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Yeah I don't expect other companies to do it anyway. Besides what you mentioned, it's not in your best interest to recommend a game that uses a rival platform as it's basically free advertising at east for Steam. I don't know if they get any royalties or their normal 30% for those games being sold elsewhere but it's a trojan horse at the very least.

I was mainly saying it's up to gamers to educate people who have questions. Because even though I'm a core gamer I'm still pretty new at PC gaming and I know how much of a hassle it can be to someone who doesn't want to deal with PC-related problems and more importantly to someone who doesn't necessarily know how to fix them.

I'm all for what you guys are doing though, PC gaming is about choices. As long as I'm always offered a Steam choice then I won't be complaining at all.

Totally know what you mean about getting people into PC gaming. As for Steam being an option, I don't see that changing anytime soon. We want to be a retailer, hopefully the best retailer. This means our goal is to have the most options to retail to you (the customers). I'm constantly pushing to make sure we're not the grocery store who carries Jiffy but not Skippy Peanut Butter :).

If we can get some success around games like A Game of Thrones, success being defined as an incremental lift in our projected sales on either version (Steam or Not Steam) it'll help me make a case with the bigger guys.

Cheers,
Tony
 
I would be a +1 on the Steam version but not on an unknown quantity. I think the whole idea is a bit skewed because Steam users would generally be looking to see what discount is on offer from Steam itself.

If you truly want to see what people want you should do the same but with already released titles.
 
I would be a +1 on the Steam version but not on an unknown quantity. I think the whole idea is a bit skewed because Steam users would generally be looking to see what discount is on offer from Steam itself.

If you truly want to see what people want you should do the same but with already released titles.

Totally valid feedback, and we're absolutely going to be offering the solution for already released products during one of our upcoming promotions. The point on this one though is that, for the past several months we've consistently had a better offer on pre-sells/new releases for most of our titles and then followed that with better sales shortly after release. There are a ton of people out there pre-ordering/buying on Day 1, we want to give them the best options available to do so through us.

My current go-to example for this is Risen 2. That game was number 1/2 on Steam for like 3 days when it released, and it was $5 more expensive. We were offering the exact same thing (Steam activated, extra DLC for pre-order, etc).

We definitely did OK on Risen 2 but would have loved to shift some of that demand :).

Cheers,
Tony
 
Some people are way too tied into steam being the only way to buy their games. I had to do a lot of convincing to get my friends to give amazon a try. Some people were surprised you could just get the cpdes and download from steam or origin if the want.

Edit: heck, I was surprised to see that amazon got a sales thread here.
 
I'm just glad we have a retailer as strong as Amazon who's relatively pro-steam, or is at least more than ok with working alongside them in what seems like friendly competition.

Whereas it seems like almost everyone else wants to crush steam into the ground and piss on its grave. And more often than not that attitude ends up hurting the customer, whether it's a cheap knock off service like Origin or some other service that forces ridiculous DRM. Amazon has the money and power to make things pretty nasty for Steam if they wanted to push in that direction but I like what they're doing now.
 
My current go-to example for this is Risen 2. That game was number 1/2 on Steam for like 3 days when it released, and it was $5 more expensive. We were offering the exact same thing (Steam activated, extra DLC for pre-order, etc).

We definitely did OK on Risen 2 but would have loved to shift some of that demand :).

Well the top sellers list on Steam is based on global purchases whereas Amazon is limited to a single country. That's why, no matter how much better your offer might have been, a huge number of customers would go to Steam anyway. Not to mention the fact that almost every new release lands up in the top sellers list of Steam anyway, and big releases like this one almost always hold the top spot for a while.

I'd just like to thank you again for talking with us Tony. It's nice to be able to have some perspective on these things from your point of view as a retailer.
 
I'm just glad we have a retailer as strong as Amazon who's relatively pro-steam, or is at least more than ok with working alongside them in what seems like friendly competition.

Whereas it seems like almost everyone else wants to crush steam into the ground and piss on its grave. And more often than not that attitude ends up hurting the customer, whether it's a cheap knock off service like Origin or some other service that forces ridiculous DRM. Amazon has the money and power to make things pretty nasty for Steam if they wanted to push in that direction but I like what they're doing now.

Yeah, like I said, we don't care where you play your games, as long as you enjoy them and they work. We definitely want customers to check us out as their retail solution though, as more often than not our prices, customer support, and checkout solutions are best in business.

Some people are way too tied into steam being the only way to buy their games. I had to do a lot of convincing to get my friends to give amazon a try. Some people were surprised you could just get the cpdes and download from steam or origin if the want.

Edit: heck, I was surprised to see that amazon got a sales thread here.

We totally acknowledge that, it isn't a reason for us not to try and reach those customers though. Especially when we can find people like you who are willing to talk to their personal network of gamers and help explain to them why there are lots of reasons (listed above) why customers should shop with us :).

Well the top sellers list on Steam is based on global purchases whereas Amazon is limited to a single country. That's why, no matter how much better your offer might have been, a huge number of customers would go to Steam anyway. Not to mention the fact that almost every new release lands up in the top sellers list of Steam anyway, and big releases like this one almost always hold the top spot for a while.

I'd just like to thank you again for talking with us Tony. It's nice to be able to have some perspective on these things from your point of view as a retailer.

Hey no worries man, we're trying to build a real hub for gamers to come discover games, read reviews, make purchase decisions and feel comfortable with what they are buying. It is hard to do that if you only speak corpo and don't interact with the people you want to use your service :).

Cheers,
Tony
 
Two things here Tony. First thanks a bunch for getting us so many great deals. I have bought quite a few games that I was interested in playing, but did not want to spend the full $50 on it. Second, would it be possible to get The Settlers 7 on a weekly deal? I have been wanting to get that game, but would like to pick up the gold edition on the cheep. Thanks again ^_^
 
Two things here Tony. First thanks a bunch for getting us so many great deals. I have bought quite a few games that I was interested in playing, but did not want to spend the full $50 on it. Second, would it be possible to get The Settlers 7 on a weekly deal? I have been wanting to get that game, but would like to pick up the gold edition on the cheep. Thanks again ^_^

Glad you're digging the deals! I'll have to get back to you on the Settlers 7, I don't have anything slated yet but I'll reach out on it.

Cheers,
Tony
 
?? Sorry I'm not sure what the reference is.

Cheers,
Tony

He's talking about this.

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http://kotaku.com/5909109/gamestop-admits-defeat-starts-selling-steam-vouchers
 
Yeah those ^.

Supposedly gamestop will start selling them on the 15th, though I guess for now it's still just a rumor. The pic looks genuine though.
 

Yeah those ^.

Supposedly gamestop will start selling them on the 15th, though I guess for now it's still just a rumor. The pic looks genuine though.

Hmm, I read a lot of Kotaku and didn't see that.

EDIT: Realize I didn't actually answer the question. I don't have anything on any of my calendars/trackers/documents on this.

Cheers,
Tony
 
I hope they don't sell the Steam vouchers. Shamefully, my reasoning is fanboyish. I want Amazon's DD to be even bigger and really give Steam a run for their money and having Steam cards on sale at Amazon doesn't feel right. Not a big fan of Steam in general.
 
If this happens then everyone will start selling them unless Valve just wants to limit this deal with just Gamestop, for whatever reason. Tony said it right here they're not in this to interfere with Steam, just to be a retailer that sells everything and I appreciate them for that. Too many people are in this to hurt Steam and the consumer, including your favorites Heavy (origin/GFWL).

Hmm, I read a lot of Kotaku and didn't see that.

EDIT: Realize I didn't actually answer the question. I don't have anything on any of my calendars/trackers/documents on this.

Cheers,
Tony

Thanks for commenting anyway Tony. I'm interested to see how this situation evolves because Steam vouchers being sold on Amazon would be an even bigger help for me than Gamestop, as I normally utilize Amazon's services and trade in store more than Gamestop.
 
I added money to my steam account one time (quite a bit), but with amazon all I have to do is click buy and choose my card/address/confirm (I don't know, having my card on amazon feels safer and more useful than a game only store). Buying steam cards to spend money on steam would make buying on steam easier, but amazon usually match the deal they may have. It seems like a tough situation, unless amazon get a good cut of the steam cards.

The good thing about amazon though is that they sell everything (and have amazing customer service). It's my only online store. I bought a mp3 player for a friend this week when I probably could have found it at the store (doubt they would beat the deal on amazon though).
 
Too many people are in this to hurt Steam and the consumer, including your favorites Heavy (origin/GFWL).

Jesus Christ! Stop taking it all so personally! Unless Gabe's a close family member of yours, I find the "poor lickle steam getting hurt by the big nasty competitors" argument ridiculous.

You're a consumer first and foremost. Competition is great for consumers. I hope Origin continues to prosper and in fact really steps their game up, because it will force Steam to follow suit.
 
You're a consumer first and foremost. Competition is great for consumers. I hope Origin continues to prosper and in fact really steps their game up, because it will force Steam to follow suit.

Steam is constantly stepping their game up with no competition and Origin will forever be shit because it is run buy EA. And the competition that EA provides is not great for consumers on any level.
 
Origin will forever be shit because it is run buy EA.

Conjecture.

And the competition that EA provides is not great for consumers on any level.
But what about the competition provided by, for example, GOG? They completely embarrassed Steam this week by providing a recently released game DRM free with all available DLC at a much more competitive price than Steam managed to. It doesn't strike me as coincidental that a day after the announcement Steam suddenly announced a midweek deal on exactly the same game?

That's the point. Competition is making things better for the consumer just as long as you don't put all of your eggs into the Gabe's valve rental basket.
 
But what about the competition provided by, for example, GOG? They completely embarrassed Steam this week by providing a recently released game DRM free with all available DLC at a much more competitive price than Steam managed to. It doesn't strike me as coincidental that a day after the announcement Steam suddenly announced a midweek deal on exactly the same game?

That's the point. Competition is making things better for the consumer just as long as you don't put all of your eggs into the Gabe's valve rental basket.

I haven't seen Origin/EA trying to be competitive (or 'embarrass Steam') at all. Instead, they're making their newer games requiring Origin/EA Account and pulling some other (DA2 and Crysis 2) from Steam, which doesn't make things better for the consumer at all. And they're supposedly in this business way longer than GOG/CDProjekt.

I'm all for competition and diversifying your egg portfolio (heck, I have 5 clients installed in my computer), but so far I haven't seen a reason to invest in Origin basket at all.
 
Jesus Christ! Stop taking it all so personally! Unless Gabe's a close family member of yours, I find the "poor lickle steam getting hurt by the big nasty competitors" argument ridiculous.

You're a consumer first and foremost. Competition is great for consumers. I hope Origin continues to prosper and in fact really steps their game up, because it will force Steam to follow suit.

When the competition is run by people like MS and EA, it doesn't benefit me one bit. EA putting BF3 up for $20 when it's not offered on Steam doesn't mean anything to me, but just buying games from anyone for the cheapest possible is an extremely shortsighted way to do things and when EA inevitably screws you or let's some hacker screw you because they have shit security, then you'll deserve it. You don't make deals with the devil and normally get away with no damage.
 
Conjecture.
Point out to me one consumer friendly move that EA has made in recent years and I will point out 10 that hurt the consumer.

But what about the competition provided by, for example, GOG? They completely embarrassed Steam this week by providing a recently released game DRM free with all available DLC at a much more competitive price than Steam managed to. It doesn't strike me as coincidental that a day after the announcement Steam suddenly announced a midweek deal on exactly the same game?
It wasn't the day after, it was literally 3 hours later and Steam had the exact same price as GOG and all versions of the game come with that DLC. Amazon had it for 15$ too. I'm not sure anyone was embarrassed by GOG.

But that is good competition as anyone was able to get it for that price on the DD platform they wanted.
 
Conjecture.


But what about the competition provided by, for example, GOG? They completely embarrassed Steam this week by providing a recently released game DRM free with all available DLC at a much more competitive price than Steam managed to. It doesn't strike me as coincidental that a day after the announcement Steam suddenly announced a midweek deal on exactly the same game?

That's the point. Competition is making things better for the consumer just as long as you don't put all of your eggs into the Gabe's valve rental basket.

Seems expected since they added the pre-order for American Nightmare the same day, rather than "Omg GOG did this we need to as well!" Deals on Steam aren't just decided by Valve, they usually get approval and set up things with publishers.
 
They *always* get approval. Valve doesn't function like a retail store, and I doubt GOG does either. They both have to contact and get approval from a publisher every time a price is changed.

Well Valve doesn't have to get approval from itself! o:

But yeah that's what I meant. Because it'd be easy to piss off publishers and lose support from them if you just did it with no discussion and approval.
 
Conjecture.


But what about the competition provided by, for example, GOG? They completely embarrassed Steam this week by providing a recently released game DRM free with all available DLC at a much more competitive price than Steam managed to. It doesn't strike me as coincidental that a day after the announcement Steam suddenly announced a midweek deal on exactly the same game?

That's the point. Competition is making things better for the consumer just as long as you don't put all of your eggs into the Gabe's valve rental basket.

The Steam version had all available DLC, too. Both Gog and Steam sales were probably initiated by Remedy.

Gog is great, but it is a different kind of competition to Steam than Origin or GFWL, primarily because of the backers. EA and Microsoft both have histories of cornering the market via money and not by having a decidedly better product. Valve has a history of releasing the best product on the market at the time, then iterating in whatever ways they want, regardless of what competitors are doing.
 
Valve has a history of releasing the best product on the market at the time, then iterating in whatever ways they want, regardless of what competitors are doing.

But this basically hits right at the core of my GAF annoyance (not aimed at you directly BTW) - let's just say in some mythical universe, EA became a super consumer friendly totally awesome gaming company with the best DD client around? In that (yes, unlikely) scenario, GAF would still be clinging to Steam because whether it was true or not it would be regarded as "the best product on the market at the time".

Blind devotion to anything really bothers and rankles with me. So called "good" companies can turn evil at the drop of a hat. There's precedent: Apple did it, SCO did it, Google appear to be doing it.. who's to say that Valve won't suddenly become amazingly anti-consumer and alienating ten years down the line? Is it likely? Probably not. Is it possible? Absolutely, because Valve at the end of the day are a business, and first and foremost a business will do whatever is in it's interest to make money. We cannot assume that just because Valve and Steam are harmless now, it won't remain that case indefinitely.

And that is the reason that I don't really make a distinction between Steam, Origin, Impulse.... hell even Onlive and companies like blockbuster or netflix. You're basically paying for a right to play that game and it is not a permanent right. In fact, it's more akin to a rental system than a purchase system.

At least with GOG, you have the game on your system locked away and nobody can ever take that away from you. With Steam et al, all it takes is for one legal challenge related to the most obtuse of reasons, and Valve can pull the game off the servers, and you'll never see it again, with no recourse to get your money back.

In my (twisted?) logic, if digital distribution is the future, it's only really viable in the long term if we can actually keep the titles we have paid for in some local form. This is why I'm pro-GOG and ambivalent (but I stress - NOT AVERSE) to cloud based DD methods, such as Steam. In addition, for me, having Steam as a "default setting" is a worrying precedent as no one company should be the "gatekeeper" for an entire format's output. Atari tried it, and failed. Nintendo tried it, and failed. Sega tried it and failed (in fact that's where EA came from - making at the time "unauthorised" cartridges for the Genesis). Look at the barrel that Apple have the music industry over with iTune's lock-in and dominance for an example of why this is a bad idea.

In short: Competition is good, because it keeps everyone, INCLUDING Valve in check. The existing DD method is not a purchase opportunity but a rental opportunity, and one that is unlikely to stand up when it inevitably gets it's first trial in a court of law.

Lastly: Google and read up on re-digi. It's a landmark case taking place now that should go some way to defining the law in terms of digital content ownership. It points out some key contradictions that currently exist with the current digital distribution models for music, movies, books and games, and will clarify exactly where the consumer stands in terms of rights of purchase and resale. If the courts do rule in favour of a consumer, Valve could be potentially liable to introduce a method to allow a consumer to re-sell a digitally distributed game. Do you think they will in that circumstance, or do you think they'll just change the wording of their TOS to "re brand" as a pure games rental service?
 
Hmm, I read a lot of Kotaku and didn't see that.

EDIT: Realize I didn't actually answer the question. I don't have anything on any of my calendars/trackers/documents on this.

Cheers,
Tony

Hey, Tony, any chance of getting a DD version of Diablo III up for pre-order? I'd love to buy one from you guys for $55, and I could just enter the key into Battle.net :)
 
But this basically hits right at the core of my GAF annoyance (not aimed at you directly BTW) - let's just say in some mythical universe, EA became a super consumer friendly totally awesome gaming company with the best DD client around? In that (yes, unlikely) scenario, GAF would still be clinging to Steam because whether it was true or not it would be regarded as "the best product on the market at the time".

People also love to see other people fall. If EA really had the better product, you'd hear about it. Hell, when Origin was giving away free games at the beginning, people on Reddit were going crazy with saying how it was better than Steam. Of course, now, that gravy train is over as EA has done the market-tested amount of goodwill for the year.

Sure, there is some brand loyalty, but a decidedly better product would sway over all but the hardest fanboys (whose population has been greatly exaggerated anyway).

Blind devotion to anything really bothers and rankles with me. So called "good" companies can turn evil at the drop of a hat. There's precedent: Apple did it, SCO did it, Google appear to be doing it.. who's to say that Valve won't suddenly become amazingly anti-consumer and alienating ten years down the line? Is it likely? Probably not. Is it possible? Absolutely, because Valve at the end of the day are a business, and first and foremost a business will do whatever is in it's interest to make money. We cannot assume that just because Valve and Steam are harmless now, it won't remain that case indefinitely.

This is like worrying that every person you meet is going to kill you. "But they're really nice!" Sure, for now. Valve has a long way to fall and its descent will be well telegraphed. The first step is the company going public.

In short: Competition is good, because it keeps everyone, INCLUDING Valve in check. The existing DD method is not a purchase opportunity but a rental opportunity, and one that is unlikely to stand up when it inevitably gets it's first trial in a court of law.

Can you give us one piece of evidence that Valve pays attention to its competition, though? The one example you gave was incorrect. The kind of competition you're talking about is not going to come from an EA or a Microsoft (not right now, at least). Gog is another story, but they're too marginal of a player right now.
 
But this basically hits right at the core of my GAF annoyance (not aimed at you directly BTW) - let's just say in some mythical universe, EA became a super consumer friendly totally awesome gaming company with the best DD client around? In that (yes, unlikely) scenario, GAF would still be clinging to Steam because whether it was true or not it would be regarded as "the best product on the market at the time".

Blind devotion to anything really bothers and rankles with me. So called "good" companies can turn evil at the drop of a hat. There's precedent: Apple did it, SCO did it, Google appear to be doing it.. who's to say that Valve won't suddenly become amazingly anti-consumer and alienating ten years down the line? Is it likely? Probably not. Is it possible? Absolutely, because Valve at the end of the day are a business, and first and foremost a business will do whatever is in it's interest to make money. We cannot assume that just because Valve and Steam are harmless now, it won't remain that case indefinitely.

And that is the reason that I don't really make a distinction between Steam, Origin, Impulse.... hell even Onlive and companies like blockbuster or netflix. You're basically paying for a right to play that game and it is not a permanent right. In fact, it's more akin to a rental system than a purchase system.
kurt "crystal ball" russel.

Your tinfoil hat theory is based on too many assumptions. So you just KNOW that if Steam turned shit and Valve turns evil, "gaf" would just blindly support it, and consider it the best thing ever. This is a common fact and an axiom, amirite?

Sorry to break it to you, but as it is now, Steam IS the best DD platform out there. It arguably has the most features and offers the most number of advantages. You don't need to be some blind diehard to acknowledge this.

And really, getting riled up in advance by some potential scenario that may or may not happen is just stupid.
 
Lots of healthy discussion going on here, none of which I'm going to comment on ;). Instead I'll tell you about some upcoming deals:


Here’s the Deal of the Week landing page
. Pricing will flip on Sunday 5/13 around 12:30AM (and be live all day on 5/13-5/19). Purchase any one of these items and get $1.50 towards Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter - Legend of the Beast DLC Pack

Serious Sam 3 – $9.99 (75% off)

Serious Sam 3 4 pack - $30

Serious Sam 2 - $2.50 (75% off)

Serious Sam 2 4 pack – $7.50

Serious Sam HD: The First Encounter - $3.74 (75% off)

Serious Sam HD: the First encounter 4 Pack - $9.99

Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter
- $4.99 (75% off)

Serious Sam HD: the Second encounter 4 Pack - $14.99

Serious Sam: The Random Encounter - $1.24 (75% off)

Serious Sam: The Random Encounter 4 Pack - $3.99

Serious Sam Double D - $1.99 (75% off)

Serious Sam Double D 4 Pack - $5.99

These all activate on Steam, so for the 4 packs, we'll just give you 4 steam keys and you can do with them as you please.

Happy Gaming everyone, hope you're all looking forward to Sunday!

Cheers,
Tony
 
He.......just posted them?

There is supposed to be a MAYhem sale next week, starting on Wednesday I think. There will be MMOs on sale and Alan Wake for half off (which I think is live already).

Nope, Alan Wake it's still at $29.99, but I'll definitely get it for $15 if it goes on sale.

Well its for sure on sale next week. Both Final Fantasy MMOs, I think Rift, and Square games will all be on sale. Also Alice and Syndicate.

it was on sale this week, the price was changed to $30.00 this morning

Steam sale it is!

Alan Wake is still 50% off/$15 at GOG

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/alan_wake

No DRM, meaning The Man can't steal your shit

Yep, the MAYHem! Sale starts next week (either Wednesday or Thursday). Regarding Alan Wake, it will be $14.99 again during that sale.

Cheers,
Tony
 
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