alcoholism - how to deal with it

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i've had various pockets of sobriety here and there, but never more than 4 months and that was just because I spent half of it in rehab and the other time in a hospital. i used to drink about two pints of whiskey a day, that ended up giving me pancreatitis and diabetes for which i was in the hospital for three months.

after i was able to walk again, i began drinking again and went to rehab. went to AA for a month after that, but hated it and went back to drinking, but went with two pints of vodka a day instead. my pancreas starting hurting again two weeks ago though, so i haven't drank in two weeks, but it's fucking hard, especially having to deal with bipolar at the sametime.

i go to therapy, and yada yada, but that rarely stops me from drinking. i dunno' dude, just try to keep your mind busy on other things i guess. working out, anime, video games, sports. anything.
 
So I'll admit that I've been going through this recently. I saw this thread pop up last night and I know I have a problem at the moment especially from this past Monday. I was desperate for a drink before work, so I went to the LCBO before work to buy a 350ml bottle of whiskey. I then headed off to the work and went to the bathroom to swig from the bottle before going to my desk. I've been trying to cut back recently, but it's been tough.

This morning was the first time for the calendar year that I haven't swigged from the bottle before work. Hopefully I can do the same thing for tomorrow and on Friday. The craving to get drunk in the mornings has become a real habit and is hard to break.
 
Is anyone going through it ? How do deal with it

First off, it is important to understand that the same thing isn't going to work for everyone. Personally, I came to realization that I wanted to make a change. I knew I wouldn't be able to just quit nor did I really want to. I have taken major steps in cutting back, I have 2-3 beers every other day now. It works for me, but I know some people need to completely stop. If you are one of those individuals then I would highly recommend getting some actual help. AA, therapy, doctor, etc. as you will more than likely not be able to go from abuse to nothing without assistance.
 
I have 3 beers on weekdays and 6-8 on weekends. I'm afraid this could lead to alcoholism (assuming it hasn't already), but I don't want to stop. Also, I rarely get hangovers and I'm an incredibly happy drunk.

Why is it so hard to just be sober?
 
I've posted a few times in the depression OT about my struggles with alcohol, anxiety, and depression.

I ended up going 4 grand and change in the hole to go to a local detox facility earlier this month. It was pretty much what I thought it'd be. The medicine was kinda alright, but they just wouldn't stop hammering the Jesus angle. I ended up acting like I was super OK just to get the fuck out of there. I started drinking again yesterday, for whatever reason. My current "logic" is that I'm not an alcoholic if I drink only beer and I saw the people who have "real" problems in the detox. The only real resolution I came away with was to never be an inpatient again. I can't stop thinking about the people from that place, their stories. I need a kind of help that I'm realistically never going to receive. At least I'm an organ donor, that's something.
 
I work in the industry and get to pull samples whenever I want, it's very hard not to drink is what I'm trying to say. My portfolio features thousands of wines and all of the top name liquor. I can literally pull a bottle of basil Hayden's, Johnnie walker or patron any time I want. It's tough but I've learned to rise above it. I try to give myself other activities such as running or gaming to slow myself. But every once in a while the privelage takes hold.
 
I like to have a beer or two in the evening to relax. I have a hard time getting to sleep, otherwise. (I've had a hard time getting to sleep my whole life.)

The best way to avoid it turning into a problem is to limit the amount you have in your house. If there's extra, you're going to be tempted. I buy the beer I'm going to drink that day on that day. Whereas my dad always has a 2-4 of tall boys on hand, and he usually ends up drinking 8 of them in an evening.
 
I like to have a beer or two in the evening to relax. I have a hard time getting to sleep, otherwise. (I've had a hard time getting to sleep my whole life.)

The best way to avoid it turning into a problem is to limit the amount you have in your house. If there's extra, you're going to be tempted. I buy the beer I'm going to drink that day on that day. Whereas my dad always has a 2-4 of tall boys on hand, and he usually ends up drinking 8 of them in an evening.
Very true. I stopped pulling extra bottles because of this, otherwise it becomes what's for dinner, what are we drinking
 
I like to have a beer or two in the evening to relax. I have a hard time getting to sleep, otherwise. (I've had a hard time getting to sleep my whole life.)

The best way to avoid it turning into a problem is to limit the amount you have in your house. If there's extra, you're going to be tempted. I buy the beer I'm going to drink that day on that day. Whereas my dad always has a 2-4 of tall boys on hand, and he usually ends up drinking 8 of them in an evening.

Oh man, the sleep thing. I'm right there with you. If I don't drink, I can't sleep period. I'll stay awake until my body starts to fail if I'm sober. Have a few drinks, drift off to sleep around 11pm like a regular god damn human being. Otherwise, yeah.
 
Oh man, the sleep thing. I'm right there with you. If I don't drink, I can't sleep period. I'll stay awake until my body starts to fail if I'm sober. Have a few drinks, drift off to sleep around 11pm like a regular god damn human being. Otherwise, yeah.

If I drink almost anything it fucks up me sleep. I'll be fine for 4-5 hours at most but then I'm up and cannot sleep. The next day is hell for me because of this. I now limit my drinking to one night a week and try to cut back on the amount I drink. Absolutely no drinking on work nights for me. If pot was legal, I'd give up alcohol completely.
 
If I drink almost anything it fucks up me sleep. I'll be fine for 4-5 hours at most but then I'm up and cannot sleep. The next day is hell for me because of this. I now limit my drinking to one night a week and try to cut back on the amount I drink. Absolutely no drinking on work nights for me. If pot was legal, I'd give up alcohol completely.

Ya, I usually wake up in the middle of the night to go to the washroom, but if I drink too much I can't fall back asleep easily.
 
From what I know and have seen it's a nearly impossible thing to deal with. Ultimately it's how much personal control you have and how much you really want to control it.

Been around it all my life.
 
Gotta start to focus on your goals and realize alcohol is in your way (or whatever addiction you have)

If you continue to use you need to be aware and think about each time you are going to drink.
 
Can't really give any tips or suggestions, but I stopped drinking in my late 20s after seeing the road I was headed down. I have alcoholism in my family and didn't want to be like them. Was pulled over twice in my early 20s when I was loaded and somehow didn't get a DUI/DWI. Wasn't going to chance it again and always demanded a sober driver afterwards. I simply won't drink alcohol if I meet friends out. Most understand with the occasional teasing here and there.
 
Op, I have been dealing with it my whole adult life. I come from a family of high functioning beer drinking alcoholics and I fit that mold perfectly.

It is nearly impossible to battle alone, I myself have no ambition to give it up (10+beers a day easy)

If you are serious about giving it up then I would recommend some sort of outside support.
 
Not an alcoholic myself, but I've had experience with a few.

See a doctor. They can provide avenues to other healthcare providers (including mental health), administer medication if needed, etc. But starting with a doctor, I've been told, is a good thing.

Going the counseling route doesn't seem too effective when there is a physical and emotional dependence on a substance. In fact, alcohol-withdrawal can be life threatening. Alcoholics who try to go cold turkey and power through, going on the advice of a counselor, can end up worse off (or dead) than before. The withdrawal symptoms of an alcoholic, I've been told by a doctor, can literally make the person feel drunk out of the blue. Like when they're driving a car. This can occur to alcoholics who have only been drinking heavily for months; one doesn't need to have had a problem with alcohol for years for severe withdrawal symptoms to arise.

But anyways, see a doctor.
 
This morning was the first time for the calendar year that I haven't swigged from the bottle before work. Hopefully I can do the same thing for tomorrow and on Friday. The craving to get drunk in the mornings has become a real habit and is hard to break.

I drink almost everyday and this seems crazy. I'm sorry dude. I think most people overreact about drinking and drugs, but drinking before work everyday for most of this year is a problem. I don't even think you need to quit cold turkey, but you have to draw the line at drinking before work or your life could spiral.
 
I drink almost everyday and this seems crazy. I'm sorry dude. I think most people overreact about drinking and drugs, but drinking before work everyday for most of this year is a problem. I don't even think you need to quit cold turkey, but you have to draw the line at drinking before work or your life could spiral.

This. It's ridiculous. Get a grip.
 
I know a person close to me who's an alcoholic. They have all the means to get help and treatment at their disposal, but they don't do a thing about it. It's frustrating as hell to deal with, but in the end they have to make the choice to seek help.
 
I drink almost everyday and this seems crazy. I'm sorry dude. I think most people overreact about drinking and drugs, but drinking before work everyday for most of this year is a problem. I don't even think you need to quit cold turkey, but you have to draw the line at drinking before work or your life could spiral.
Welcome to alcoholism. It's irrational. It's a disease.
 
I was drinking heavy and using drugs for the better part of 10 years ago. I've posted about my problems here and I've been sober for over a month with no looking back at this point. For me it took hitting rock bottom (it varies from person to person) and just a realization of how much alcohol (and drugs) screwed me up, my personality and those around me who loved me.

I PMed someone who was giving me advise on GAF last night who had suggested AA meeting for me. They've been a tremendous help and tool to fight my addictions. I personally have no desire or urges to drink but the meetings have been a tremendous help in putting things in perspective and just hearing other people's stories. The support structure and group of people I've met through AA have been a huge help as well. I've found that no matter what age or background, alcoholics have a ton in common.
 
I think as with anything in life, YMMV...For something like 10% of the population, what I'm about to say is absolutely garbage because regulation and moderation is impossible for them. For me, I've gone through stretches where I definitely was drinking too much. But, recognizing that you have a problem is, obviously, step one.

I've struggled with drinking for the same reason I've struggled with my weight: I eat and drink to feel better. Further complicating things was a fundamentalist upbringing in Mormonism, which didn't give me any examples of moderate drinking or sexual activity or whatever. With a black and white world view, you're pretty much taught 1 drink might as well be 10. So, once I'd cross "the line" and have a drink, fuck it, might as well get trashed, right?

Well, you can make small changes that have a big affect over time. Having one fewer beer, having one fewer shot, etc. Cutting myself off sooner. Drinking one day fewer per week...it might not seem like much, but small steps make bigger steps easier over time. I was once at a point where I'd get blackout drunk nightly just to sleep at night. I eased myself out of that one night at a time...the first time I cut myself off kind of sucked; I was up most of the night, but that was about it. The next few days I let myself have a few drinks before bed, but not as much. Then I cut myself off for two days in a row. Not nearly as hard the first time. On and on I eased myself out of it, and it was fine, and I've got a good handle on things ever since.

I think this kind of method of easing out of (or just reducing) alcohol consumption is really the best method. A black and white 1 drink is just as bad as 10 method which completely removes moderation from the equation is only necessary for like 1 in 10 people, and the rest of us suffer trying to adhere to it. Moderation is learned. Take steps to learn moderation and you'll see much better results.
 
I think as with anything in life, YMMV...For something like 10% of the population, what I'm about to say is absolutely garbage because regulation and moderation is impossible for them. For me, I've gone through stretches where I definitely was drinking too much. But, recognizing that you have a problem is, obviously, step one.

I've struggled with drinking for the same reason I've struggled with my weight: I eat and drink to feel better. Further complicating things was a fundamentalist upbringing in Mormonism, which didn't give me any examples of moderate drinking or sexual activity or whatever. With a black and white world view, you're pretty much taught 1 drink might as well be 10. So, once I'd cross "the line" and have a drink, fuck it, might as well get trashed, right?

Well, you can make small changes that have a big affect over time. Having one fewer beer, having one fewer shot, etc. Cutting myself off sooner. Drinking one day fewer per week...it might not seem like much, but small steps make bigger steps easier over time. I was once at a point where I'd get blackout drunk nightly just to sleep at night. I eased myself out of that one night at a time...the first time I cut myself off kind of sucked; I was up most of the night, but that was about it. The next few days I let myself have a few drinks before bed, but not as much. Then I cut myself off for two days in a row. Not nearly as hard the first time. On and on I eased myself out of it, and it was fine, and I've got a good handle on things ever since.

I think this kind of method of easing out of (or just reducing) alcohol consumption is really the best method. A black and white 1 drink is just as bad as 10 method which completely removes moderation from the equation is only necessary for like 1 in 10 people, and the rest of us suffer trying to adhere to it. Moderation is learned. Take steps to learn moderation and you'll see much better results.

Well said, bravo.
 
Quitting has been harder than I thought. I'm trying to cut back, even if its only to stop one day a week, but I get this weird feeling, it's become a part of habit I guess.
 
Reviving this thread rather than making a new one, but my dilemma: I like to drink. I genuinely enjoy craft beers. I don't really drink spirits or wine. Normally I have things under control, but when I go south I go REAL south (HIV scares, get a tattoo, black out driving/sleep in my car, etc). Lately I've been considering going into some sort of program, but I'm not religious and that aspect of AA puts me off. Further, I don't think I'm an alcoholic but think that if things don't get corrected, I'm on the path to some serious issues. Just wondering what folks have done in that sort of intermediate step between full-on alcoholism and regular drinking?
 
Reviving this thread rather than making a new one, but my dilemma: I like to drink. I genuinely enjoy craft beers. I don't really drink spirits or wine. Normally I have things under control, but when I go south I go REAL south (HIV scares, get a tattoo, black out driving/sleep in my car, etc). Lately I've been considering going into some sort of program, but I'm not religious and that aspect of AA puts me off. Further, I don't think I'm an alcoholic but think that if things don't get corrected, I'm on the path to some serious issues. Just wondering what folks have done in that sort of intermediate step between full-on alcoholism and regular drinking?
You don't have to become a full-blown alcoholic in order to give it up or cut back sharply. Why wait until something even worse happens? If you're not willing to quit, maybe set a hard limit of two drinks or something and explain to people why you're doing it.
 
You don't have to become a full-blown alcoholic in order to give it up or cut back sharply. Why wait until something even worse happens? If you're not willing to quit, maybe set a hard limit of two drinks or something and explain to people why you're doing it.

This is where I'm at now (trying to not have a drink when it's not needed) but the genesis of all this is this past weekend when I took a vacation to Houston, blew $500 on a new tattoo, bought a few pitchers for these folks I never met to try and be friendly (it wasn't just out of the blue, we were chatting prior)....and the awful feeling I had the following day of like why did I spend all that money, why did I get that tattoo, etc? It's like randomly beer just takes control over me.
 
This is where I'm at now (trying to not have a drink when it's not needed) but the genesis of all this is this past weekend when I took a vacation to Houston, blew $500 on a new tattoo, bought a few pitchers for these folks I never met to try and be friendly (it wasn't just out of the blue, we were chatting prior)....and the awful feeling I had the following day of like why did I spend all that money, why did I get that tattoo, etc? It's like randomly beer just takes control over me.


If it is random then you can't control it then you can't drink.

There are lots of craft beer enthusiasts that use their enthusiasm for the taste of the beer as a cover for their alcoholism. To them out is different to have 8 beers because they are different and they just wanted to taste all the different flavors. It isn't like they are just sitting down with a case of Natty light!

It is just bullshit excuses.
 
I have about 2-4 beers on week nights and prob a six Friday and Saturday. Sunday I typically don't drink much for whatever reason

I'm in my early twenties and single. I guess it's just what I do cuz im bored a lot and it goes well with movies or video games.

I run a couple miles a day when it's nice out and eat relatively healthy.

I feel I need to cut back. Probably will do it when I'm in a relationship or something.
 
If it is random then you can't control it then you can't drink.

There are lots of craft beer enthusiasts that use their enthusiasm for the taste of the beer as a cover for their alcoholism. To them out is different to have 8 beers because they are different and they just wanted to taste all the different flavors. It isn't like they are just sitting down with a case of Natty light!

It is just bullshit excuses.

But that's the thing: I go out to a bar, have maybe three, four drinks with some friends, go home, totally fine. The next day I get really drunk, go to a bar, drink and drink, go home with someone, do really stupid shit, put myself at risk, etc.

For example, on Saturday when I was being an idiot I had a $70 bar tab then went and got a tattoo. Then on Sunday I had maybe three beers (I was with friends) over the course of a few hours. It's so off-and-on. It's probably part of something deeper in me but it's odd how it just changes so rapidly.
 
But that's the thing: I go out to a bar, have maybe three, four drinks with some friends, go home, totally fine. The next day I get really drunk, go to a bar, drink and drink, go home with someone, do really stupid shit, put myself at risk, etc.

For example, on Saturday when I was being an idiot I had a $70 bar tab then went and got a tattoo. Then on Sunday I had maybe three beers (I was with friends) over the course of a few hours. It's so off-and-on. It's probably part of something deeper in me but it's odd how it just changes so rapidly.


The randomness is why you need to quit completely.
 
AA is not for everybody, I am personally quite turned off by the cultlike behavior it tends to have and the constant emphasis on you doing something wrong. When I had my issues (not booze) it was Smart Recovery that really helped.

http://www.smartrecovery.org/

It gives you tools to deal with your brain instead of waiting for a mystical higher power to do it for you.
 
Oh I know. They push religion quite a bit, which isn't everyone's cup of tea either. That guy came out catholic afterward. If you don't want to do that, therapy is fine too, but I think the most important thing is to surround yourself with positive people.

Let me preface this by saying IN MY EXPERIENCE ...

Ya right.... AA "pushes" religion...

Actually, AA suggests that members get a "higher power"... whatever that is... for many AAs it's the group, for others it's Spiritualism in various forms, for some it's a Religion,for one I know it's his damned Harley... doesn't matter though, it's just part of the process of learning some humility, accepting your lack of control and learning to LISTEN...

I'm an Atheist... a lot of my AA friends are Atheists (Canada's a pretty secular state)... most would probably self-identify as "agnostic", a lot cross-identify as "recovering Catholics"... but none of that has much to do with getting and staying sober, so whatever...

AA certainly has it's problems. For starters, every meeting is an independent entity loosely organized by a few rules laid down by the founders 75 years ago, so things are a little uneven in the "quality" department. And of course, the one truth about every AA meeting is that it's full of sick people; some you can handle, some might drive you nuts, some might piss you off, but that's the nature of the beast; keep an open mind and you'll connect with some, too. Another thing about AA is that the main books it uses to pass the tools to help people on the road to sobriety were predominantly written by Christian males in the 1930s... Yes, they talk about God, their God... Yes, that God is a traditional Judeo-Christian Patriarch... Yes, that annoys some people...

But the truth about drunks is they're self-deceiving addicts in full-blown denial, and they will justify their continued pursuit of their drug of choice by any means necessary. And claiming "AA pushes religion" is a great excuse to keep drinking, or to set themselves up to keep drinking a day, a month or a year down the road.

Personally, I don't think it's really the religion thing that freaks people out; it's the honesty thing. The AA Program is a program for living based on honesty, humility, and community works, and it insists that you have to give back. That takes effort. That takes work. That takes real change...

Whatever... Alcoholism is a disease and it is chronic, progressive and fatal. What that means is if you don't stop it will kill you. Period. One way or another.

If you want to get sober and stay sober, all you need to do is sit your ass down at an AA meeting. Do 90 in 90 and keep attending. Resign from the fucking debating society, put the plug in the jug, get a sponsor (pick one you don't particularly like, but that you respect), stfu and DO THE STEPS. Then, when you haven't had a drink in three or four or five years, re-evaluate AA... In my experience, some of the finest, most decent, kindest, most community spirited and generous people I've ever known were people I met in these shitty church basements and community centres at AA meetings. And as an added bonus, I stayed clean and sober. For 25 years come this July. Not bad...
 
You talk like AA is the only option.

25 years ago it pretty much was... NA was only something like 5 years old back then, and AA was the only place you could find anyone with long term sobriety...

But here's the thing; in the city of 1 Million + that I currently live in, there are at least five or six AA meetings I can go to every single night of the week. No other option I'm aware of has that kind of open and available support. No one ever got drunk at an AA meeting.
 
A doctor told me point blank that my liver would be fucked and I'd die if I kept drinking.

I kept drinking.

It took an incredibly embarrassing incident and my mother crying her heart out to me to shake me out of it. I went to AA for a few meetings but it wasn't for me. It was just kinda creepy... I dunno. Anyway, I decided to ween myself off the stuff. I gradually went from a shitload of vodka a night to half a shitload and then switched to beer and just kept reducing my intake. It took about a month and it wasn't easy. Haven't had a drink in 7 years.

Good luck.
 
I been getting back in touch with my old friend going through this break up after 7 years. Its like the only thing that helps me cope with the emotional shit.
 
Reviving this thread rather than making a new one, but my dilemma: I like to drink. I genuinely enjoy craft beers. I don't really drink spirits or wine. Normally I have things under control, but when I go south I go REAL south (HIV scares, get a tattoo, black out driving/sleep in my car, etc). Lately I've been considering going into some sort of program, but I'm not religious and that aspect of AA puts me off. Further, I don't think I'm an alcoholic but think that if things don't get corrected, I'm on the path to some serious issues. Just wondering what folks have done in that sort of intermediate step between full-on alcoholism and regular drinking?

I mean, I think the first step is to recognize that you're an alcoholic. Yes, people don't usually identify as an alcoholic until they really hit bottom, but that isn't actually legally required.

You're using alcohol excessively, you're binging in a way that endangers your life and well-being, and you're concerned about your own behavior and choices but can't keep control of them. You're clearly not a crazy person or a danger, but at the same time, you have a serious problem. And you already know it!

Given that you're an alcoholic, you should start taking steps to control that. If you don't like AA, that's fine -- jury's out on it anyway. Talk to a doctor. There are therapies and sometimes medications that can help you. You may be self-medicating for other issues, and identifying and working on those may help.

Make a commitment to not taking that first drink, and work on keeping that commitment. You know there's a problem, so you are self-possessed enough to be able to fix it or to get help if you can't do it by yourself.
 
Well, still married, no issues with my job, and for the most part my health is fine. It's really just recognizing that bingeing twice a week or more by myself at home is probably not a great idea, and while my wife is supportive of me getting better, she isn't my biggest fan when I'm hammered.

And every time the NeoGAF Notebook is late, I drink some more. So you guys are part of the problem too. :)
I was a binge alcoholic. I didn't need to drink every day, but at least twice a week I would get ripped. Not a little drunk, but completely stumble-ass drunk. I figured out that once I had that second drink, there was no force on Earth that would stop me until I had consumed all the alcohol available in my vicinity.

I started at 13 and kept it up until I was 24. On the morning after my 24th birthday, I awoke in a complete stranger's home, with no idea how I'd gotten there. I had also gotten so drunk I pissed myself. So reeking of urine, I snuck out of someone's place (still don't know who they were) and walked home in utter and absolute shame.

I haven't had a drink since. 22 years now. I learned my only real option for control was to not take the first drink. It wasn't fun, and some days, even now, I still want a drink. On a hot day, my brain will say "Man, how good would a beer taste right now?" It will say, "Surely you can have just that one drink to be sociable." But I figured out part of my brain is a lying asshole that would just as soon see me dead. So I ignore it. The more I ignored it, the weaker it got. If the temptation was too strong, I'd make myself sit in one spot until it was too late to buy booze.

I tried AA, but hated it. I read all the Rational Recovery stuff, which made more sense to me, but ultimately was the acceptance of the idea that I just couldn't drink anymore. That's super hard for some people, who think they'll keep it under control. If you get to this point, you've already shown that you can't control it. The best option is to just stop.
 
For example, on Saturday when I was being an idiot I had a $70 bar tab then went and got a tattoo. Then on Sunday I had maybe three beers (I was with friends) over the course of a few hours. It's so off-and-on. It's probably part of something deeper in me but it's odd how it just changes so rapidly.

You can have a problematic relationship with alcohol without getting shitfaced every time you drink. It's not the black and white thing movies and tv shows make it out to be. I get really fucked up maybe once or twice a year, but it's still a problem that I drink almost every day.
 
I'm not a social creature, but I also learned I'm not alone.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surprising-failures-of-12-steps/284616/

AA never worked for me. A non-alcoholic treatment therapist did. She was genuinely curious about my compulsion/need for alcohol, and helped me learn new ways to cope. Hurt like hell at times, but worked. Just by having to explain it made me focus on why I drank.

(Hint: Boredom, genetics, and low-grade child sexual abuse)
 
I don't know how much is OK to drink.

I drink 10-15(sometimes a little more) at parties, 5-10 in a social environment, and 3-5 every other night or so.
 
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