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Amazing, well researched article on gluten-free diets.

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A Fish Aficionado

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Some great quotes. Emphasis added by me.

Gluten, one of the most heavily consumed proteins on earth, is created when two molecules, glutenin and gliadin, come into contact and form a bond. When bakers knead dough, that bond creates an elastic membrane, which is what gives bread its chewy texture and permits pizza chefs to toss and twirl the dough into the air. Gluten also traps carbon dioxide, which, as it ferments, adds volume to the loaf. Humans have been eating wheat, and the gluten in it, for at least ten thousand years. For people with celiac disease—about one per cent of the population—the briefest exposure to gluten can trigger an immune reaction powerful enough to severely damage the brushlike surfaces of the small intestine. People with celiac have to be alert around food at all times, learning to spot hidden hazards in common products, such as hydrolyzed vegetable protein and malt vinegar. Eating in restaurants requires particular vigilance. Even reusing water in which wheat pasta has been cooked can be dangerous.

Until about a decade ago, the other ninety-nine per cent of Americans rarely seemed to give gluten much thought. But, led by people like William Davis, a cardiologist whose book “Wheat Belly” created an empire founded on the conviction that gluten is a poison, the protein has become a culinary villain. Davis believes that even “healthy” whole grains are destructive, and he has blamed gluten for everything from arthritis and asthma to multiple sclerosis and schizophrenia. David Perlmutter, a neurologist and the author of another of the gluten-free movement’s foundational texts, “Grain Brain: The Surprising Truth About Wheat, Carbs, and Sugar—Your Brain’s Silent Killers,” goes further still. Gluten sensitivity, he writes, “represents one of the greatest and most under-recognized health threats to humanity.

Although dietary patterns have changed dramatically in the past century, our genes have not. The human body has not evolved to consume a modern Western diet, with meals full of sugary substances and refined, high-calorie carbohydrates. Moreover, most of the wheat we eat today has been milled into white flour, which has plenty of gluten but few vitamins or nutrients, and can cause the sharp increases in blood sugar that often lead to diabetes and other chronic diseases.

But something strange is clearly going on. For reasons that remain largely unexplained, the incidence of celiac disease has increased more than fourfold in the past sixty years. Researchers initially attributed the growing number of cases to greater public awareness and better diagnoses. But neither can fully account for the leap since 1950. Murray and his colleagues at the Mayo Clinic discovered the increase almost by accident. Murray wanted to examine the long-term effects of undiagnosed celiac disease. To do that, he analyzed blood samples that had been taken from nine thousand Air Force recruits between 1948 and 1954. The researchers looked for antibodies to an enzyme called transglutaminase; they are a reliable marker for celiac disease. Murray assumed that one per cent of the soldiers would test positive, matching the current celiac rate. Instead, the team found the antibodies in the blood of just two-tenths of one per cent of the soldiers. Then they compared the results with samples taken recently from demographically similar groups of twenty- and seventy-year-old men. In both groups, the biochemical markers were present in about one per cent of the samples.

Most people have no trouble digesting FODMAPs, but these carbohydrates are osmotic, which means that they pull water into the intestinal tract. That can cause abdominal pain, bloating, and diarrhea. When the carbohydrates enter the small intestine undigested, they move on to the colon, where bacteria begin to break them down. That process causes fermentation, and one product of fermentation is gas. In Gibson’s new study, when the subjects were placed on a diet free of both gluten and FODMAPs, their gastrointestinal symptoms abated. After two weeks, all of the participants reported that they felt better. Some subjects were then secretly given food that contained gluten; the symptoms did not recur. The study provided evidence that the 2011 study was wrong—or, at least, incomplete. The cause of the symptoms seemed to be FODMAPs, not gluten; no biological markers were found in the blood, feces, or urine to suggest that gluten caused any unusual metabolic response.

Myhrvold wasn’t in town that day, but I caught up with him later. He is highly opinionated, and delights in controversy; saying the words “gluten-free” to him was like waving a red flag at a bull. “When I was a kid, I would watch National Geographic specials all the time,’’ he told me. “Often, they would travel to remote places and talk to shamans about evil spirits. It was an era of true condescension; the idea was that we know better and these poor people are noble, but they think that spirits are everywhere. That is exactly what this gluten-free thing is all about.” He stressed that he was not referring to people with celiac disease or questioning the possibility that some others might also have trouble eating gluten. “For most people, this is in no way different from saying, ‘Oh, my God, we are cursed.’ We have undergone what amounts to an attack of evil spirits: gluten will destroy your brain, it will give you cancer, it will kill you. We are the same people who talk to shamans.

“To find out the effect something like gluten has on people’s diets is complicated,’’ he said. “We’ll need long-term studies, and there won’t be a useful answer for years. So, instead of telling everyone you are going on a gluten-free diet, what if you said, ‘Hey, I am going on an experimental regimen, and it will be years before we know what effect it might have.’ I don’t know about you, but instead of saying ‘Eat this because it will be good for you,’ I would say, ‘Good luck.’ ’’

Fad dieting is nothing new in America; it’s what we do instead of eating balanced, nutritiously wholesome meals. Scarsdale, Atkins, South Beach, Zone, flexitarian, pescatarian, and paleo have all been awarded their fifteen minutes of fame and then shoved aside for the next great diet. They are rarely effective for long. Some nutrition specialists say that the current preoccupation with gluten-free products reminds them of the national obsession with removing fats from foods in the late nineteen-eighties. “Low-fat” foods are often packed with sugar and calories to make up for the lack of fat. The same is true of many products that are advertised as “gluten-free.”

And much, much more.
Against the Grain:
Should you go gluten-free?
 

cyberheater

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My wife is going gluten free so this article is of great interest for me. Thanks for posting.
 

SeanR1221

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Interesting to see fodmap mentioned.

I had emergency surgery back in June. Nothing huge, but I had to get my appendix out.

About a month after surgery I started getting HORRIBLE stomach pains. It was debilitating. I couldn't walk and it caused me to be slouched over in pain, kicking and screaming out. It was a terrible.

I contacted a doctor friend of mine and she immediately mentioned fodmap and said I could have post surgical inflamation.

Well, I followed fodmap to a T and had no pain.

The inflmamation is gone now and I can safely eat whatever I want, but at the time it was no joke.
 

A Fish Aficionado

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I'm celiac and I wish I could eat gluten. Give me all the gluten, I want it.

One of the things I want people to get from this is that Celiac's is real and it's serious. Some good things have come, such as more available places to eat out and eat from but many people just believe in the panacea of Perlmutter and Davis. Including companies that profit from it.
 
I have Celiac's disease and it sucks. When I travel for work or pleasure I have to be viligant every time I eat. It's really annoying.

I miss pizza a lot. You can find restaurants that will make gluten free pizzas but there's still high risks of contamination.

Wish I could eat gluten. :( You'd be surprised how much food it's in.
 

Timedog

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I wonder how much food sensitivity actually comes from, or at least starts from, poor mouth health? If you don't floss and have bacteria and food particles festering between teeth causing inflammation, that seems like a pretty direct way to get your immune system to start attacking certain kinds of food.
 

A Fish Aficionado

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I wonder how much food sensitivity actually comes from, or at least starts from, poor mouth health? If you don't floss and have bacteria and food particles festering between teeth causing inflammation, that seems like a pretty direct way to get your immune system to start attacking certain kinds of food.

Well, we didn't have good mouth hygiene until recently, so I'd wager a guess of very little.
 

hateradio

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I don't understand the gluten issue, except if you have the disease. It seems like misplacing faults on something that's innocuous to most people.
 

A Fish Aficionado

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Interesting to see fodmap mentioned.

I had emergency surgery back in June. Nothing huge, but I had to get my appendix out.

About a month after surgery I started getting HORRIBLE stomach pains. It was debilitating. I couldn't walk and it caused me to be slouched over in pain, kicking and screaming out. It was a terrible.

I contacted a doctor friend of mine and she immediately mentioned fodmap and said I could have post surgical inflamation.

Well, I followed fodmap to a T and had no pain.

The inflmamation is gone now and I can safely eat whatever I want, but at the time it was no joke.

That is interesting. The appendix is known to be associated with some gut flora, so I wonder of that was the case?
 

aly

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That's an interesting article. My current doctor keeps pushing me to stay gluten-free to help my stomach issues, but I really hope they are wrong. Everything I love has gluten in it and I've found my self overeating lately without it.
 

cyberheater

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I think I'm going to try a FODMAP reduced diet for a couple of weeks to see how I get on.

Giving up on mushrooms, onions and garlic is going to be super tough for me.
 

A Fish Aficionado

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I'm not following your logic, or how it relates to what I said.

We didn't think of our mouth as a precursor to our physical health until recently. We started Water fluoridation in the fifties.

Medicine is not linear or exponential.

And to how it relates? We are on very preliminary studies on how gut, and oral flora relates. You cannot draw any conclusions, as the article posted states, on dietary exclusions.
 

SeanR1221

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That is interesting. The appendix is known to be associated with some gut flora, so I wonder of that was the case?

My doctor friend said the healing process can be stressful on the body and it didn't help I went back to work 3 days post surgery.

I'm so glad it's over though. I couldn't even eat chipotle. And I eat chipotle once a week!!!
 
You'd be surprised how much food it's in.

Which is one of the reasons to be sceptical when people who aren't on these diets for medical reasons claim how much better they feel after cutting out gluten, and attribute it to that alone. You're almost certainly cutting out or limiting your intake of a lot more than just gluten.
 
My doctor friend said the healing process can be stressful on the body and it didn't help I went back to work 3 days post surgery.

I'm so glad it's over though. I couldn't even eat chipotle. And I eat chipotle once a week!!!

How do you get all the blood stains out of your underwear?
 
Which is one of the reasons to be sceptical when people who aren't on these diets for medical reasons claim how much better they feel after cutting out gluten, and attribute it to that alone. You're almost certainly cutting out or limiting your intake of a lot more than just gluten.

Yup.

"Hey I stopped eating gluten (2 pizza a day, a few muffins, a bag of chips and beer) and instead ate a tuna salad and cooked vegetables with rice and chicken and went for a run. I feel much better. Fuck gluten!"
 

tbm24

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My sister is celiac, it's really annoying. However it's always fun to go to a super market with her and see her eyes light up when she spots a full section of gluten free stuff. It was definitely a lot more annoying for her to eat a few years ago than it is today.
 

cyberheater

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Yup.

"Hey I stopped eating gluten (2 pizza a day, a few muffins, a bag of chips and beer) and instead ate a tuna salad and cooked vegetables with rice and chicken and went for a run. I feel much better. Fuck gluten!"

That might be just because you improved your diet, stopped eating crap and did a bit of exercise. Not because of the lack of gluten.
 

Nose Master

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For everyone that "has" celiac's, what did you do before this fad started? Get gassy when you ate bread?

I find it hard to believe as soon as gluten-free is a thing, Celiac's come out of the woodwork. I always assume 99% of people who claim to have it are full of shit, and had a stomach ache once after consuming gluten.
 

dimb

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For everyone that "has" celiac's, what did you do before this fad started? Get gassy when you ate bread?

I find it hard to believe as soon as gluten-free is a thing, Celiac's come out of the woodwork. I always assume 99% of people who claim to have it are full of shit, and had a stomach ache once after consuming gluten.
Maybe they could, like, not eat bread. Whoa.
 

Nose Master

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Maybe they could, like, not eat bread. Whoa.

Not really what I meant. Did you just have chronic stomach pain for 15 years? Never eat any wheat products, ever? Before Celiac's folks knew this was a thing, what happened because of it?
 

Azulsky

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The FODMAP thing is interesting. I know Quest uses Oligosaccharides as a Fiber source and sweetener in their bars. That cookies and creme pretty tasty though.

Some of the old thoughts on gluten were that it contributed to something known as leaky gut syndrome, which essentially postulated that certain foods(gluten) made your small intestine hyperpermeable(Also a side effect of Crohns/IBS) so more stuff gets into the blood stream than usual(bad stuff).

Dont think any research went into that, and Crohns and IBS are not very well understood diseases either.

You have to take anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt. People who claim less allergies after losing gluten are suffering confirmation bias and they are altering their diets so much at one time there is no telling what is happening.
 

LayLa

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For everyone that "has" celiac's, what did you do before this fad started? Get gassy when you ate bread?

I find it hard to believe as soon as gluten-free is a thing, Celiac's come out of the woodwork. I always assume 99% of people who claim to have it are full of shit, and had a stomach ache once after consuming gluten.

You do realise that medical conditions can develop over time? And that Celiac has been around a lot longer than "this fad"?
I follow a gluten-free diet because almost every grain causes my UC to flare up - eating pizza vs not shitting blood, there is one obvious winner :(
 

ahoyhoy

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I'm curious about FODMAP now. I've been having regular bouts of cramping and general abdominal pain, especially a couple hours after a larger meal. I've been to a GI Doctor who hasn't been able to find anything wrong on blood tests or an ultrasound. I feel like I've been eating "healthier" in the last few months, but a lot of the vegetables I've been consuming (especially onion, garlic, and mushroom, cauliflower, and beans) are found on the list of mandatory restricted foods.

The list seems so cover my staples so comprehensively I'm actually curious if I could, at least partially, be negatively affected by regularly eating these things.
 

Frith

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got ibs 4 years ago really bad to the point i couldn't really travel without extensive prep and when doctors can do nothing apart from say "hey reduce stress" its hard not to turn to any old wacked out theory if only for a few weeks to see if it helps. as a former evidence for everything science bore it really burns when you realise that real medicine is really young and there's loads of stuff they can't fix and will just put on you with a vague platitude rather than say they don't know.

fodmap has come to prominence in this time and its "funny" to see doctors slowly change from mocking it like people do gluten free to it becoming the accepted thing to try for serious ibs. it's pretty tough though people say you shouldn't do it without supervision cos you can get malnourished.

whats my point?

people have all manner of problems that doctors can't fix and if there is a big fad i don't think its really for every one to mock people who have a problem searching for some sort of solution. its just evidence theres a large number of people with a problem that hasn't got an official solution. i've had all manner of shitty responses form my gps over the last few years but they finally noticed i might have something else they understood (i'm really tall and have bendy joints so they thought i should get checked for marphans) and the specialists for that were all "yo dog have you heard about fodmap its awesome". i already had but it was nice to have a nutritionist tell me i wasn't a crazy person.

it boggles the mind how arrogant doctors can be when they them selfs know they haven't got anything to help.


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Fad dieting is nothing new in America; it’s what we do instead of eating balanced, nutritiously wholesome meals

oh fuck off when people can agree what that is maybe we can talk but doctors are always (hyperbole) right until they are wrong and "balanced, nutritiously wholesome meals" actually means nothing given the amount of debate about what that means.

we don't know

its all really in its infancy everything up to this point has been more about scientists opinions than evidence.
 
That might be just because you improved your diet, stopped eating crap and did a bit of exercise. Not because of the lack of gluten.

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jesu

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WHats up with gluten yo?
There is a bit in the supermarket that says gluten free, but it looks boring and I ignore it.
Is gluten in all the good things?
 

Stet

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I usually love the New Yorker, but this article is written in such a way as to be pretty irresponsible. It front-loads the opinions against gluten and saves the scientific data for the end, which means that people who diet because they rely on advice from friends or celebrity endorsements will probably check out after the first half and ignore everything else.

How about bolding this.

While there are no scientific data to demonstrate that millions of people have become allergic or intolerant to gluten (or to other wheat proteins), there is convincing and repeated evidence that dietary self-diagnoses are almost always wrong, particularly when the diagnosis extends to most of society. We still feel more comfortable relying on anecdotes and intuition than on statistics or data. Since the nineteen-sixties, for example, monosodium glutamate, or MSG, has been vilified. Even now, it is common to see Chinese restaurants advertise their food as “MSG-free.” The symptoms that MSG is purported to cause—headaches and palpitations are among the most frequently cited—were initially described as “Chinese-restaurant syndrome” in a letter published, in 1968, in The New England Journal of Medicine. The Internet is filled with sites that name the “hidden” sources of MSG. Yet, after decades of study, there is no evidence that MSG causes those symptoms or any others. This should surprise no one, since there are no chemical differences between the naturally occurring glutamate ions in our bodies and those present in the MSG we eat. Nor is MSG simply an additive: there is MSG in tomatoes, Parmesan, potatoes, mushrooms, and many other foods.
 
For everyone that "has" celiac's, what did you do before this fad started? Get gassy when you ate bread?

I find it hard to believe as soon as gluten-free is a thing, Celiac's come out of the woodwork. I always assume 99% of people who claim to have it are full of shit, and had a stomach ache once after consuming gluten.

Celiac Disease (not Celiac's as there was no Dr. Celiac) was first described and named by Aretaeus of Cappadocia in the 2nd century so it most certainly didn't just come out of the woodwork. It is generally believed that it began along with the transition to an agricultural society when humans began cultivating and eating grain when they really shouldn't have.

The reason it was poorly diagnosed for such a long time was due to a set of rigidly narrow symptoms that barely scrape the surface of the ways this autoimmune disease can manifest itself. It's not just "eat bread, get a tummy ache." We now know that people can develop dozens of varying symptoms and, in many cases, no symptoms at all while being verifiably positive for Celiac. I didn't possess classic Celiac symptoms which delayed my diagnosis by years while my health deteriorated. We've learned so much more about the disease in the past decade or so and an explosion of diagnoses as a result isn't a surprise. Learn how to identify the disease properly and you'll be able to help more people.

Yes, there are a plenty of people who hop on the gluten-free diet as a fad. They think it's a great way to lose weight (it's not) or they want to be special. These people can annoy me too because it turns others into skeptics who don't believe me when I tell them that eating even a small amount of gluten can make me very sick and continual consumption can have dire consequences.

I've "had" Celiac Disease for four years and was diagnosed through a positive off-the-charts blood test and endoscopy. Like many others, mine was silent until adulthood when it was brought by on by a nasty case of bronchitis (In adults, it can remain silent until some sort of trauma occurs.). It's not always fun and can be a massive inconvenience not being able to eat wheat and its siblings but after losing a good chunk of my 20s to this so-called fad, I wouldn't trade my good health for anything. We just have to do a better job, I guess, of educating people about what's going on with us and why we follow this diet. edit: There appear to be a few outdated inaccuracies in this article though. Hopefully it wasn't all sourced from the Internet.
 

Timedog

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We didn't think of our mouth as a precursor to our physical health until recently. We started Water fluoridation in the fifties.
What does what we started to think recently have to do with my question?

Medicine is not linear or exponential.
No clue what this has to do with what I said. I never expressed any idea counter to this.

And to how it relates? We are on very preliminary studies on how gut, and oral flora relates. You cannot draw any conclusions, as the article posted states, on dietary exclusions.
This makes no sense in context with the rest of our conversation.
 

Ether_Snake

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Lack of sleep + eating cereals or oatmeal screws up my digestive system, I would get gas/diarrhea etc.). I don't eat either anymore (bread is fine), and sleep full nights. My skin is much better as a result, I used to have acne but this clearer it up.
 

Settin

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I usually love the New Yorker, but this article is written in such a way as to be pretty irresponsible. It front-loads the opinions against gluten and saves the scientific data for the end, which means that people who diet because they rely on advice from friends or celebrity endorsements will probably check out after the first half and ignore everything else.

How about bolding this.
Thanks for saving me the effort :)
 

tbm24

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For everyone that "has" celiac's, what did you do before this fad started? Get gassy when you ate bread?

I find it hard to believe as soon as gluten-free is a thing, Celiac's come out of the woodwork. I always assume 99% of people who claim to have it are full of shit, and had a stomach ache once after consuming gluten.

Assuming they are full of shit just means you're being dismissive and a jerk. My sister has had stomach problems since she was a kid and countless doctors and specialist could never conclude why until a few years ago when they recommended her to stay off gluten for a month to see what happens. Surprise surprise they went away.
 

Timedog

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The best you can say about the effect of gluten on health is "we don't really know". But some people who "fucking love science" will argue otherwise.
 

entremet

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I don't eat much bread/pasta these days, save for treats--burgers/pizza/desserts.

Everytime I do though I get the runs fierce, though. Not with artisanal breads, however.

I don't mind N=1 experimentation, however, I'm not going to prescribe this to others. I just feel better not eating bread/pasta.

I'm not low carb, I eat potatoes and white rice all the time.
 

Dre

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The FODMAP bit is interesting, but after looking it up, a FODMAP reduced diet seems like hell. There are so many things on the no-go list that I like.

You have to watch out for

avocados
apples/pears/cherries
broccoli/cauliflower
onions/garlic
mushrooms
xylitol (thankfully you only need small amounts to improve oral hygiene)
 

kirblar

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One thing not mentioned about bread/pasta in the US- it's iron-fortified. If you're a person who overabsorbs Iron and isn't aware of it, you're going to feel much, much better when eating other starches instead. (This turned out to be the main reason for me, along with a secondary issue with fructose.)
 
Lack of sleep + eating cereals or oatmeal screws up my digestive system, I would get gas/diarrhea etc.). I don't eat either anymore (bread is fine), and sleep full nights. My skin is much better as a result, I used to have acne but this clearer it up.

I think this best represents what I've experienced by cutting out gluten as an every day thing, too. It's like, "if you always feel like crap, then it's normal". You may not realize the difference until you've stopped it, and then reintroduce gluten to see how you feel. I've also lost about 30 lbs in the process, a tend to sleep better, and my wife tells me that I'm a bit less moody, too. I'm not running around claiming Celiac Disease, either, I just think the stuff is overall bad for you.
 

kirblar

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I think this best represents what I've experienced by cutting out gluten as an every day thing, too. It's like, "if you always feel like crap, then it's normal". You may not realize the difference until you've stopped it, and then reintroduce gluten to see how you feel. I've also lost about 30 lbs in the process, a tend to sleep better, and my wife tells me that I'm a bit less moody, too. I'm not running around claiming Celiac Disease, either, I just think the stuff is overall bad for you.
Same thing happened with me - I lost 40 lbs initially.
 
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