Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Can't believe some of you didn't just google "snap windows mac" or something in all the years of thinking you wanted the snap feature.
After 5 years, I'm switching back to PC from Mac
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I would, but the retina display does not seem to transition well to the Windows world, things just don't look quite right.
You put your laptop on the docking station and turn it on and it's ready to go. Keeps cables out of the way too. Otherwise, would have to hook up 5 cables and unhook them every day. Can't imagine not having a docking station for a work laptop.
Well, as a developer, switching from Windows to OSX was one of the best choice I have ever had.
Macs are great for working... Don't really care about Office because I don't have a boring office job. Adobe Suite works great on it, it has lots of tools built into the OS (screen capture, image resizing). It's so much more stable and malware free, I'm glad I only put up with windows rarely anymore. Also, Parallels works pretty great for me.
U n i o n 0015
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I use both at work and home and it's all just...computers...to me. I don't have a preference either way. I miss some features while in OS X and some features while in Windows. I really wish Windows had Expose/Mission Control. I love being able to zoom out all my windows and pick the one I need. Waaay better than ALT+TAB. But then I love Windows' file system a lot more, and Office apps are far better and easier to use on Windows.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Sadly this is the case with any vertically integrated ecosystem. At lease the direction MS is going in is attempting to change (read: make it easier) this for people as part of the IT industries' BYOPC movement. Apple on the other hand never will.
exmachina64
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You know about clicking the middle mouse button, right?
U n i o n 0015
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No...my mouse doesn't have a middle mouse button. Detail this process for me.
Everybody missing snapping just needs to install BetterTouchTool
How can you not have a middle mouse button? Do you have a scroll wheel? Click it. Or go buy a new mouse
How can you not have a middle mouse button? Do you have a scroll wheel? Click it. Or go buy a new mouse
Tried Windows. Meh.
Tried Mac. Meh.
Tried Linux. Holy shit this is sweet.
Now whenever I go back to Windows I feel like throwing the computer against the wall. So slow and inefficient at simple tasks.
Now whenever I go back to Mac I feel like it's just watered down more expensive Linux with iThis, iThat, and iEverything. Kinda irks me.
Can't wait for the day I get a job in a full Linux shop.
Tried Mac. Meh.
Tried Linux. Holy shit this is sweet.
Now whenever I go back to Windows I feel like throwing the computer against the wall. So slow and inefficient at simple tasks.
Now whenever I go back to Mac I feel like it's just watered down more expensive Linux with iThis, iThat, and iEverything. Kinda irks me.
Can't wait for the day I get a job in a full Linux shop.
U n i o n 0015
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Clicking the mouse scroll wheel scrolls a webpage in a browser, and isn't configured to do anything in any other app. It doesn't zoom out all windows like Expose does.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
It's because of silly posts like this that you lost your mod privileges and had to change your username stowpumpkin. Get it together man!
Yea I don't know what he was talking about. I was just referring to the fact that you said you had no button.
I use my third button to open links straight into a new tab. I'm sure there's a program out there that can make it do expose. I have extra buttons on my logitech mouse to do that.
Marty Chinn
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What? Try power, two external monitors, ethernet, mouse, keyboad and if you work in dev, possibly dev hardware. That's not even factoring the other stuff I have plugged in. That's the bare minimum for working environment here and quite common with how I see other developers set up. Add in going in and out of meetings and bringing your laptop with you, what a pain to have to hook it up or unhook it all the time.
Battersea Power Station
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What is this post? What are you talking about?Macs have no place in a business that isnt graphic design or some shit. They use them in my office while i use a windows laptop. They constantly complain about the internet being slow and poor wifi connection, while i sit here with a stable, fast connection and a look on my face like
They are useless as work machines.
out0v0rder
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yeah the whole docking situation turned me off of a mac for work.
Apples solution is very easy, buy a mac pro.
Apples solution is very easy, buy a mac pro.
the better twin
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I have to use a Mac for work and there is so much hyperbole about "once you go Mac you never go back" it's unreal. Windows is so far ahead in terms of productivity it's unreal.
Firstly they're is no snap. Mac liked to dump program windows everywhere. They also have this policy across the file viewer where the default view is to show files and folders all over the place. The number of times I go into a folder and there are files on top of files is so frustrating. Also who wants to see a list of every file on their Mac when they open file explorer? Windows jump lists and peek views are much more useful than the mac dock which is a bit of an eyesore.
The contextual right click menu is far more useful in Windows with many more options which is easily added to.
Mac also plays havoc with any windows server which most businesses have. Dropping out all the time and generally performing poorly.
Don't get me started on the keyboard either alt-3 instead of having a hash key is murder when working as a web dev.
If windows sorted out a decent terminal and the implementation of multiple desktops in windows 10 works well then I just can't see why anyone would recommend it. My work Mac has also frozen lots and given me a grey screen of death a few times. I honestly can't see why they get such universal praise. Maybe I'm missing something.
Firstly they're is no snap. Mac liked to dump program windows everywhere. They also have this policy across the file viewer where the default view is to show files and folders all over the place. The number of times I go into a folder and there are files on top of files is so frustrating. Also who wants to see a list of every file on their Mac when they open file explorer? Windows jump lists and peek views are much more useful than the mac dock which is a bit of an eyesore.
The contextual right click menu is far more useful in Windows with many more options which is easily added to.
Mac also plays havoc with any windows server which most businesses have. Dropping out all the time and generally performing poorly.
Don't get me started on the keyboard either alt-3 instead of having a hash key is murder when working as a web dev.
If windows sorted out a decent terminal and the implementation of multiple desktops in windows 10 works well then I just can't see why anyone would recommend it. My work Mac has also frozen lots and given me a grey screen of death a few times. I honestly can't see why they get such universal praise. Maybe I'm missing something.
exmachina64
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I'm not Stump's alt, dammit!
Totally agree with this. My last job was as an apparel product manager. I had multiple meetings and group Skype calls everyday in which I had to leave my desk. Plus I traveled 2 weeks at a time 6-8 months of the year to factories and trade shows around the world. My coworker with a Mac had to travel with a bag of adapters for monitors, projectors, and ethernet besides the normal power ones. For meetings she either had to have multiple adapters or spend time plugging and unplugging everything. Sure my thinkpad was boring looking and a little heavier but all I ever needed was the power brick and plug adapters.
At my desk I used my laptop and an external monitor together with the laptop in the dock with a full size keyboard and mouse. If you are actually working to produce real physical products Windows and Thinkpads are the way to go IMHO.
exmachina64
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I loved using macs; I would steal away to the mac lab in the art room at high school to do my work and research. And then when I went to college, before being able to afford my own, I would use the macs there. I had my macbook for 4 years and I loved it. Eventually I went back to windows because I only need one computer. I do have Linux as well which I use when I'm really trying to be productive.
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Niiiice. I'm on 7. Guess this was added in 8.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Macs are fine, except when you bring them into a domain environment and expect to get any work done (i.e. basically any company in the world). Love the hardware, but my god, the idiosyncrasies just never end.
One of our company's lawyers switched to a Macbook Air, and angrily switched back to Windows after a month. Trying to use Office and / or Sharepoint on a Mac is a painful, cludged process that can't always be guaranteed to work.
He had people sending him emails with other emails attached in .msg format - just doesn't work on Mac. Can't be done. Sharepoint calendar? Nope, no functionality at all. Outlook calendar doesn't sync up properly with Exchange or BES, leading to missed appointments.
OSX also turns off wifi at the login screen, so logging into a domain for the first time over wifi is impossible. You need to have logged in before or have a wired connection.
It is hopeless. Again, I say they are fine, if and only if you don't work in a Microsoft domain. If you do, you are going to run into a lot of hiccups and workarounds.
This will never, ever, ever happen.
One of our company's lawyers switched to a Macbook Air, and angrily switched back to Windows after a month. Trying to use Office and / or Sharepoint on a Mac is a painful, cludged process that can't always be guaranteed to work.
He had people sending him emails with other emails attached in .msg format - just doesn't work on Mac. Can't be done. Sharepoint calendar? Nope, no functionality at all. Outlook calendar doesn't sync up properly with Exchange or BES, leading to missed appointments.
OSX also turns off wifi at the login screen, so logging into a domain for the first time over wifi is impossible. You need to have logged in before or have a wired connection.
It is hopeless. Again, I say they are fine, if and only if you don't work in a Microsoft domain. If you do, you are going to run into a lot of hiccups and workarounds.
This will never, ever, ever happen.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Honestly looks like the main problem is that Microsoft's business software doesn't play nice with anything not Windows.
There are many free 3rd party porgrams that enable this. Try BetterTouchTool.
That's what Mission Control/Expose is for. Having a mess of windows isn't a problem when you can easily select which one you want. If it really bothers you, use the aforementioned window snapping.
Use list or column view, they're both way better than icons.
You can change this in the Finder preferences.
The dock is hideable. Peek view can be enabled with HyperDock.
After some googling, it looks like this is an issue with UK keyboards where they swapped the commands for £ and #. You can switch to using a US keyboard setup (which is almost identical) by going to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Input sources and then adding US and removing Britain as a option. Alternatively, try Karabiner
LanceVance
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I got a desktop PC in January after having a Macbook for 3 years. Honestly I'm not a massive tech kinda guy so it's been fine. And I hardly have time to use it anyway due to work. I mainly got a PC because of I needed a new computer and it was so much cheaper to just build my own.
CyclopsRock
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For some bizarre reason, it my office (an film and animation studio) all the "admin" staff use Macs for reasons unbeknownst to more or less anyone, and all the production staff use windows PCs.
Automatisch
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You mean like PowerShell? Or do you mean having bash? In that case you can use cygwin. Or if you mean SSH/telnet then putty.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
More like Apple computers are not properly compatible with industry standards. AD, Office and Sharepoint all predate OSX, and as far as I am concerned it is Apple's responsibility to reach out and make sure OSX works with them, not the other way around. The world needs compatibility, you can't just alienate a large portion of your users because of incompatibilities with major software.
Microsoft are partly to blame as well, as Office for Mac is their product and it completely sucks.
This thinking is why IE made the web suck for ages.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I worked in a MS shop doing Sharepoint internal apps and hear it still isn't perfect if it's not IE to this day.
I'm the SharePoint admin as well, 2013 made some very nice strides toward OS and browser independence, it's not perfect but it's getting much better.
This and the fact that you are sitting on a golden unix-like system that works (aka non linux).
As a developer, the only real thing I miss is Visual Studio and everything related like plugins and so on. Xcode isn't sufficient.
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I don't think you understand how software development and the relationship between software and an OS works...
You can't develop an OS around software that you want to work on it.
What language(s) do you primarily work with? If you're using the MS stack, yeah you're out of luck, but there are great tools on OS X for anything else (IntelliJ IDEA, Webstorm, Sublime Text, Coda, Codekit...)
Using Xcode for anything other than iOS or OS X app development is silly.
Full Linux shops are actually everywhere. But continue to believe if you want.....
TarpitCarnivore
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Dunno about business, but I find Macs to be better for computer science work. Being Unix-based contributes a lot to that. I just use Google Docs instead of Office.
Also, my early 2008 MB Pro never crashes on the OS X side (I have Windows 7 on a boot camp partition.) Thing is solid as a rock. (Being the age that it is though, it has a real tough time with high quality streaming video.)
Maybe the quality has gone down since Steve's passing?
Also, my early 2008 MB Pro never crashes on the OS X side (I have Windows 7 on a boot camp partition.) Thing is solid as a rock. (Being the age that it is though, it has a real tough time with high quality streaming video.)
Maybe the quality has gone down since Steve's passing?
Principally C and various assemblies (I work on compilers and virtual machines). I used Sublime Text (and it's sublime
) as my editor, but since I don't have the licence I switched to atom some times ago. Just the fact that I have clang as the default C compiler almost justify my switch to OS X.I maintain Xcode principally for Instruments, since I didn't find any other decent profiler.
What I really miss of Visual Studio is its debugger.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Of course not, this is obvious.
What you should do, though, is look at industry standards, i.e. AD, Sharepoint, etc, and make sure that your product works properly with them. At some point it's quite likely that an Apple user is going to come into contact with this stuff, and it's messy when it happens.
I have never seen even one, nor can I find any examples of such a store on the internet. The whole idea of a "Linux store" is an oxymoron, it's free.
TarpitCarnivore
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On the subject of windows being layered everywhere: this is what I love about OSX. At first I didn't get it and struggled with not having every single window in a border, but once I got comfortable I learned to love it. I just really enjoy how there is no clear delineated border to every window in OSX.
Embrace keyboard commands and Mission Control/Expose and you'll be flying around OSX.
Alfred.app also destroys anything on Windows or Linux when it comes to productivity tools
Embrace keyboard commands and Mission Control/Expose and you'll be flying around OSX.
Alfred.app also destroys anything on Windows or Linux when it comes to productivity tools
TarpitCarnivore
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Principally C and various assemblies (I work on compilers and virtual machines). I used Sublime Text (and it's sublime
I maintain Xcode principally for Instruments, since I didn't find any other decent profiler.
What I really miss of Visual Studio is its debugger.
I tried Atom and I just did not like it all. Slow, really slow and just really bad typeface.
Launchy? Gnome-Do? Synapse? DMenu?
TarpitCarnivore
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Launchy, not even close.
Gnome-Do kind of, but the polish isn't there
Alfred is not only dead simple to use but extremely polished. I've seen workflows built in applescript, php, python, ruby and pretty much anything native in OSX.
Just yesterday I deleted it and I've returned to Sublime because atom screwed up the indentation of a couple file and I've only noticed it after I commit it on github. Atom have a great potential but it needs a little more maturity.
This Christmas I'll probably buy a licence for Sublime.
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