Chittagong
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Amazon is officially gaining creative control of the James Bond franchise
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GymWolf
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No it's jesus.
Mr Reasonable
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I'm pretty sure that if you asked someone who they'd like to direct the next film in a big series he'd be top of the list for all of them!
But I'm pretty sure I read that he was in talks to direct a Daniel Craig Bond film but insisted on final cut which they wouldn't sign over to him.
It'll be interesting to see for sure if they can get something agreed.
Do we...?
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SJRB
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Warspite
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That might have been a Broccoli and Wilson control measure. I dont think Amazon will care that much, they will just want the publicity of working with Nolan.
Mr Reasonable
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Yes, I think even at the time, it was said that everyone was ok to sign off bar those you mention and I think you're right that Amazon will be much more likely to give away control to someone with as much cache as Nolan.
But on the other hand, the scrutiny on their first time round with the franchise will be intense. It could make them unexpectedly conservative, at first at least. Bond has the potential to be a bit of a poisoned chalice - go too far in a new direction / try to innovate too much and you'll get accused of not knowing what the franchise is supposed to be and upsetting fans. Mirror too closely what's come before and you'll be accused of not having any ideas of your own, and why bother wrestling it away to do something by the numbers.
Through that lens, when you consider the Craig entries to the franchise, they've actually done a remarkable job of broadening the character and creating a modern take on the franchise in the most recent era. Skyfall and Casino Royale are the best rated Bond films on IMDB, three are in the top five, and only one is outside the top ten. By that Metric, the most recent era of Bond has been the most consistently successful run ever. With that in mind, I think that though Amazon might be prepared to give Nolan (or whoever) final cut, I would imagine there'll be numerous ways of putting controls in place to make sure it doesn't veer too far off course - which could put off Nolan, and make the whole thing a no go, once again.
Warspite
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I want you to be right in that they will give the movies the effort they deserve but the likes of Ring of Power (and does anyone remember citadel?) now hangs over every Amazon project like a bad smell. They spent so much on it only to give it to 2 nobodies and its failed to get them the results I sure they wanted. I don't think they have the benefit of doubt their side any more.
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Badlucktroll
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Didnt the broccolis turn down quentin tarantino doing the last brosnan movie and they also turned down christopher nolan, and danny boyle? yikes
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Stitch
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License to Shill: Inside Amazon’s 007 Takeover
It’s the Bond movies’ most shocking plot twist in decades. But will the tech giant’s surprise buyout of the franchise prove deadly? Or could it breathe new life into cinema’s most famous spy?
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DAHGAMING
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I like Cavill as Bond, Hardy would be a good Bond Villan.
Majima Everywhere System
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There are plenty of different and enjoyable Bond movies to be ok never receiving another good one. This isn’t the original Star Wars trilogy.
Hudo
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I can actually see that. Good idea.
Cyberpunkd
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The last one was endless bloat, even Cruise looked bored in that movie.
Lunarorbit
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I just saw a headline that ruined the ending of that movie. Oh well I guess.
I have no faith in a james bond tv show or in jeff bezos not to fuck this up.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I wonder how far along they were with a shortlist for a new Bond when Amazon took over and if those names that had already been crossed off are now back on the maybe list.
The thing with Cavill is that he's already quite well known, but doesn't really have the air of success about him. If you look at his filmography, the films that could have catapulted him into the mainstream AAA star area didn't really happen.
He took the step to become a star of a netflix show, which is not a sign of a star in it's ascendancy and then quit to be Superman again, only to have that fall through. He was in 3 films last year, one of which was Deadpool, the other two were Argyle and The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. Neither of which were hits, afaik.
Arguably, he needs Bond more than they might need him because the role brings it's own attention and arguably doesn't need a huge household name. Also going against him is that Daniel Craig was 38 when Casino Royale came out. Cavill is 41 and could easily be 43 by the time a film came out if he was announced today. No time to die was due to come out in 2020 when Craig was 52 (delayed due to COVID). If Cavill followed the same path, they'd have him for a decade before needing to recast. I'm not sure they won't want to go for someone mid 30's to get the most out of investing in and establishing an actor.
I also think that if he'd been considered as right for the role, they'd probably already have him signed up, it's been 6 years at least since it was known that Daniel Craig's final Bond film would be NTTD. If Cavill were a serious contender, I don't see why they'd hang around.
So, my guess is that it's not going to be Cavill.
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MrCunningham
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Two franchises that I noticed Amazon has taken over are Bond and Robocop. On youtube, I am getting a lot more Robocop clips from Amazon-MGM or whatever. Who knows what this will mean for both?
Lets see if they can do better than the 90's Robocop show...
I must have watched this thing but for the life of me can't remember any of it.
Damn, was there a Cortana type digital character? Andrea Roth.....oh man she was honey back then
DeafTourette
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Do you like Reacher? The Boys? The Terminal List? Invincible? Jack Ryan? The Legend of Vox Machina? Upload? Fallout?
I think they get MORE right than they get wrong (rings of power).
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Lunarorbit
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I don't want a James bond tv show. Or Aaron Taylor Johnson as much as I love Americans taking British roles.
Reacher, night manager, the night agent, that other netflix one. These are all good shows but they ape the bond atmosphere too much. I'm not confident that a money penny tv show is needed.
Sonik
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Reacher turned into complete slop on season 2 when the amazon exec morons touched it same as The Boys which was still tolerable until season 2, Terminal List is pretty good dudebro show, let's see what happens now it's on amazon's radar, Jack Ryan is as forgettable as they come, Fallout is overrated pointless slop with amazing special effects and sets, Invincible is decent. Overall Amazon is not as terrible as Netflix but still crap and can't even compare with 80s, 90s and 00s movie studios because their execs are fucking imbeciles
AJUMP23
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I never even finished Jack Ryan. they just went full silly with the terrorist are just misunderstood.
Ahh, you gotta get back into it. He drives a nuke into a car tunnel at one point to minimize the explosion! It's great.
My only regret on that show is they tease his future wife in S1 and then they almost completely drop any pretense of trying to tie the show back into the books other than his buddy Greer.
Sonik
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I literally can't remember anything from the show, the only thing I can is telling myself that the characters and plot are so fucking generic that it makes sense why I forgot the previous season. I can't even remember which seasons I've watched, there's literally nothing memorable in the show so that your brain retains the info as something special.
Btw I thought I was getting senile until I started watching older stuff and I remembered them perfectly. Even new ones where the creators do something bold, like the scene in Terminal List where Reece
disembowels that pierce of shit
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AJUMP23
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I do remember in season one he went on some dates....and then I don't remember her ever showing up in season 2.
This was the crux of Quentin's rant about TV. These long form serialized shows can't deliver an emotional payout in a time scale we can really appreciate, unlike a film, but they also don't thrive in the moment like an episodic show that can give you a digestible bit of content you can hold on to (like the Soup Guy bit from Seinfeld). So they all end up being a homogenized signal in our brain of "yeah, stuff happened, can't really remember what exactly" that even if you enjoyed it while watching, it leaves no impact.
I think "modern" prestige TV is killing itself and the death of the ensemble episodic show is a two hit blow to TV. No one is gonna ago back to watch these serialized shows because ultimately you can sum it a whole season with episode 1 and episode 10, everything in between is largely filler. There is no comfort there like firing up ST:TNG or Friends to just get a 20-40 minute hit of the warm fuzzies. Nor is there the rewatchability of film which seems positively ballistic in terms of plotting and characterization because they can't spend 45 minutes delving into why each character is slightly tragic.
Without a reliable back catalogue, services need to constantly produce slop to fill time, and that exacerbates this issue because all the talent is spread too thin. Getting the right writer and actors and producers is impossible now.