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http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=8681

Notice the headline:

John Kerry to call for impeachment of George Bush

Tomorrow, John Kerry will spend some time on the Senate floor discussing the Downing Street Memo. For those who don't know, the memo surfaced a few weeks ago and cause quite a stir because it stated that the Iraq War was essential, and that "facts would be fixed around policy" to ensure the wars opening salvo. The memo was penned after a meeting between top level administration officials from Britian and the US.

Of course, Al Jazeera totally conflates John Kerry's impending speech with Ralph Nader's word of impeachment from a NewsMax piece:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/3/00901.shtml

The Downing Street Memo, first reported on May 1 by the London Times, was drafted by a Matthew Rycroft, a foreign policy aide to Prime Minister Tony Blair. It is said to be minutes of a July 2002 meeting where Blair allegedly admitted that the Bush administration "fixed" Iraq intelligence to manufacture a rationale for war.

Citing the Downing Street Memo, former presidential candidate Ralph Nader called for an impeachment investigation on Tuesday in an op-ed piece published by the Boston Globe.

"It is time for Congress to investigate the illegal Iraq war as we move toward the third year of the endless quagmire that many security experts believe jeopardizes US safety by recruiting and training more terrorists," wrote Nader with co-author Kevin Zeese. "A Resolution of Impeachment would be a first step."

Here's what Kerry did say:

"When I go back [to Washington] on Monday, I am going to raise the issue. I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."

He questioned Americans' understanding of the war and the idea that criticism equals disloyalty, saying, "Do you think that Americans if they really understood it would feel that way knowing that on Election Day, 77 percent of Americans who voted for Bush believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11? Is there a way for this to break through, ever?"

I don't see any mention of impeachment. Plus, Kerry's not stupid enough to bring that issue up. 55 Republican Senators what?

Does anyone here have Al Jazeera? I've heard it's the Middle East's FoxNews x100 and during their newscasts, you can forget about anything positive concerning the USA transmitting through the airwaves and that when war footage is shown, it's just that of killed civillians, ravaged victims, destroyed buildings and helpless bystanders.

What's your view on it?

 

[G4life98]

it would be awesome if kerry or any other democratic senator brought impeachment to the table...thses guys have to stop being so scared and do the right thing.

 

[goodcow]

it would be awesome if kerry or any other democratic senator brought impeachment to the table...thses guys have to stop being so scared and do the right thing.

Come on Kerry,

 

[Incognito]

Even though most Americans agree the war is bullshit, and don't like the way Georgie boy is handling it, short of hundreds of deaths a day, this country is nowhere ready or willing to impeach.

 

[MIMIC]

I just hope that by some miracle, it becomes mainstream.

 

[Macam]

Good. Much as I appreciate House Rep. John Conyers Jr. attempting to garner signatures and have the Downing Street memo grab more attention, the more representatives and senators that bring this up, the better. This administration sorely needs to be called out and the media needs to publicize this as much as possible to bring it to the public's attention. It's nothing short of absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Phoenix]

The media will do what they do. Everyone in this thread so far has the ability to validate the evidence, spread the word, and encourage letter writing campaigns to push for impeachment.

Stop depending on or waiting for other people to do what you can do yourselves! That's why these folks get away with what they do, because the American public has lost ITS testicular fortitude.

 

[Slurpy]

I have Al-Jazeera.

And no, it's not 100X fox news. It gets ciriticized by both sides. But hey, I doubt anyone will take my word for it.

 

[Instigator]

The US president for the next 3 years?

 

[Pellham]

while the war is bullshit, it doesn't in any way affect the lives of most americans so I don't understand the need for impeachment. Impeachment should only be reserved for presidents who royally fuck up, ethically or criminally, and while Bush may be a shitty president, we've had plenty of shitty presidents before.

(I don't think Clinton should have been impeached either)

 

[ToxicAdam]

...and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11?

I'd like to see that poll and where Kerry got that number from.

Anyways, I think Kerry was agreeing that the current war is just causing more people to hate us and is the most effective terrorist recruitment device ever created. I don't think he was agreeing to propose impeachment.

 

[Dilbert]

while the war is bullshit, it doesn't in any way affect the lives of most americans so I don't understand the need for impeachment. Impeachment should only be reserved for presidents who royally fuck up, ethically or criminally, and while Bush may be a shitty president, we've had plenty of shitty presidents before.

...but that's exactly why Bush is a deserving candidate for impeachment.

 

[dave is ok]

It's ballsy of Nader to speak out on Bush, considering he's part of the reason that he's in office.

Leave Al-Jazzera alone, they show casualties on both sides which is something I wish the media did in the states, it's such bs that they wont even show the flag draped over a coffin. Gives people the wrong idea about this war.

If anyone here has Comcast On Demand, under Sundance channel theres a documentary called "Control Center" (something like that), it's pretty much all about Al Jazzera, watch it.

 

[LakeEarth]

ethically or criminally

Killing thousands of people in a war you started with an excuse he made up isn't a criminal offense? What?

And thank GOD this is actually happening. Like someone said in the other thread, start a war and make up the reasons why gets you nothing, but if there was a gay sex scandal Bush would be out of office in a flash.

 

[Zaptruder]

while the war is bullshit, it doesn't in any way affect the lives of most americans so I don't understand the need for impeachment. Impeachment should only be reserved for presidents who royally fuck up, ethically or criminally, and while Bush may be a shitty president, we've had plenty of shitty presidents before.

(I don't think Clinton should have been impeached either)

If America can impeach a president for lying to protect his marriage, they better damn well impeach a president for lying and misleading to start a war that's cost thousands of lives and billions upon billions of dollars, not including the untold opportunity cost and foreign opinion cost.

 

[Azure Dream]

...but that's exactly why Bush is a deserving candidate for impeachment.

Now now... He said "ethically or criminally", it doesn't count if it's both.

 

[ronito]

If America can impeach a president for lying to protect his marriage, they better damn well impeach a president for lying and misleading to start a war that's cost thousands of lives and billions upon billions of dollars, not including the untold opportunity cost and foreign opinion cost.

Yes. Yes. In a perfect America that would happen. But there's no way that Bush will get impeached with the republican majority and the prevailing public sentiment. I've said it before on this forum, it seems that most of america doesn't care. The only way that Bush would get impeached (to destroy the famous election quote) is by someone finding him in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.

 

[bob_arctor]

"Do you think that Americans if they really understood it would feel that way knowing that on Election Day, 77 percent of Americans who voted for Bush believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11? Is there a way for this to break through, ever?"

While the war is bullshit, it doesn't in any way affect the lives of most americans so I don't understand the need for impeachment. Impeachment should only be reserved for presidents who royally fuck up, ethically or criminally, and while Bush may be a shitty president, we've had plenty of shitty presidents before.

America at War:

 

[Dilbert]

Now now... He said "ethically or criminally", it doesn't count if it's both.

OR isn't the same thing as XOR.

 

[ronito]

America at War:

teh winnar!

 

[Phoenix]

OR isn't the same thing as XOR.

Unless its on a standardized test like the LSAT.