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Amazon discontinuing support for older Kindle models

Banjo64

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Received this email myself the other day, having just sold my Kindle 5th gen the other month and having swapped over to a Kobo device.



Seems absolutely insane. Not sure how this is legal to be honest, I know you sign terms and conditions out of your arse hole with these things but would have thought national laws would prevent things like this.
 
Kindle's are such low-tech devices that it just seems wrong to stop supporting them. Kinda like saying all CD players before 2000 can no longer read CDs. Sure they might not be able to read track names, but they can still play music. If older kindles can still read ebooks then at least make sure they can do that even if they can't render some modern changes to the format.

Though it's somewhat moot for any tech savvy person because why the fuck haven't you already jailbroken your Kindle already for a better experience?
 
to be fair i think 14-18 years is enough support. if i could get that much usage out of any modern tech these days i'd be over the moon.

this is like getting upset an iPhone 3G to 5 isn't supported in 2026. the oldest iphone supported today is the iPhone 11 from 2019. and obviously smartphones cost way more than a kindle.

just buy a new ereader. doesn't need to be a kindle. if you don't wanna do that you can always just download/buy books on your phone/computer etc

I saw speculation that this is because they can't put ads on the older devices like they do with the more modern ones.
or maybe because it's been almost 2 decades of support. there have been loads more new models since then and it's a lot to support all devices forever.
 
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to be fair i think 14-18 years is enough support.

this is like getting upset an iPhone 3G to 5 isn't supported in 2026. the oldest iphone supported today is the iPhone 11 from 2019. and obviously smartphones cost way more than a kindle.

just buy a new ereader. doesn't need to be a kindle.

Why buy a new one when if it still reads books fine? They don't need modernizing, they read books. Words on a page with some formatting. What needs to change?

I have books on my shelves that are almost 100 years old. They still work. My Kindle is about 13 years old, it still works. Why should we be throwing shit away to buy new if it still works?

Also my phone is from 2018, still works fine, but apparently I should replace it too.
 
to be fair i think 14-18 years is enough support. if i could get that much usage out of any modern tech these days i'd be over the moon.

this is like getting upset an iPhone 3G to 5 isn't supported in 2026. the oldest iphone supported today is the iPhone 11 from 2019. and obviously smartphones cost way more than a kindle.

just buy a new ereader. doesn't need to be a kindle. if you don't wanna do that you can always just download/buy books on your phone/computer etc


or maybe because it's been almost 2 decades of support. there have been loads more new models since then and it's a lot to support all devices forever.
It's one thing to stop supporting it, it's another to sabotage it. If that piece of hardware no longer interests you, leave it alone. Don't put a fire under the owner's ass so he has to go out and buy another one.
 
Why buy a new one when if it still reads books fine? They don't need modernizing, they read books. Words on a page with some formatting. What needs to change?

I have books on my shelves that are almost 100 years old. They still work. My Kindle is about 13 years old, it still works. Why should we be throwing shit away to buy new if it still works?

Also my phone is from 2018, still works fine, but apparently I should replace it too.
A phone from 2018 is not receiving new OS versions or security updates and is vulnerable to exploits

You wouldn't connect a PC running Windows XP to the Internet because it would be instantly hacked and exploited, why are you still using a phone that old and expecting it to be secure?

This is different from Kindle which only opens books and can't be reasonably expected to have any important personal information
 
Time to download and install Calibre and start surfing for .epubs...(free ones of course)...
Staring Star Wars GIF by Disney+
 
The TLS Wall: Why Your 2007 Kindle Can't "Talk" Anymore
At the heart of this sunset is the deprecation of legacy Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocols. To establish a secure connection to Amazon's servers, a device and a server must perform a "handshake." This process involves agreeing on a version of TLS and a specific cipher suite—the set of algorithms used to encrypt the data.

Older Kindles rely on TLS 1.0 or 1.1. In the current security landscape, these are considered porous. Modern servers, adhering to IEEE and IETF security standards, have shifted almost exclusively to TLS 1.2 and 1.3. When an original Kindle attempts to connect, the server rejects the handshake because the device cannot support the modern, more complex cryptographic primitives required for the session.

It is a binary failure.

Updating this via software is rarely an option. The original Kindle and its immediate successors operate on extremely constrained ARM-based Systems on a Chip (SoC) with minuscule amounts of RAM. Implementing a modern TLS stack requires more memory and processing power than these early chips possess. You cannot simply "patch" a 2007-era processor to handle the compute-heavy requirements of modern asymmetric encryption without inducing catastrophic latency or total system crashes.


Speculation from a site I'm unsure of.
 
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Speculation from a site I'm unsure of.

All sounds valid, but could have been a long time consideration for such a device.

The Kindle doesn't need to connect directly to servers via the internet to update books. Calibre presents a perfectly fine solution for getting books via local wifi or direct cable to PC. So Amazon could continue to support putting books on any device via some legacy means.

Sure, stop the service of purchasing books directly, block books with modern features. It could still have been a sales path for Amazon there. Got to Amazon.com buy a book, download it to the PC and connect your Kindle via USB to put it on. More dollars in Amazon's pocket.
 
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You can get a discount on a new model, though.

I have the paperwhite 4 and still use it regularly. Battery is not that good anymore (have to reload after one longer book), but still a nice and small device.
Can even upload my own files via the kindle app on iPhone.
 
All sounds valid, but could have been a long time consideration for such a device.

The Kindle doesn't need to connect directly to servers via the internet to update books. Calibre presents a perfectly fine solution for getting books via local wifi or direct cable to PC. So Amazon could continue to support putting books on any device via some legacy means.

Sure, stop the service of purchasing books directly, block books with modern features. I could still have been a sales path for Amazon there. Got to Amazon.com buy a book, download it to the PC and connect your Kindle via USB to put it on. More dollars in Amazon's pocket.
Yeah their DRM just doesn't allow that sort of transferring anymore even for the brand new models.

They lose money on the devices themselves which to some extent justify the lockdown.
 
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just use the fucking public library, shit is free in most civilised countries.

Why anyone pays so much for digital books is beyond me
 
just use the fucking public library, shit is free in most civilised countries.

Why anyone pays so much for digital books is beyond me
It's really not that expensive. Having dozens of books on a small device is convenient.

I paid $150 for my Kindle a few years ago and a lot of the books I buy are $5. At most I think I've paid $15.
 
Amazon must know who still has these old devices and if they are still actively downloading books to them. I suspect that there are VERY few of these devices still in current use, so few that they can basically just cut them off without even running an upgrade campaign specifically for these users to sustain good will. I had some OG kindles and damn, the new ones just blow them out of the water, well worth the upgrade for the speed of page change, smaller form factor, crisper letters, waterproofness, and the back light.

Pretty sure you can just keep the device offline and manually load books to it as well.
 
Isn't it possible to hack a Kindle so that you can load epubs to it through Calibre? They'll be perfectly usable no matter what Amazon plans to do. Just strip the DRM from your purchased books.

Received this email myself the other day, having just sold my Kindle 5th gen the other month and having swapped over to a Kobo device.



Seems absolutely insane. Not sure how this is legal to be honest, I know you sign terms and conditions out of your arse hole with these things but would have thought national laws would prevent things like this.

I have the Kobo Libra 2 and I'll keep it until it crumbles in my hands. I thought about a Kindle until I realized what a troublesome device it can be, while Kobos give you much more freedom without any hacks.
 
just use the fucking public library, shit is free in most civilised countries.

Why anyone pays so much for digital books is beyond me

I use a Kobo to download library books. Most non-amazon books lack DRM unless the publisher enables it. I only buy copies of books I like or are not available at the library.
 
It's one thing to not get security updates or new features, it's another thing entirely to not be able to purchase, borrow, or download new books.
Prime example of built in obsolescence. Modern tech sucks donkey balls.
 
I appreciate that 14-18yrs is a very long time to support a device, but at the same time it's just text on a page, it shouldn't be hard to maintain that.
 
If a device still works it should be allowed to continue to work. It's not like a smartphone where you use it for everything and a very old OS version can be a major security concern. You're literally reading books.

I hope people know how to upload books and read them offline. ;)
 
to be fair i think 14-18 years is enough support. if i could get that much usage out of any modern tech these days i'd be over the moon.

this is like getting upset an iPhone 3G to 5 isn't supported in 2026. the oldest iphone supported today is the iPhone 11 from 2019. and obviously smartphones cost way more than a kindle.

just buy a new ereader.
doesn't need to be a kindle. if you don't wanna do that you can always just download/buy books on your phone/computer etc


Fucking hell, dude.

Forcing you to change a working electronic device is wong. Changing your mobile phone every 5-7 years IS WRONG TOO.

I can't believe people looking at programmed obsolescence and saying "it's fine". No, it's not. More so, when our beloved overlords say out loud that we are going through a chip/RAM crisis and what not. FUCK THEM. They should be fined to oblivion.
 
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