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Alan Wake, Control developer agrees €15m convertible loan from Tencent
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Alan Wake
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This is such a lazy take. The quality of a game is not always reflected on its sales and vice versa.
Alan Wake
Member
So which decision should've been made in order to make AW2 happen?
solecon64
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The first two Max Payne games were such a huge part of my childhood growing up, I could easily see them in my top 10 games of all time. It definitely hurt to see the brain rot infest Remedy in such a horrible way with their latest game, but I have no sympathy for them now.
They made their bed, went looking for that amazing new audience, now they have to turn to begging for China money and soon losing their independence. Good riddance.
The brain rotten deserve every single bad thing that happens to them.
They made their bed, went looking for that amazing new audience, now they have to turn to begging for China money and soon losing their independence. Good riddance.
The brain rotten deserve every single bad thing that happens to them.
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Their development costs are lower. Median salary for a software engineer in Finland is 46k (via Payscale) which is ~half the US median.
This is a loan for them to move into self-publishing, they even say so. it's not an emergency payroll loan, it's a 'lets handle all marketing in house and keep all the revenue' loan. It's a good move.
If it succeeds, it means tencent own a smaller % of a much higher valued remedy - and it fails to increase their value, it means tencent might become a major shareholder. but the second option is definitely better than letting EPIC send their games out to die.
If it succeeds, it means tencent own a smaller % of a much higher valued remedy - and it fails to increase their value, it means tencent might become a major shareholder. but the second option is definitely better than letting EPIC send their games out to die.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Quality of a game is subjective.
If gamers thought remedy’s movie games are such high quality they’d buy them. People have no problem buying other high production value, highly scored games like Sony SPs, From software games, wukong etc…. But remedy games always struggle for sales.
They don’t because the gamer base spending $70 US for a game that is half cut scenes and boring gameplay is small.
A game like balatro which is a poker deck builder looks like it could be made on windows 3.1 has sold over 2M copies. That’s going to be in the ballpark of many remedy games. That’s because people like it for the quality gameplay not the crude graphics. Remedy’s focus is the opposite. High production values, but low gameplay.
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Kvally
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If you like shit games sure. Now BTFO.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I'm not sure, maybe they had no choice but making AW2 available on other stores like GOG or even Steam after 6 months or after 1 year if certain sales expectations were not met within that time would help the game, but I guess we're too far from retraction anyway. Anyway, I have nothing against AW2 in EGS, just that it's one of the reasons it doesn't sell enough, it's literally the first Epic tries to attract players without dirty exclusivity issues but by actually making the game exist
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Now here me out. What if the former influence over the decades, led to the current western influence.
simpatico
Member
I guess I mean if they put the same influence into our games that they put into their domestic messaging. Which is pretty basic traditionalist nationalism. Which they are most certainly not.Now here me out. What if the former influence over the decades, led to the current western influence.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You misunderstood. The influence won't be to strengthen the nation like theirs, but rather weaken from the institutions on up.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Where else do you expect them to get any money?Made a deal with Epic Games, making them exempt from releasing on Steam
Now you go and take money from China?
The EU is busy taxing and fining every tech company that exists so they can make ends meet and the US is in the middle of riding a giant wave of inflation that is crashing directly into a nice fat recession.
Many* investment firms do not see short or long term growth for investing in "entertainment media" so you gotta' drum up dat cash where you can.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
It was probably the best game they've ever released. One of those cases where I think budget constraints led to creative solutions that made the game better.Felt like a $3.5 million budget.
apocaliptic
Member
Without Tencent money they will be a thing of the past
Kvally
Member
Agree to disagree
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
All going well according to plan.
Danny22
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A game like AW2 would never have been a financial hit. It's artsy fartsy. You can make a game cinematic but the gameplay part needs to be top-notch. Like Sony games. Or better yet, Remedy's own control.
Control was a new IP, and had a slow start but made it up later on. And if they make a normal sequel similarly focused on gameplay, I do think they'll finally have a financial hit on their hands. Hell,the gameplay is so superb in that I think Condor (Control's MP) could be a financial hit if it was released on all platforms including steam. Yes, its really that good.
Control was a new IP, and had a slow start but made it up later on. And if they make a normal sequel similarly focused on gameplay, I do think they'll finally have a financial hit on their hands. Hell,the gameplay is so superb in that I think Condor (Control's MP) could be a financial hit if it was released on all platforms including steam. Yes, its really that good.
Husky
THE Prey 2 fanatic
They're my favorite developers and I'm on the same page. I'm never using the Epic store.
Everything but Alan Wake II is on Steam, and hopefully future releases from them won't be published by Epic.
Alan Wake
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It did launch on Xbox and PlayStation too, though. Question is why it didn't do better on console.
Alan Wake
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Yes and no. Alan Wake II is objectively better than Gollum, for instance. But I understand what you're getting at. Remedy keeps making the games they want to make, and I'm happy they do. This industry needs studios that do their own thing. But it's a business and they can't keep doing it forever if they don't make enough money. See what just happened at Don't Nod after Banishers and Jusant didn't live up to expectations (two great games, btw). Now they're apparently pausing some riskier projects and making safe bets.
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CuckMeister
Banned
Next time make a proper Alan Wake game and stop making us playing with other random npc nobody gives a shit about. I mean what's with these moronic devs side lining the main characters out of their own franchises ?
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
lol yessssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don’t release on the platform most enthusiast are on PC. Don’t release the physical version for the enthusiast on console. Game sells poorly.
Been saying this shit for the longest time, I was even going to buy it day 1.
you do not take out a loan like this with interest rates as high as they are right now for funsies.
Remedy games do not make big money. Their financials have not been positive for a few years now.
Alan Wake 2 has not made them any money (profit) to date.. Their current operations are being funded by the remake work on Max Payne.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Digital only, seems like it mattered to many people
RetroGamingUK
Member
Was the original that popular?
Not having played the original (and having no intention to do so) put me off AW2.
onnextflix5
Member
Well gamers only care about big IPs or open world games, its not really surprising.
This is such a shit take. If Epic doesn't fund the game then it doesn't get made. No one else wanted to fund the game. A bad decision is them just sitting there twiddling their thumbs while their staff sits there and not get paid. You people on this forum are funny as fuck. I would love to see some of you clowns run a business.
It's because the narration and story is woke garbage. Thank sweet baby inc for that
People are not supporting games where sbi is involved. Especially sequels.
Gamers want to game. We don't need pandering and garabge lefty activism while gaming. We get enough of that from corporate mainstream media, social media, school, university, walking around city streets and others
Stop buying sbi games because they're here to ruin the games industry
Sweet Baby Inc dev bluntly says they want to burn down the gaming industry
Edit: speak of the devil… @March Climber is here Read my post before throwing me under the bus, I’m actually trying to help you out here.
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mayham2199
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It's because the narration and story is woke garbage. Thank sweet baby inc for that
People are not supporting games where sbi is involved. Especially sequels.
Gamers want to game. We don't need pandering and garabge lefty activism while gaming. We get enough of that from corporate mainstream media, social media, school, university, walking around city streets and others
Stop buying sbi games because they're here to ruin the games industry
Sweet Baby Inc dev bluntly says they want to burn down the gaming industry
Edit: speak of the devil… @March Climber is here Read my post before throwing me under the bus, I’m actually trying to help you out here.www.neogaf.com
Has nothing to do with that. Alan Wake wasn't a huge seller even when it originally released. Remedy wanted to do a sequel and MS told them no and wanted something new from them. I hear Spiderman 2 being called woke garbage and SBI involvement and that game still sold millions.
Shake Your Rump
Banned
Epic exclusive on PC and no retail discs on console... they aren't trying very hard.
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
Damn, Sweet Baby really did a number on them huh?!
March Climber
Member
Maybe this time, when they're forced to make another campaign for a popular shooter franchise from Asia to make up for this monetary loan, that game can possibly stay purchasable for more than a mere 6 months please?
PendekarRajawali
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rapid32.5
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Annapurna partners with Remedy on Control 2, but who knows if this collaboration still exists after Annapurna has been disbanded.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
They probably make these deals because it's the only way they can get funding to keep making games. Having to float millions of dollars in anticipation of a payday 5 years out is probably tough without a publishing deal or debt. It's amazing that they haven't been fully bought out by a larger company by now.
buenoblue
Member
Yeah true. I suppose if you are owned by a first party or publisher you wouldn't get all the profit either.
fatmarco
Member
Does Remedy even know of the word "profit" though?