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After 5 years, I'm switching back to PC from Mac
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thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Sorry by shop I mean workplace.
I was going to say, I just realized what you meant. Carry on!
I have never seen even one, nor can I find any examples of such a store on the internet. The whole idea of a "Linux store" is an oxymoron, it's free.
Linux it's free software, not (always) price-free. There exists some companies like Red Hat that sells their versions and support.
Sorry by shop I mean workplace.
Edit: Top of page? Linux ftw!
Depends the type of workplace.
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You're a Windows sys admin with a mac? Dear Lord man I don't even know what to say to that. How do you Powershell? All the tools all on a vm? What a waste of time you're making the right choice. Go 8.1 and never look back
TarpitCarnivore
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Sorry by shop I mean workplace.
Edit: Top of page? Linux ftw!
Finding a 100% linux work environment is probably going to be quite difficult.
I'll be switching back to windows as well next time I'll buy a computer - probably a Surface. Been on the platform for about 5 years as well.
I love the hardware, and there are plenty of brilliant, well thought out touches in the OS which I will miss. This, however, is not enough to mitigate my problems with the inbuilt mouse acceleration - probably the reason for lousy third party mouse/tablet drivers too, inconsistencies in remapping keyboard shortcuts (if any available for a particular function) and Finder not supporting alt+page up/down.
It has been an interesting ride but I realize now that it's just too much of a nuisance.
I love the hardware, and there are plenty of brilliant, well thought out touches in the OS which I will miss. This, however, is not enough to mitigate my problems with the inbuilt mouse acceleration - probably the reason for lousy third party mouse/tablet drivers too, inconsistencies in remapping keyboard shortcuts (if any available for a particular function) and Finder not supporting alt+page up/down.
It has been an interesting ride but I realize now that it's just too much of a nuisance.
Finding a 100% linux work environment is probably going to be quite difficult.
I blame EEs and Management.
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What you should do, though, is look at industry standards, i.e. AD, Sharepoint, etc, and make sure that your product works properly with them. At some point it's quite likely that an Apple user is going to come into contact with this stuff, and it's messy when it happens.
I'm not sure what AD is, and I've never used Sharepoint, but it looks like an enterprise or office-type product. Is that correct?
Macs never have and never will be aimed at or catered towards that market. Buying a Mac for use in an office or corporate environment is not a great idea.
What exactly about those products is messy on a Mac though, and why is that Apple's fault vs the developer? (in this case, I guess Microsoft) When I hear "industry standard", it's usually in reference to protocols and other "open" platforms, services, etc. I'm guessing AD and Sharepoint don't really fit that description...so how is Apple supposed to improve "support" for a Microsoft product? Are there some system-level APIs in OS X that are missing or not configured in a standard way, or something?
Have you tried SmoothMouse for this? Bettertouchtool would probably also help with your shortcut problems.I'll be switching back to windows as well next time I'll buy a computer - probably a Surface. Been on the platform for about 5 years as well.
I love the hardware, and there are plenty of brilliant, well thought out touches in the OS which I will miss. This, however, is not enough to mitigate my problems with the inbuilt mouse acceleration - probably the reason for lousy third party mouse/tablet drivers too, inconsistencies in remapping keyboard shortcuts (if any available for a particular function) and Finder not supporting alt+page up/down.
It has been an interesting ride but I realize now that it's just too much of a nuisance.
TarpitCarnivore
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I'm not sure what AD is, and I've never used Sharepoint, but it looks like an enterprise or office-type product. Is that correct?
Macs never have and never will be aimed at or catered towards that market. Buying a Mac for use in an office or corporate environment is not a great idea.
What exactly about those products is messy on a Mac though, and why is that Apple's fault vs the developer? (in this case, I guess Microsoft) When I hear "industry standard", it's usually in reference to protocols and other "open" platforms, services, etc. I'm guessing AD and Sharepoint don't really fit that description...so how is Apple supposed to improve "support" for a Microsoft product? Are there some system-level APIs in OS X that are missing or not configured in a standard way, or something?
AD == Active Directory and it's probably one of the most common and used account management systems for networks
"What exactly about those products is messy on a Mac though"
I'm guessing based on this statement and you're lack of understanding of Active Directory and Sharepoint you're not well taped into the enterprise computer market.
Mac's simply do not function well inside of a "pure" Windows managed environment. Being able to push out updates, login profiles, management, NETWORK SHARES FFS, is just messy on a mac. Often times they will required additional software or hardware on top of your existing environment.
"Macs never have and never will be aimed at or catered towards that market. Buying a Mac for use in an office or corporate environment is not a great idea."
Says you, but there are people who prefer working on a mac. My current company has a mixture of Macs and Windows machines, while also using Exchange and various other tools. You simply cannot dismiss a Mac for office environments.
Finding a 100% linux work environment is probably going to be quite difficult.
Probably. But 90% will suffice. If the rest are Mac that's okay. Just no more Windows in my dev environment. Please.
TarpitCarnivore
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Probably. But 90% will suffice. If the rest are Mac that's okay. Just no more Windows in my dev environment. Please.
Best places to look would be any VPS/hosting provider, software or start up company really.
Have you tried SmoothMouse for this? Bettertouchtool would probably also help with your shortcut problems.
Yep. It works great but for some reason, the mouse lags when the computer is under load, opening tabs etc.
Making a no acceleration curve in Controllermate is as close as I have come to perfect. Right now I use a tablet but for some reason, it has the same lag issues as I experienced with Smoothmouse.
The problems with shortcuts is for things that does not have a keyboard shortcut already so I don't know if bettertouchtool would support it.
I have trouble with assigning a key to the menu bar. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
Just switch to mac after 30 years of windows. I am a programmer and i was always scare that mac wont give me same capability of working environment. I was wrong. Not only it is the same. It is far better and faster. Terminal is one thing that you totally miss (my work use unix so it is quite a big deal). And trackpad... This is the mosy fluis OS I ever use. Seriously.
Never go back. I still keep my windows laptop for sone testing though since VM is awful.
Never go back. I still keep my windows laptop for sone testing though since VM is awful.
Power. Maybe external monitor. Maybe ethernet.
Such a hardship.
If you are using a docking station you are most definitely also using ethernet. You also forgot keyboard, mouse, audio and any external printer or usb devices. You'd also be having a hard time connecting more than 3 USB devices on a typical laptop, less for newer laptops and Apple ones in particular.
The docking station also adds capabilities you wouldn't otherwise have. I can connect 2x dvi monitors instead of just 1 vga one, I get an additional 6 usb ports and 1 or 2 esata ones.
Not sure why you try to keep downplaying the docking station, especially for work it's a huge benefit that you don't get with any of the apple laptops.
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I'm guessing based on this statement and you're lack of understanding of Active Directory and Sharepoint you're not well taped into the enterprise computer market.
Correct. Working in a corporate office or on enterprise software would be a last resort job for me. I can't stand the culture, work, etc. It's just not for me.
Being able to push out updates, login profiles, management, NETWORK SHARES FFS, is just messy on a mac. Often times they will required additional software or hardware on top of your existing environment.
I don't see why Apple should be adding support to OS X for updates pushed out over a Windows network, or Windows login profiles. It's not like you can seamlessly manage a Linux box either, right? The environment is going to be designed to work with Windows computers specifically...is there some universal/cross-platform standard for login profiles and OS updates pushed out over a network? (maybe there is...but that would seem strange to me)
The one thing you listed that is universal would be network shares, but OS X supports SMB and NFS just fine, at least in my experience
Says you, but there are people who prefer working on a mac. My current company has a mixture of Macs and Windows machines, while also using Exchange and various other tools. You simply cannot dismiss a Mac for office environments.
Well yeah, of course some people prefer Macs. I certainly do.
But I also don't expect a Mac to work flawlessly in a "'pure' Windows managed environment", or even a normal corporate environment. It's one of the tradeoffs of preferring Macs.
Marty Chinn
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But I also don't expect a Mac to work flawlessly in a "'pure' Windows managed environment", or even a normal corporate environment. It's one of the tradeoffs of preferring Macs.
I see Macs everywhere in businesses and corporate environments. It's almost to the point where it seems like they're the standard.
L4DANathan
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Welcome back to the world of the living, OP. Shake off the shackles of your oppressive, money-hungry overlords and join our world of living underneath a mountain that hasn't quite decided if it wants to cave in on itself yet.
If you are using a docking station you are most definitely also using ethernet. You also forgot keyboard, mouse, audio and any external printer or usb devices. You'd also be having a hard time connecting more than 3 USB devices on a typical laptop, less for newer laptops and Apple ones in particular.
The docking station also adds capabilities you wouldn't otherwise have. I can connect 2x dvi monitors instead of just 1 vga one, I get an additional 6 usb ports and 1 or 2 esata ones.
Not sure why you try to keep downplaying the docking station, especially for work it's a huge benefit that you don't get with any of the apple laptops.
Nobody have problems with the dock stations. They are really useful, nothing to say about that. Before getting a macbook I was thinking about getting a Surface 3 + Dock Station.
However, when the motivation is "less cable", pardon me if I laugh: it's on a desk, I don't care about cables, especially if getting a dock station prevents me to get a better laptop. A dock station have senses when it extend the potentiality of the laptop, like more monitors or esata ports.
This is what clicking the middle mouse button does for me on Windows 8.1.
Whaaat. I've got 8.1 and this doesn't happen.
I have to use macs at school and I hate OSX. Window management is terrible and cumbersome.
I used to think that as well until I started using mission control (virtual desktops), which make the OS 100x more practical to use. On the other hand, the OS could use the snap feature for sure.
I have to use macs at school and I hate OSX. Window management is terrible and cumbersome.
I hate using OSX with the Show Desktop and Mission Control shortcuts disabled. It's way, way better with those two activated. A school computer probably doesn't give you an option to change the defaults, though.
Perfect Cha0s
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I'm going to guess that your school is like mine, and they replaced the mouse with the crappy white plastic wired mouse? It's a pretty big downgrade from the magic mouse, which I would already say is kind of a meh experience. Gestures make a world of difference. Using an iMac without a trackpad or at least a magic mouse is severely gimping the user experience, IMO.I have to use macs at school and I hate OSX. Window management is terrible and cumbersome.
I went from seven years of Mac back to Windows this year. Gave my macbook pro to my brother and got a surface pro 3. Given the amount of work I have to do on the road the SP3 is a revelation. Some minor niggles aside I don't see myself ever going back.
How is Apple supposed to fix the fact that the last Office was released half a decade ago for Mac?More like Apple computers are not properly compatible with industry standards. AD, Office and Sharepoint all predate OSX, and as far as I am concerned it is Apple's responsibility to reach out and make sure OSX works with them, not the other way around. The world needs compatibility, you can't just alienate a large portion of your users because of incompatibilities with major software.
Microsoft are partly to blame as well, as Office for Mac is their product and it completely sucks.
Sir Abacus
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Finding a 100% linux work environment is probably going to be quite difficult.
My latest day job is supporting a few hundred RHEL users (god bless the fucker that wrote the Cadence suite) alongside a Windows corporate environment.
It's not fun.
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