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[Romulus]

Many first world nations have their own government funded programs going back decades that could be separate documentaries, but this covers the US side of it. The notion that "everyone is lying" feels absurd to me now, especially given the generations of officially funded programs and cross-border research dedicated to studying the phenomenon.

 

[sono]

This film is now out of Amazon prime.

..89% on Rotten tomatoes..

For those following this fascinating topic a while, I dont think there is anything new, however what this does achieve is bring together everything. The end result is quite hard hitting..

 

[Trogdor1123]

This film is now out of Amazon prime.

..89% on Rotten tomatoes..

For those following this fascinating topic a while, I dont think there is anything new, however what this does achieve is bring together everything. The end result is quite hard hitting..

I thought it would be included with prime but it's actually 29.99 here. I can wait.

 

[6502]

Cost me £18 but worth it. This is definetly the documentary to get reasonable people to watch. Well produced, no crazies.

 

[near]

"I have seen with my own eyes, non-human craft and non-human beings."

 

[IDKFA]

I'll give it a watch when it's free on Prime.

It's certainly a very bizarre topic. You don't get governments and space agencies looking into it if there wasn't any solid evidence. It's not another country's tech, that much is certain, but what they are is still open to debate.

 

[Nocty]

you guys realise this is all bullshit right?

The rich fuckers are just distracting you from the real issues in the world. It has always been this way.

 

[KINGMOKU]

you guys realise this is all bullshit right?

The rich fuckers are just distracting you from the real issues in the world. It has always been this way.

No, it is not. I have been researching this topic, for over 30 years. There are a ton of topics that are interconnected.

The only people who claim "this is all bullshit", are those who have done almost zero research into the entire subject, and related topics.

Its almost as if you have to have an experience, to understand that there are things, that are outside of the normal. Far outside of the normal.

 

[Romulus]

you guys realise this is all bullshit right?

The rich fuckers are just distracting you from the real issues in the world. It has always been this way.

Oh, so in every country that has a ufo program that requires tax dollars for decades, its just for.... distractions?

Let me get this straight, they just pull out these programs on a lazy sunday to fuck with people? Or its always been bullshit from the beginning, everywhere?

Makes no sense.

When are people going to realize this is far beyond just the USA too. This is worldwide and spans across very different cultures.

 

[Liljagare]

Oh, so in every country that has a ufo program that requires tax dollars for decades, its just for.... distractions?

Let me get this straight, they just pull out these programs on a lazy sunday to fuck with people? Or its always been bullshit from the beginning, everywhere?

Makes no sense.

When are people going to realize this is far beyond just the USA too. This is worldwide and spans across very different cultures.

Meanwhile, 90% of the stuff happens in one country.

Its made for people that lived under a rock for the past decade, there is not a single bit of new information. Half the film is the same dumb ass ranting from Lou. A guy that should be left behind in this conversation forever as he kills credibility. And he desperately wants it all to be about him.

"You can tell. It's just true". It is literally film adaptation of Elizondo's last book. :\

 

[Lord Panda]

Meanwhile, 90% of the stuff happens in one country.

Its made for people that lived under a rock for the past decade, there is not a single bit of new information. Half the film is the same dumb ass ranting from Lou. A guy that should be left behind in this conversation forever as he kills credibility. And he desperately wants it all to be about him.

"You can tell. It's just true". It is literally film adaptation of Elizondo's last book. :\

Elizondo has been exposed as a moron several times now, and I can't even stand looking at his face. The guy even started pretending he could remote view and claimed blue orbs were visiting his place regularly, yet somehow there's never a single photo or video. And the way parts of the UFO community bend over backwards to defend him is just as cringe. Watching him in the show slowly pacing up and down government corridors made my eyes roll.

That said in spite of Lue, the show itself was decent and definitely presents a compelling case that something real is going on, simply because so many military and government officials are willing to put their reputations and careers on the line. There's nothing really new for anyone in this space but a pretty decent primer for the casual. The people I've always paid real attention to are David Fravor and Alex Dietrich. They're the only ones who consistently say anything of substance, because - surprise - they actually saw the tic-tac with their own eyes. They're not out chasing media attention, they keep a low profile, and their story has never changed.

 

[Thurible]

UFO just means unidentified flying object. Just because we don't know or understand everything we see in the sky does not mean that it is "aliens". It is very likely that unidentified aircraft are simply manmade devices, perhaps experimental aircraft or spy planes. It would be awkward for the US government or any other to go out and openly state "That plane belongs to us" considering that the whole point it is supposed to be secret.

I ask what is more likely; that UFOs are manmade devices or even unexplained natural phenomena OR spacecraft sent from extraterrestrials light years away (which by the way shouldn't be physically possible considering the sheer vastness of space)?

 

[Romulus]

Meanwhile, 90% of the stuff happens in one country.

Its made for people that lived under a rock for the past decade, there is not a single bit of new information. Half the film is the same dumb ass ranting from Lou. A guy that should be left behind in this conversation forever as he kills credibility. And he desperately wants it all to be about him.

"You can tell. It's just true". It is literally film adaptation of Elizondo's last book. :\

90% is a massive exgerarration, especially when considering the most credible cases.

And it makes no sense so many other nations would even fund UFO programs for decades for a tiny silver spread across so many.

Lou being bad doesn't have any bearing on the others. Much of what he's said could be true too he just has ego and probably a grifter.

 

[Neff]

I watched this today, the framing is a little too dramatic for my tastes, but it's still a good source of info for anyone who is interested, as many credible sources (although some not so credible) take part. As ever, you just have to try to read between the lines a bit.

I dont think there is anything new, however what this does achieve is bring together everything.

Yep, it's a handy and comprehensive up-to-date summary of the topic, and not much more than that.

 

[Captn]

You should watch the Rogan interview podcast with the producer of the documentary. Few things ..stories he spoke about not in his flick.

Aired last week. Was pretty good for those who care off course.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Just more bullshits when the actual real shit has always been demons/fallen angels.

The Alien thing was talked about long ago by people like William Cooper almost 2 decades ago on Youtube among many others at that time and later by many of these type of channels. Of course overtime Youtube would ban those channels over the course of the last decades.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Just more bullshits when the actual real shit has always been demons/fallen angels.

The Alien thing was talked about long ago by people like William Cooper almost 2 decades ago on Youtube among many others at that time and later by many of these type of channels. Of course overtime Youtube would ban those channels over the course of the last decades.

Link a video talking about this, demons in flying saucers? I need to see this.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Oh, so in every country that has a ufo program that requires tax dollars for decades, its just for.... distractions?

Let me get this straight, they just pull out these programs on a lazy sunday to fuck with people? Or its always been bullshit from the beginning, everywhere?

Makes no sense.

When are people going to realize this is far beyond just the USA too. This is worldwide and spans across very different cultures.

UFO programs is not alien programs, seeing and detection anomalies is quite normal, it's not aliens. It's almost impossible that we wouldn't have concrete proof by now if this really was aliens.

 

[Romulus]

UFO programs is not alien programs, seeing and detection anomalies is quite normal, it's not aliens. It's almost impossible that we wouldn't have concrete proof by now if this really was aliens.

Which is it?

UFO programs is not alien programs.

But then...

It's almost impossible that we wouldn't have proof by now if this was really aliens.

Impossible, then almost impossible. Based on what? What actual experience do you have that would make me believe you understand the success rate of classified info compartmentalization at the highest level? Do you even know what that is?

 

[MMaRsu]

The only people who claim "this is all bullshit", are those who have done almost zero research into the entire subject, and related topics.

This is almost always true

 

[Gabe ♥]

Tinfoil fan here, i highly recommend to watch these channels on youtube if you are fan of this topic:

"The Why Files"
"Jesse Michels (American Alchemy)"
"Area 52"
"Danny Jones"
"Mr. Mythos"


Why Files is the best IMO, he debunks all of things, others.. not so much

 

[Hudo]

Any alien race worth a shit would immediately destroy this shithole of a planet and rid the galaxy of us before we spread like a fucking virus.

 

[Gabe ♥]

Any alien race worth a shit would immediately destroy this shithole of a planet and rid the galaxy of us before we spread like a fucking virus.

Not if we are their slaves from ancient times.

 

[RCX]

Show this to anyone who rolls their eyes when you try to explain UAP to them.

There's relatively little new stuff in it but it collates so much into one place that its probably the most valuable doc on the subject ever made. Coupled with the fact that its interviewing people from all sides of the political divide and they're all agreeing on the same thing. It's time.

Something big is coming. Finally.

 

[Hudo]

Not if we are their slaves from ancient times.

Now that's an interesting plot twist.

 

[Gabe ♥]

Now that's an interesting plot twist.

Take it with a grain of salt, but its a compilation of the most tinfoil theories around there

 

[IDKFA]

Any alien race worth a shit would immediately destroy this shithole of a planet and rid the galaxy of us before we spread like a fucking virus.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's impossible to say.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Which is it?



But then...



Impossible, then almost impossible. Based on what? What actual experience do you have that would make me believe you understand the success rate of classified info compartmentalization at the highest level? Do you even know what that is?

The idea that all the governments worldwide is able to supress all information, and shut down any civilian collected evidence, carries no weight.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

This is almost always true

Every side that believes something out of the norm says this when they have to produce evidence. If you have done the research, present the evidence, just one thing that proves aliens. Not documents, not interviews, not hearsay, real evidence.

 

[MMaRsu]

Every side that believes something out of the norm says this when they have to produce evidence. If you have done the research, present the evidence, just one thing that proves aliens. Not documents, not interviews, not hearsay, real evidence.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absense

 

[TheUnicornGuy]

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absense

I seem to remember the same thing being said about WMDs and, while it is correct, the same thing could also be said about dragons and unicorns.

 

[StueyDuck]

Anyone watched this yet, is it just a grift that repeats all the same stuff like most documentaries...

 

[6502]

Anyone watched this yet, is it just a grift that repeats all the same stuff like most documentaries...

Its a well put together documentary, maybe mind blowing for those new to it but nothing new for those who follow the subject. But that's the angle, that this is the credible stuff.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The problem of the "Alien-can't-exist-that's-impossible" crowd is that they fail to explain what's the big thing they are trying to conceal with this story. You want solid evidence of aliens without providing any solid evidence of what the Alien plot would actually conceal from the public. And that's even more illogical and definitely dumber than believing in aliens, angels or interdimensional beings.

So, for denying that there's any truth in this matter you have to make up a conspiracy theory that spans across CENTURIES in multiple cultures and countries. Do you realize how nonsensical it sounds? Based on FACTS, this theory has far less credibility than actually believing in aliens. We have "evidence" of weird allegedly non-human things while we don't have any proof of the mysterious plot to fool the population on this matter.

The most plausible theory is that there are lots of stupid people in high ranking positions. We know stupidity is one of the few constants in the history of humankind. That's a proven fact. However, I'd like to hear a better explanation.

 

[Romulus]

The idea that all the governments worldwide is able to supress all information, and shut down any civilian collected evidence, carries no weight.

But your entire point is defeated if you even listened or even understand what this thread is about. "Civilian evidence" when literally professors and defense contradictors are admitting they're working on reverse engineering craft. So is everyone lying only when the outcome is something you don't like?

 

[Lord Panda]

Tinfoil fan here, i highly recommend to watch these channels on youtube if you are fan of this topic:

"The Why Files"
"Jesse Michels (American Alchemy)"
"Area 52"
"Danny Jones"
"Mr. Mythos"


Why Files is the best IMO, he debunks all of things, others.. not so much

The host, AJ, in a recent AMA on Reddit said this:

As AJ points out, the part that never sat well with me throughout all this recent disclosure push is their talking points being first approved by the DoD/Pentagon.

Edit: Link to AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/75HOCwHfPv

 

[Gabe ♥]

The host, AJ, in a recent AMA on Reddit said this:

As AJ points out, the part that never sat well with me throughout all this recent disclosure push is their talking points being first approved by the DoD/Pentagon.

I totally agree, it seems like they are mudding the waters. Its a safe disclosure and probably they are hiding what really matters.

 

[AJUMP23]

Never trust ufo people that are part of the us government.

 

[Romulus]

The host, AJ, in a recent AMA on Reddit said this:

As AJ points out, the part that never sat well with me throughout all this recent disclosure push is their talking points being first approved by the DoD/Pentagon.

Edit: Link to AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/75HOCwHfPv

The verbiage here is so easily defeated. What does "almost every person was military intelligence" mean? More than half exactly? Most? Doesn't mean much at all. It's more a hammer to discredit things that you don't want to entertain. Read the explanation plainly, this statement is from someone looking for reasons to blanket discredit everyone and a list of "types" of people he doesn't trust that just conveniently aligns in the video. So what about the defense contractors and materials experts? We we supposed to believe they were "compromised" because this guy says so? I worked in military intelligence for years, there are so many different types of intelligence and many of them don't do SHIT but sit in an office and do busy work. Most rarely handle over secret or TSI or ever even have to use TPI.
Almost zero of them work in counter intel units or "disinformation." But him blanketing all of them as the same things tell me everything I need to know.

He doesn't know anything about the field. It's funny when you hear someone who pretends to have an understanding of it. I guess if you believe him I'm just part of the engine of "disinformation."

 

[Poppinfresh]

Oh, so in every country that has a ufo program that requires tax dollars for decades, its just for.... distractions?

Let me get this straight, they just pull out these programs on a lazy sunday to fuck with people? Or its always been bullshit from the beginning, everywhere?

It's a convenient way for the government to launder money into other, clandestine programs.

I'll start believing otherwise when a government official holds a press conference and shows us an actual, real, captured UFO or alien.

 

[Romulus]

It's a convenient way for the government to launder money into other, clandestine programs.

I'll start believing otherwise when a government official holds a press conference and shows us an actual, real, captured UFO or alien.

Be real, even if they did hold a conference, you'd just be skeptical of why they're showing you evidence now and if it's actually real.

But showing us evidence goes against the entire point of the programs and what they're about.

 

[Liljagare]

90% is a massive exgerarration, especially when considering the most credible cases.

And it makes no sense so many other nations would even fund UFO programs for decades for a tiny silver spread across so many.

Lou being bad doesn't have any bearing on the others. Much of what he's said could be true too he just has ego and probably a grifter.

Huh? Please name said countries and provide official sources, that they have "UFO programs".

UFO Sightings Map | NUFORC

Worldwide UFO / UAP sightings plotted on an interactive map.

nuforc.org

The country with the most folks on various "medications" produce the most amount of "sightings".

Go figure.

Second up is the UK.

Third up is the Netherlands.

All places where people are known to be super abusing drugs of certain types. Concidence?

Why don't countries with a higher density of cameras available have more reports?? Like all of Japan? Or, almost all of Scandinavia, which is supposed to be the major region for reports? "Ancient giants", and all that stuff. There were 25 billion cameras around in 2022, but we have yet to see anything "crazy" when it comes to "alien" proof?

Meanwhile, US grifters, who want you to buy their book, or their new "documentary". It's a multimillion business in the US.

But wierdly, nowhere else? Get a grip mate?

 

[Romulus]

Huh? Please name said countries and provide official sources, that they have "UFO programs".

UFO Sightings Map | NUFORC

Worldwide UFO / UAP sightings plotted on an interactive map.

nuforc.org

The country with the most folks on various "medications" produce the most amount of "sightings".

Go figure.

Second up is the UK.

Third up is the Netherlands.

All places where people are known to be super abusing drugs of certain types. Concidence?

Why don't countries with a higher density of cameras available have more reports?? Like all of Japan? Or, almost all of Scandinavia, which is supposed to be the major region for reports? "Ancient giants", and all that stuff. There were 25 billion cameras around in 2022, but we have yet to see anything "crazy" when it comes to "alien" proof?

Meanwhile, US grifters, who want you to buy their book, or their new "documentary". It's a multimillion business in the US.

But wierdly, nowhere else? Get a grip mate?

Even here you're 90% claim was an exgerarration by your own link and that's not even what I was talking about.

I don't know what you're going on about cameras, if you go to websites that report them it's constant and when it's unexplained the goalposts always shift to cgi or AI.


You really think all these programs are ufo wackos and grifters that are coordinating a worldwide hoax for decades

United States – Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book, AAWSAP/AATIP, UAP Task Force, AARO
United Kingdom – MoD UFO Desk / DI55
France – GEIPAN
Canada – Project Magnet, Second Storey
Russia / Soviet Union – SETKA programs (SETKA-A and SETKA-B)
China – National UFO Research Organization (civilian–military collaborative efforts)
Brazil – Operação Prato
Argentina – CEFAE
Chile – CEFAA
Peru – DIFAA
Uruguay – CRIDOVNI
Spain – Air Force UFO Investigations (no formal name, often referred to as Ejército del Aire UFO files)
Belgium – SOBEPS collaboration with military investigations
Italy – RIS/Carabinieri UFO inquiries
Portugal – Portuguese Air Force UFO studies (archival investigations)
Australia – RAAF "Unusual Aerial Sightings" files
New Zealand – RNZAF UFO files
Sweden – Archives & military-civil UFO investigations (no formal named program)
Denmark – Danish Air Force UFO archives
Norway – Hessdalen Project (scientific, partially supported institutionally)
Finland – Finnish Air Force UFO archive releases
Mexico – SEDENA aerial anomalies investigations


Look up the Hessdalen project. Universities have studied them for years and no idea what the objects.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absense

I don't think you understand what that means.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

But your entire point is defeated if you even listened or even understand what this thread is about. "Civilian evidence" when literally professors and defense contradictors are admitting they're working on reverse engineering craft. So is everyone lying only when the outcome is something you don't like?

No, they are lying when they don't show receipts. If you followed this topic, you would know that there is a big problem with people with government positions telling all sorts of stories, only to be exposed as conspiracy theorists. Go on some of the reddit pages or UFO forums, there are new people on the weekly from credible positions spewing the dumbest shit.

There are "literal" professors who believe in just about anything. People think being a defense contractor or an government agent is more special than it really is, and that they don't believe in tall tales like anyone else. Why do you think they never meet up with real scientists and work with them on what they supposedly know? because they would be exposed in a second.

 

[INC]

£15 to rent it..........guess disclosure comes at a price, please tell me Dr Steven Greer isnt anywhere on this, crying about being an ER doctor, and how he knows everything

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Even here you're 90% claim was an exgerarration by your own link and that's not even what I was talking about.

I don't know what you're going on about cameras, if you go to websites that report them it's constant and when it's unexplained the goalposts always shift to cgi or AI.


You really think all these programs are ufo wackos and grifters that are coordinating a worldwide hoax for decades

United States – Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book, AAWSAP/AATIP, UAP Task Force, AARO
United Kingdom – MoD UFO Desk / DI55
France – GEIPAN
Canada – Project Magnet, Second Storey
Russia / Soviet Union – SETKA programs (SETKA-A and SETKA-B)
China – National UFO Research Organization (civilian–military collaborative efforts)
Brazil – Operação Prato
Argentina – CEFAE
Chile – CEFAA
Peru – DIFAA
Uruguay – CRIDOVNI
Spain – Air Force UFO Investigations (no formal name, often referred to as Ejército del Aire UFO files)
Belgium – SOBEPS collaboration with military investigations
Italy – RIS/Carabinieri UFO inquiries
Portugal – Portuguese Air Force UFO studies (archival investigations)
Australia – RAAF "Unusual Aerial Sightings" files
New Zealand – RNZAF UFO files
Sweden – Archives & military-civil UFO investigations (no formal named program)
Denmark – Danish Air Force UFO archives
Norway – Hessdalen Project (scientific, partially supported institutionally)
Finland – Finnish Air Force UFO archive releases
Mexico – SEDENA aerial anomalies investigations


Look up the Hessdalen project. Universities have studied them for years and no idea what the objects.

Actually, the hessdalen stuff is believed to be gasses. A quick search gives the answer.

All developed nations have air programs, virtually none of them claim its aliens. We are on a massive globe that is spinning around, its normal that there is stuff in the air we dont understand.

 

[Romulus]

Actually, the hessdalen stuff is believed to be gasses. A quick search gives the answer.

All developed nations have air programs, virtually none of them claim its aliens. We are on a massive globe that is spinning around, its normal that there is stuff in the air we dont understand.

Gases tracked on radar moving thousands of kilometers per hour. Stop taking reddit comments seriously.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Gases tracked on radar moving thousands of kilometers per hour. Stop taking reddit comments seriously.

It's scientist that said they detected it, its on the wiki, they detected it almost 20 years ago lol. You can literally google it and figure it out in 10 seconds.

 

[Romulus]

It's scientist that said they detected it, its on the wiki, they detected it almost 20 years ago lol. You can literally google it and figure it out in 10 seconds.

You're falsely making a claim that this is solved by science.

It's a hypotheses, there is no single, universally accepted explanation for the Hessdalen lights. None whatsoever. You don't track gases moving 8,000kph.