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[Draugoth]

AMD will officially present the performance on February 28.
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• AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT vs 7900 GRE
  • 2560×1440 (Ultra Settings) +38% (average 30+ games)
• AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT vs 7900 GRE
  • 3840×2160 (Ultra Settings) +42% (average 30+ games)
• AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT vs 6900 XT
  • 3840×2160 (Max Settings) +51% (average 30+ games)
• AMD Radeon RX 9070 vs 7900 GRE
  • 2560×1440 (Ultra Settings) +20% (average 30+ games)
• AMD Radeon RX 9070 vs 7900 GRE
  • 3840×2160 (Ultra Settings) +21% (average 30+ games)
• AMD Radeon RX 9070 vs 6800 XT
  • 3840×2160 (Max Settings) +38% (average 30+ games)

 

[acidagfc]

Can anyone give a dollar per frame comparison to Nvidia cards?

 

[Magic Carpet]

Can anyone give a dollar per frame comparison to Nvidia cards?

Until I see FSR4 in action in multiple games It has no comparison.

 

[Pakoe]

I hope AMD succeeds with this launch. This is their best chance with the fucked up nvidia 50 scam series launch.

 

[Majukun]

more interested in the ai performances

 

[CLW]

Soooooo where does that put it against 7900 xt/xtx

 

[Buggy Loop]

Until I see FSR4 in action in multiple games It has no comparison.

Yup

With DLSS 4 transformer model in performance mode reaching higher than CNN DLAA as per hardware unboxed, how do we even approach comparisons now?

Like Tim says, "if DLSS3 Quality is 1440p gaming with high textures, then DLSS4 is 4K gaming with ultra textures", then if FSR4 is CNN model...

I hope AMD succeeds with this launch. This is their best chance with the fucked up nvidia 50 scam series launch.

Peoples want AMD to compete to get lower Nvidia prices and buy Nvidia... They don't have the warchest to make a pricing war with Nvidia.

 

[PeteBull]

Soooooo where does that put it against 7900 xt/xtx

Above 7900xtx/4080s, but below 5080, just keep in mind that 42% above 7900 gre can be bit cherrypicked so actual performance of 9070 xt could be bit worse .

AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE Specs

AMD Navi 31, 2245 MHz, 5120 Cores, 320 TMUs, 160 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2250 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Codeblew]

Peoples want AMD to compete to get lower Nvidia prices and buy Nvidia... They don't have the warchest to make a pricing war with Nvidia.

Maybe on Windows but I am happy with my 6700XT. Nvidia sucks ass on Linux though.

 

[SweetTooth]

Those are some great performance increases!

 

[winjer]

Yup

With DLSS 4 transformer model in performance mode reaching higher than CNN DLAA as per hardware unboxed, how do we even approach comparisons now?

Like Tim says, "if DLSS3 Quality is 1440p gaming with high textures, then DLSS4 is 4K gaming with ultra textures", then if FSR4 is CNN model...

I would love to know how long it took Nvidia to develop and train the Transformer model. But I bet it took them several years.
They probably have a couple of years, of advantage on AMD, Intel, Apple, Qualcomm, etc.
And it doesn't end here, as nvidia stated, there are many years ahead to further develop and improve the Transformer model.
Just like their CNN model has improved a lot since it was launched, until now. The first DLSS2 implementation pales in comparison to the newer DLSS3 CNN model.

 

[hinch7]

Soooooo where does that put it against 7900 xt/xtx

Should be quite close to an XTX or 4080. At least the heavily OC'd versions and in raster. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-gre.c4166

Might try and pick one up at launch.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Soooooo where does that put it against 7900 xt/xtx

Allegedly puts the 9070XT close to 7900XTX and the 9070 at 7900XT levels of performance. RT on the 9070XT and non-XT is likely better than on RDNA3. The question is by how much and how will it stack against RTX 4000 and 5000 cards. Same with FSR4. By how much is it better than FSR 3.1 and how does it stack against DLSS 3 and 4?

Though arguably the biggest elephant in the room is will AMD miss the opportunity to miss an opportunity, i.e. actually get the price right for once?

 

[Boss Mog]

I only care about the raw performance compared to Nvidia's raw performance. I don't give a shit about DLSS or FSR and even less about frame gen.

 

[AGRacing]

Seems to heavily depend on resolution as well… 4K improvement better than 1440 improvement. They’re also factoring in some RT games (which are better than the XTX) along with raster (not quite the XTX).

2970 mhz listed at standard boost clock but 3100 is the boost clock of the top tier cards. Real world clocks could be pretty crazy.

I think you’re looking at an XTX class card with not as much VRAM but far better at upscaling and RT. Thats a great card at any of the theorized prices, frankly.

 

[GHG]

If its priced appropriately then I can see this selling tremendously well, even if FSR4 and RT performance remains behind Nvidia.

I think many people are underestimating just how frustrated a lot of people are becoming with Nvidia and their latest shenanigans.

 

[SABRE220]

If this holds than this is a potentially great card but it all depends on amds pricing. If they price it even remotely close to the 5070ti it's screwed. If they actually want to be competitive for once they have the chance of a decade to actually make a dent in Nvidias market share by pricing this at 550$ reference. If they fumble again and make it 650 or more no one but diehards will buy it due to Nvidias advantage with dlss4, rr and brand presence.

Please amd do right and smart thing for once like the ati days.

 

[Buggy Loop]

If its priced appropriately then I can see this selling tremendously well, even if FSR4 and RT performance remains behind Nvidia.

I think many people are underestimating just how frustrated a lot of people are becoming with Nvidia and their latest shenanigans.

Pity/underdog buying rarely amounts to any meaningful %

Peoples have been saying fuck Nvidia for like what, 20 years? They want competition so Nvidia prices drop down.

 

[kiphalfton]

The fact they're not outright comparing it to 7900 XTX, which is the current best AMD card, seems suspect.


Edit:
Based on guru3d benchmarks (7900 XTX vs 7900 GRE FPS @ 4K)

- Hitman: 202/151 = 1.34
- Assansis Creed: 99/74 = 1.34
- Shadow of TR: 129/91 = 1.42
- Far Cry 6: 124/93 = 1.33

So purportedly the 9070 XT is about ~5% faster than the 7900 XTX, but we'll see. Even if it is actually faster, it also has 8GB less VRAM. So there's that. Still would be let down if it's >$650.

 

[Schmendrick]

Peoples have been saying fuck Nvidia for like what, 20 years? They want competition so Nvidia prices drop down.

Nope people want a real choice and the way things are now AMD is not really a choice but a compromise and no one who can afford better will voluntarily compromise.

 

[RafterXL]

I really wish AMD would get their act together when it comes to ray tracing, like it or not it's here to stay. We need a competitive AMD again to keep Nvidia in check.

 

[FingerBang]

Pity/underdog buying rarely amounts to any meaningful %

Peoples have been saying fuck Nvidia for like what, 20 years? They want competition so Nvidia prices drop down.

Which is funny, because Nvidia doesn't do price cuts. As HU said on Twitter, the issue is that AMD's strategy has been to offer the same performance for slightly cheaper and with worse tech. The only way you can win is by going hard on pricing.

Would people still buy a 5070ti because it has DLSS4 if Nvidia offered a card that is 10-15% faster in raster for $200 less? Basically a card that is 10% slower than a 5080 for almost half the price? Not everyone, but many would. It all comes down to price.

 

[namenotfound]

Leaked official marketing slides so more believable than previous stuff. Coinflip whether I jump on the 9070 or XT

 

[G-DannY]

Leaked official marketing slides so more believable

lol?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Which is funny, because Nvidia doesn't do price cuts. As HU said on Twitter, the issue is that AMD's strategy has been to offer the same performance for slightly cheaper and with worse tech. The only way you can win is by going hard on pricing.

Would people still buy a 5070ti because it has DLSS4 if Nvidia offered a card that is 10-15% faster in raster for $200 less? Basically a card that is 10% slower than a 5080 for almost half the price? Not everyone, but many would. It all comes down to price.

They would if the price of AMD cards was aggressive. Can’t recall the exact card but some 60 or 70 series was dropped in price to be better positioned against an AMD offering.

I member ATI vs Nvidia days too. Thing is AMD doesn’t want that and rightfully so. Why lose margins? They have a base of fans that buy, their console sales is where it’s at for them.

 

[namenotfound]

lol?

You're right I didn't think that through

 

[GHG]

Pity/underdog buying rarely amounts to any meaningful %

Peoples have been saying fuck Nvidia for like what, 20 years? They want competition so Nvidia prices drop down.

The dynamic now is very different to what we've previously had.

Never before have we had these kind of high prices paired with ROP issues, driver issues and severly limited supply. When I was shopping for my 4080 and 4090 I just had to pay relatively high prices (for at the time, now those prices seem reasonable), along with new power supplies for native 12vhpwr support, and didn't have to worry about any of the other issues that have plagued the 50 series launch.

Provided AMD don't monumentally botch the launch of their new generation in some way then they have a decent chance of starting to claw some market share back, at least at the upper midrange level.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Never before have we had these kind of high prices paired with ROP issues, driver issues and severly limited supply.

Do peoples not remember 7000 series driver issues? For 8 months the 7000 series performed worse than 6000 series in VR, on top of having incompatibility with many in demand games such as when Fallout got popular again because of the TV series.

Or their vapor chamber RMA?

Last time AMD said hold my beer for a launch, it won't be a paper launch, it was RDNA 2 and we ended up with the thinnest paper launch of an era, in a period where everything is bought, this series barely nudged its way into steam surveys for years. I want to believe but AMD marketing has somehow always kneecapped themselves.

When I was shopping for my 4080 and 4090 I just had to pay relatively high prices (for at the time, now those prices seem reasonable), along with new power supplies for native 12vhpwr support, and didn't have to worry about any of the other issues that have plagued the 50 series launch.

You have a 4080... there's no upgrade path worth it for you, from either side..

Provided AMD don't monumentally botch the launch of their new generation in some way then they have a decent chance of starting to claw some market share back, at least at the upper midrange level.

The marketing so far has been a fiasco. Inviting media and doing a pre-show presentation to them only to pull the GPU announcement at CES, having AIBs show the card awkwardly on the floor without able to say anything really about it, retailers having boxes of cards for months gathering dust.... I'm sure MLID is saying this is a 4D chess move but that doesn't inspire confidence.

And if it had competed against DLSS 3 maybe.

DLSS 4 transformer model flips the table. Nvidia just gave free performances to all RTX owners while AMD's about to piss off all previous RDNA users by not having FSR 4 for them. Even I don't really have a reason to upgrade anymore with my 3080 Ti for the res I play at. They basically gave me a free generation upgrade via a software update.

Betting on AMD software suite after this tour de force by Nvidia with DLSS 4 seems like a huge risk, but to be seen.

I've been burned by 2 decades of "it'll be this time!" with them. Sorry if I sound cynical. I do recommend AMD cards to friends and colleagues when they make their first PC build though. Hard to beat in price.

 

[lachesis]

If they price this right and FSR4 is somewhat comparable to DLSS3+... then I'm all for it. I need a gaming GPU for my HTPC which has been waiting w/o GPU for a few weeks now.
If FSR4 is good and raytracing is much better & at least on par with Nvidia 40 series - then I may even just go for 9070 non XT.

As per the driver issue - since they've been sitting on it for a while and having only two SKU for RDNA4 so far - I hope they'll deliver this time around.
I know - "hope" is a dangerous word these days, like Red said in Shawshank Redemption.

But pricing is the most important thing - probably for majority of folks. If all of that works out, but 9070 is not cheaper than 5070, at least by 50 bucks - I'm going with 5070.
Same goes to 9070 XT... if it's over $650 and closer to 5070Ti MSRP - I will wait for 5070Ti I think a lot of consumers like me, have this idea of DLSS being the gold standard - so even if FSR4 is quite good, it may take some extra push (like considerably lower price) to convert to AMD. (Or Intel ARC for that matter. If B780 was out already at lower than MSRP 500 bucks, I would have seriously considered it too.)

I know I'm putting a lot of hurdles, but I also do wish AMD and Intel would do well this time around, so that Nvidia either will step up and do better, or just get the fuck out of GPU landscape all together.
I've been with Nvidia for my builds near two decades, but I'm quite disappointed with what has been since 30 series.

Having said so... it seems like days of dedicated GPU maybe slowly coming to an end - seeing such horrendous launch of 50 series. It just seems like Nvidia doesn't care. Poor quality control, ridiculous pricing etc. AMD may just blow this golden chance being AMD. At the same time, advancements in APU have been quite something... like Strix Halo APU's iGpu is close to desktop 4060/mobile 4070 - and if I'm not mistaken, they make more profit margin - and Nvidia is working on APUs too. It seems like that's where the market is heading these days.

 

[Gaiff]

I only care about the raw performance compared to Nvidia's raw performance. I don't give a shit about DLSS or FSR and even less about frame gen.

Stay stuck in 2018 with your "native" resolution with its own sets of problems.