by spending about $200 a month through the agency. I got the flu and went to the urgent care. They only paid $10 of my $120 bill. They did help cover the cost of medicine, but the coverage is so bad I should have just not taken insurance altogether.
I was a temp worker but was able to get Aetna by spending about $200 a month through the agency. I got the flu and went to the urgent care. They only paid $10 of my $120 bill. They did help cover the cost of medicine, but the coverage is so bad I should have just not taken insurance altogether.
shira
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ElectricBanquet
Member
Yeah, he's not totally wrong that single-payer doesn't address all of the reasons that healthcare is so expensive in this country, but his conclusion that we should as a result abandon the idea of single-payer is terrible and self-serving.
All it really means is you can't reform health insurance and decide you've fixed the healthcare system. It would be a great start, but more work would need to be done after that.
Escape Goat
Member
Medications are costs.
legacyzero
Banned
Ohh looooooook, it's the "Bu-Bu- SOVIET UNION!?" argument lmao. I love how these fucks constantly omit that the top ten happiest nations in the world all have some form of Universal/Single Payer. And we aren't in the top ten.
COMMUNISM IS NOT SOCIALISM.
Oh damn. LOL Health Insurance is garbage and is a mistake.
COMMUNISM IS NOT SOCIALISM.
Oh damn. LOL Health Insurance is garbage and is a mistake.
RustyNails
Member
How much money did this dude made last year again?
Laevateinn
Member
The best argument for Single Payer is that companies like Aetna would go bankrupt.
That's a billboard headline right there.
That's a beautiful quote.
tearsintherain
Member
I mean its not a real big surprise, true single payer healthcare in the USA would more or less eliminate all these healthcare companies that sit in the middle between consumers paying bills and healthcare providers giving healthcare, taking their vig for doing the paperwork. Of course they will say or do anything to ensure it never passes, it would literally destroy them.
Makes me frightened to see how we'll have non-answers to the rise of precarity.
I mean, how long have wages been suppressed? Just the idea of mentioning this problem gets you boggled eye looks.
TheLaughingStock
Member
That makes him smart.
Aetna's about us:
If you can lead company that merely pretends to be committed to a healthier world, spew out alternative facts at conferences AND get paid the big bucks then that's a great gig folks.
Skellig Gra
Member
He did have one point I agree with. Just passing single payer will not fix anything. Cost controls are infinitely more important. This shit is outrageous before it even hits an insurance company.
that's like saying we should have job retraining for exxon mobile contractors or oil platform workers or coal miners for every job lost to clean energy legislation. Or in recent decades, every paper and mail job lost to every digital computer job.
I mean, we should right? That's an investment for the future. So yeah, i support what you propose, definitely.
The private market profiting off of people's health in the most basic senses does share an exceptionally large amount of the blame, in addition to the employer based system tied to that(where you are dependent on even having your job to even be eligible for health insurance). The other part of the equation is the inability of private insurance to cover things you critically need even if you are lucky enough to be able to afford it, because those for profits feel its too expensive for them to cover.
If we cut that out, just the fact that the goverment would not have a middle man in between them,doctors, hospitals and patients would save the US a ton of money. The fact that we're on track to spend by some estimates 49 trillion over the next 10 years, and something like conyers bill in the house would cost something like 32 trillion comes from savings associated with that.
After that is the absurdly high cost of prescription drugs, which is the fault of the pharma industry in most cases artificially jacking up their rates simply because there are no laws or regulations in place to stop that from happening in America and no cost controls.
The most pressing issue in America is that its not just full on right wing conservatives who don't like to talk about income inequality or inconvenient challenging of institutions. So its not even really a concerted effort against those right wingers that we can even claim to have in the debate about this.
We have politicians and media people out of the fox news bubble and out of the GOP bubble literally arguing that black people are not systemically poor because of "something something percentage rates" and so we should not be looked at as a group hit by systemic injustice that should be invested in. Anything to keep the status quo in this country in more ways than one. Its almost worse than the attempt at full on regression.
This is also partly what's cracking the democratic party into pieces, because some say that income inequality is not an important issue compared to identity politics, and some say they should both be focused on equally. It all feeds into a circle of what priorities should be discussed and which are most important. I personally say all of the above.
The kneecapping of the private monopoly is a huge part of the solution, and single payer does fix that part of the equation just fine.
The US pays double what other countries pay in regards to healthcare per person. The biggest difference between America and the rest of the world is having a bunch of powerful institutions dedicated to making money off of basic services like being able to go to a doctor at all and the US government directly subsidizing that inefficient system, leading to far greater cost.
Eliminating that by default is a cost control mechanism. Putting everyone into a huge risk pool with a huge amount of people paying into it via taxation would also be a significant cost control mechanism.
Well this guy is on the side of hating your neighbour with the headscarf/different skin tone/same sex partner. That is worth something right?
.Aww, where is that picture from!?
Will smith's son's new anime
hydragonwarrior
Member
So how many Republicans and (hopefully not but probably) Democrats is this guy propping up?
At the same time, I'd advise against sending hate-mail to said Dems right away. As scummy as this guy is, until a *lot* of rules are changed when it comes to campaigning, this guy will be necessary evil for a while. If all said Dems do not support him, his money will go elsewhere and it'll help Republicans more.
*OR*
DNC has financial support ready for democrats who are willing to give up support. Continue to keep this scummy CEO in the spotlight and hopefully affect their company in the long run.
It's sad how standing up for your principles can lead to financial risk, but that's the climate you got to play in...
At the same time, I'd advise against sending hate-mail to said Dems right away. As scummy as this guy is, until a *lot* of rules are changed when it comes to campaigning, this guy will be necessary evil for a while. If all said Dems do not support him, his money will go elsewhere and it'll help Republicans more.
*OR*
DNC has financial support ready for democrats who are willing to give up support. Continue to keep this scummy CEO in the spotlight and hopefully affect their company in the long run.
It's sad how standing up for your principles can lead to financial risk, but that's the climate you got to play in...
You don't prop up a corrupt and broken system as a necessary evil. It will never change if you do that, as the forces fighting against change don't ever just decide to stop. The south collapsed as it should have despite the house of cards it was built on top of.
Don't know if you're pulling my leg or not, but that is one cute scene
. Why, if Communism had spokespeople like him in the cold war? The west would be screwed and in eternal "D'awww...". Yep. Although to be fair the employees at these insurance companies and hospital admins are in for a rude awakening.
that's why we should have saftey nets and retraining programs to soften the blow for them
We need a net for all people, not some people.
The lack of a net makes any major change one of massive survival value. Our aversion from getting off of fossil fuels is always the loljobs argument. The same will literally come from truckers and labor unions as we automate, and the same argument will spawn from the medical industry if we really try to eliminate the middleman.
The lack of a floor, prior to working conditions, is actually the ground zero to many of these problems, in my eyes. Having no job means having no life, and thus for this psychologically absurd social notion, we've erected games of exploitation and greed that have to sustain themselves or it's as if we detonated physically invisible but socially powerful nuclear bombs in parts of our society.