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Amazon is preparing to fire 35000 people

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Amazon (AMZN.O), opens new tab is planning to cut as many as 30,000 corporate jobs beginning on Tuesday, as the company pares expenses and compensates for overhiring during the peak demand of the pandemic, according to three people familiar with the matter.
The figure represents a small percentage of Amazon's 1.55 million total employees, but nearly 10% of its roughly 350,000 corporate employees. This would mark Amazon's largest job cut since late 2022, when it started to eliminate around 27,000 positions.
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Amazon has been trimming smaller numbers of jobs over the past two years across multiple divisions, including devices, communications and podcasting. The cuts beginning this week may affect a variety of divisions, including human resources, known as People Experience and Technology or PXT; operations, devices and services; and Amazon Web Services, the people said.
Managers of impacted teams were asked to undergo training on Monday for how to communicate with staff following email notifications that will start going out on Tuesday morning, the people said.

Amazon CEO Andy Jassy is undertaking an initiative to reduce what he has described as an excess of bureaucracy, including by reducing the number of managers. He installed an anonymous complaint line for identifying inefficiencies that has elicited some 1,500 responses and over 450 process changes, he said earlier this year.
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Jassy said in June that the increased use of artificial intelligence tools would likely lead to further job cuts, particularly through automating repetitive and routine tasks.
"This latest move signals that Amazon is likely realizing enough AI-driven productivity gains within corporate teams to support a substantial reduction in force," said Sky Canaves, an eMarketer analyst. "Amazon has also been under pressure in the short-term to offset the long-term investments in building out its AI infrastructure."
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The full scope of this round of job cuts was not immediately clear. The people familiar with the matter said the number could change over time as Amazon's financial priorities shift. Fortune earlier reported that the human resources division could be targeted with a cut of roughly 15%.
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That is a lot of people losing their jobs and it's probably not the end of it, as more people will soon be replaced by AI.
 
AI won't save the CEO class when they've fired everyone into poverty and they get dragged out of their gated mansions and strung up to the nearest tree.

...when people have nothing left to lose.
 
Fake said:
Damn... AI will destroy us all.
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Nah, just the useless paper pushers and OF girls.

Learn to plumb!

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Dr.D00p said:
...when people have nothing left to lose.
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People keep saying this but face it, humanity has been conditioned by the elites for decades now, so this will never happen, we'll just accept it and try and live with our main goals being to serve and give to the rich.
 
We have had major technological shifts before that people said would end all work and bring abject poverty. The market shifts, there are growing pains and change can hurt but people adapt and change and find new work and means of labor.
 
AJUMP23 said:
We have had major technological shifts before that people said would end all work and bring abject poverty. The market shifts, there are growing pains and change can hurt but people adapt and change and find new work and means of labor.
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Previous shifts have only really affected the poor, working class who had no power to resist it because the wealthy and powerful wanted it.

AI is coming after every class.
 
Dr.D00p said:
Previous shifts have only really affected the poor, working class who had no power to resist it because the wealthy and powerful wanted it.

AI is coming after every class.
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I don't think I agree with that assertion. Previous shifts have affected the poor in that it has lifted many out of poverty. You did not have to spend your days growing food or making clothes, cost of goods dropped dramatically and made life far more affordable for more people. Leisure activities were increased and the idea of free time created. Technology for the most part has improved lives more than destroyed.
 
I want the 40 million on food stamps to start working. Can we say 40 million on food stamps is ridiculous number of people.
 
AJUMP23 said:
I want the 40 million on food stamps to start working. Can we say 40 million on food stamps is ridiculous number of people.
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I don't want folks cut off from food.

What I DO want is for that food to be nothing but fresh veggies/fruit, rice, beans, specific cuts of meat, whole milk, certain types of bread/flour.

No alcohol, no soda, no candy, no high fructose corn syrup crap, no sugar bomb cereal.

Just wholesome basic food staples that keep you healthy and fed.

There are lots of other things I would make contingent with access to food stamps, but I think the above is the most reasonable and hard to argue against (in good faith).
 
jason10mm said:
I don't want folks cut off from food.

What I DO want is for that food to be nothing but fresh veggies/fruit, rice, beans, specific cuts of meat, whole milk, certain types of bread/flour.

No alcohol, no soda, no candy, no high fructose corn syrup crap, no sugar bomb cereal.

Just wholesome basic food staples that keep you healthy and fed.

There are lots of other things I would make contingent with access to food stamps, but I think the above is the most reasonable and hard to argue against (in good faith).
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I agree to make it just healthy food, so we are not contributing to Obesity. But there is no way 40 million people can't get a job and need gov support to eat. And maybe stop giving welfare to people in the country illegally.

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All of these companies--streaming, food delivery, and e-commerce--who thought that business during the pandemic was going to be sustainable afterwards ... just wow. No reasonable person would have thought that.

They don't want to just make money now -- they want to make ALL THE MONEY, which leads to really stupid-ass decisions. My heart goes out to those losing their jobs. Best of luck to you all.
 
Step 1) undercut what brick and mortar business can sell items for
Step 2) push all the old stores out of business, and their employees to the unemployment line
Step 3) hire those employees to your fulfillment centers where you treat them like subhuman shit and don't pay them enough
Step 4) invest in AI and robotics
Step 5) Fire all those employees

Fuck Amazon. Fuck Bezos. And fuck the government for allowing this bullshit.
 
Its only going to get worse. In my country a lot of big IT companies bailed/closed. Heres hoping I can last a few more years until I saved up some more. If not, well, life sucks and then we die.
 
The director of the last company I worked for announced that he was looking into AI for the business. The office sheep were very happy that it would make the job easier for them. I said if it worked it will replace you, not that they listened of course. Baaaaaa Baaaaaa.

As the years go on those that advised to "learn a trade" are bing proved more right.
 
That's rough. Especially if it's coming in the lead up to Christmas. It goes to show that you shouldn't feel any loyalty to these companies. They'll toss you aside the moment it becomes more convenient to do so.
 
It's heartwarming that lot of families will be able to spend Christmas together and face the new year with exciting work opportunities.
 
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as the company pares expenses and compensates for overhiring during the peak demand of the pandemic
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This line has got to be there to cover that at least some of the jobs are being taken by AI.

"Alexa, how many staff do I have to fire to impress Jeff and get me a promotion?"
 
Mr Reasonable said:
This line has got to be there to cover that at least some of the jobs are being taken by AI.

"Alexa, how many staff do I have to fire to impress Jeff and get me a promotion?"
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You have to be lean. And if you are getting removed you have to adapt. Get new work be willing sometime to take less while you change your skill set.
 
Punished Miku said:
I haven't bought anything from Amazon in like 4 years. Maybe longer.
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Everyone should boycott them - it's not in anyone's best interest (outside of Amazon) for a company to get that big and powerful.

AJUMP23 said:
You have to be lean. And if you are getting removed you have to adapt. Get new work be willing sometime to take less while you change your skill set.
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My point (or guess) is more that we're at a point where job losses to AI are going to start biting, no company will want to be seen to give that as the reason for redundancies because it's so unpopular with the public.
 
Mr Reasonable said:
Everyone should boycott them - it's not in anyone's best interest (outside of Amazon) for a company to get that big and powerful.
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Never been easier to. Even Walmart (the corporate Satan of the 90s) is relatively benign compared to Amazon. Walmart delivers pretty much anything for free without a subscription. Amazon is loaded with junk products. I'm surprised people still use it honestly.
 
I was reading about this the other day and the biggest pushes aren't directly due to ai (but are related and probably worse), they over hired during the pandemic and due the fact they are trying to offset their long term costs to build ai with short term changes. I think that's arguably worse than losing to ai as it means no actual value has been extracted yet, only costs.

It very much leans into ai being a bubble in my mind.
 
Punished Miku said:
I haven't bought anything from Amazon in like 4 years. Maybe longer.
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I haven't bought anything from Amazon on like 4 hours. Maybe longer.

Suddenly my mouse acted like Simone biles and jumped off the table.

spookyfish said:
All of these companies--streaming, food delivery, and e-commerce--who thought that business during the pandemic was going to be sustainable afterwards ... just wow. No reasonable person would have thought that.
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Gaming companies...

I said this before, especially if you work on a per project based company, anyone that got a positions or a promotion in the pandemics aftermath should be worried...
 
Draugoth said:
If the AWS outage showed us anything, is that replacing these people with AI won't go as well as Bezos hopes to.
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The worst thing about big tech companies is that once they see a (barely) functionning demo of a new tech, they want to put it everywhere.
 
While they are using AI as an excuse, hopefully most of this is flushing the blue-hairs out of their system to get back to a results oriented system that is about delivering products to consumers and not "driving social change". Replacing people that just stamp a piece of paper and then give it to another person to stamp seems like a pretty low hanging fruit for AI to automate with fewer humans to audit the results. Same with shipping lots of coder work to India, those are probably the folks going to suffer the most as things like call centers go full AI.

Automated factories and shipping warehouses will replace people, but that hopefully leads to more of these things being built in america so at least the construction, maintenance, and supervision of such places falls to americans. We just gotta have a higher tolerance for the waste run off.
 
I would say keep the 40k people and fire the CEO and replace him with an AI CEO instead and save the big salary he gets. But the AI CEO would probably fire 80k people instead
 
AJUMP23 said:
I want the 40 million on food stamps to start working. Can we say 40 million on food stamps is ridiculous number of people.
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28 percent of them declare earned income.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) - Key Statistics and Research | Economic Research Service

SNAP is the Nation’s largest domestic food and nutrition assistance program for low-income households. This page provides key statistics on program participation and spending, and key findings on participant outcomes and economic linkages.
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SNAP benefits are available to low-income households meeting income and other eligibility criteria. Unlike the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) or child nutrition programs, SNAP is not targeted to specific subgroups. SNAP households are diverse. In FY 2023, 28 percent of SNAP households had earned income; among households with children, 55 percent had earned income.
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Food stamp recipients are also already required to work or be in work training, unless they are taking care of children, in school, or disabled.

 
AJUMP23 said:
And maybe stop giving welfare to people in the country illegally.
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Absolutely agree, while you're at it you can also make sure it's impossible to pay taxes while being an illegal, so it doesn't make it so obvious it's "fake it till you make it (legally)".
 
Cyberpunkd said:
You are right, need to fire more people and drive them into poverty. It's not like Amazon is fucking profitable. Wooooh, capitalism bitch!
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It's because of capitalism these companies where able to achieve so much wealth that they had the luxury to be incredibly inefficient. I mean, they have been doing to same with the warehouse workers. now is hitting these "highly educated" workforce. remember a few years back they were mocking Blue collar workers "learn to Code". But whatever.

what's next?.... the generation of new smaller, flexible and hyper competitive companies 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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