American Missionaries Infected with Ebola to be Brought Home

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It's not war mongers, nuclear weapons or aliens to kill off the human race. It was always going to be the bleeding hearts.

Literal bleeding hearts and other internal organs as they liquefy.
 
Alcoremortis said:
Besides, the Reston strain isn't even really pathogenic to humans.
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Cyber Caesar said:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/airports-have-no-way-to-screen-for-ebola-20140801

Are flights currently arriving from Africa to the states? This is getting kinda reckless. We're smarter than this. Aren't we?
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What to you mean with "from africa"?
of course flights are currently arriving from africa in the USA and will continue to do so.
Africa is huge. It has hundrets of airports.
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While there is no possibilty of screening for ebola itself, aiports in the affected countries have started to take temperature of passengers. Passengers are also ordered to wash their hands in chlorine.
 
QuicheFontaine said:
I was just trying to be helpful, no need to jump all over me. Besides, maybe my lack of medical knowledge frees me from entrenched industry prejudices regarding what is/isn't possible?
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Yeah I think it's a safe bet that your lack of knowledge and experience in medical fields grants you insight that is simply unavailable to specialists. Next can you suggest how NASA might design a spacecraft that travels faster than light? The only qualification you need is to have no qualifications.

(OK my tone was kind of jerky there but I think you're seriously overestimating your chances of hitting the jackpot with a blind intuitive leap.)
 
Not sure why this should scare people unless they think they won't be taking the necessary precautions on the way back. I feel like a lot of people have been watching The Strain recently and think we're all going to become infected because the government can't keep an eye on the known cases. As for the unknowns that are on flights to and from Africa? That's a bigger worry but it's still not an airborne disease and proper hygiene and medical care should negate it short of some major changes.

The other big disease scares in the past were much more worrisome than this one and look how they turned out? This one at least isn't as infectious...

Trust me, I play Plague Inc...
 
QuicheFontaine said:
I was just trying to be helpful, no need to jump all over me. Besides, maybe my lack of medical knowledge frees me from entrenched industry prejudices regarding what is/isn't possible?
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Christ, it's time to stop posting.

I wish I was still young enough to think that this how science works.
 
Bloomberg opinion article about the situation.

Who Invited Ebola to Atlanta?

The announcement that at least one of these Ebola sufferers will be flown to Atlanta didn't mention who made the decision. It seems not to have been a high federal official, because the jet being used is a private charter. And just hours before it took off from Georgia, Tom Frieden, the CDC director, was talking with journalists and gave no hint of the impending action. To the contrary, Frieden stated that such an intervention might be unwise. “There is the potential that the actual movement of the patient could do more harm than the benefit from more advanced supportive care outside of the country,” he said. At the same time, he said the CDC would work with Samaritan’s Purse “to facilitate whatever option they wish to pursue.”

Transporting a victim to the U.S. violates the core containment principle that medical authorities and now militaries are enforcing on west African citizens: quarantine. It brings a contagious Ebola victim to a city of 6 million on a continent never before exposed to the virus. These are weighty considerations Americans should expect their government officials to make. I’d expect the head of the CDC, perhaps the president himself, to be the one to give the go-ahead on a military-facilitated operation, and only after extensive deliberations and consultation of community leaders. Is it instead the case that the CDC went along with “whatever option” Samaritan’s Purse wished to pursue?
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One of the patients is expected to arrive at Emory today.

The patient that's a doctor has received a unit of blood from a boy who survived Ebola sometime before leaving Liberia.
 
East Lake said:
Bloomberg opinion article about the situation.

Who Invited Ebola to Atlanta?
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Article sounds like a lot of BS meant to sound authoritative.

This is not the first time an American with a scary killer virus have been evacuated back to this country, so I don't know what "core principal" or whatever the writer states is being violated.

cbrun44 said:
I live just a few miles from Emory and the CDC. No worries here.
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Yeah. I practically live next door (neighborhood within walking distance to Emory) and I have zero worries.
 
Enron said:
Article sounds like a lot of BS meant to sound authoritative.

This is not the first time an American with a scary killer virus have been evacuated back to this country, so I don't know what "core principal" or whatever the writer states is being violated.




Yeah. I practically live next door (neighborhood within walking distance to Emory) and I have zero worries.
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If by some chance we both catch Ebola we should hang out together for our final nights on this Earth.
 
Turns out my sister may actually get to deal with these two. She apparently works in some research area at Emory.
 
If Emory hospital is fan anything like they run that dump of a law school they have then we in atlanta are really in trouble :/
 
Nokterian said:
Yes but for Ebola there is no cure. Flu is airborne but you can be cured by it with antibiotics. At this moment it's the biggest outbreak since the 70's. But i will post this because in the other thread it was explained why this is happening.



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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28610112

So yeah there is a big concern. It doesn't have a chance in US or EU. Still it's terrfying how a virus like that can kill you in matter of time.
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There's no cure for flu. Anti biotics should not be used for a viral infection.
 
Morbid perhaps, but is it possible the US military merely wants an updated sample of the virus from these two victims? I can't see any other logical reason to fly them onto US soil. There's nothing Emory can do for them.
 
commedieu said:
http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-o...ised-list-quarantinable-communicable-diseases
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the order is real, the story is not. Here is the original order:

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 264(b)), it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the "Secretary"), in consultation with the Surgeon General, and for the purpose of specifying certain communicable diseases for regulations providing for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of suspected communicable diseases, the following communicable diseases are hereby specified pursuant to section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act:

(a) Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers (Lassa, Marburg, Ebola, Crimean-Congo, South American, and others not yet isolated or named).

(b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public health consequences.

Sec. 2. The Secretary, in the Secretary's discretion, shall determine whether a particular condition constitutes a communicable disease of the type specified in section 1 of this order.

Sec. 3. The functions of the President under sections 362 and 364(a) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 265 and 267(a)) are assigned to the Secretary.

Sec. 4. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit enforceable at law or equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

Sec. 5. Executive Order 12452 of December 22, 1983, is hereby revoked.

George W. Bush

The White House,

April 4, 2003.
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Note that Ebola is listed in subsection (a). The conspiracy article even acknowledges that. Subsection (b) separately lists and defines SARS. The order you linked simply refines the definition of SARS from:

(b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public health consequences.
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to:
(b) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza.
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It still only refers to SARS and has nothing to do with Ebola, and why would it? Ebola is already covered in subsection (a)
 
Im sure they only want to study it, but people who are like "there is no risk calm down" that's probably exactly what the volunteers thought before they slipped up and caught it themselves. This is serious shit.
 
sangreal said:
Note that Ebola is listed in subsection (a). The conspiracy article even acknowledges that. Subsection (b) separately lists and defines SARS. The order you linked simply refines the definition of SARS from:

to:

It still only refers to SARS and has nothing to do with Ebola, and why would it? Ebola is already covered in subsection (a)
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Well the revision is not only SARS. The first refers to the disease specifically. The revision makes it more general and the overall wording is more general - not referring only to that singular disease.
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
Well the revision is not only SARS. The first refers to the disease specifically. The revision makes it more general and the overall wording is more general - not referring only to that singular disease.
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It is more general because it does not refer to the singular original variant, but it still only refers to SARS. The only changes are to make SARS plural and include any non-airborne variants
 
GeekyDad said:
Morbid perhaps, but is it possible the US military merely wants an updated sample of the virus from these two victims? I can't see any other logical reason to fly them onto US soil. There's nothing Emory can do for them.
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The victims are more likely to survive in a facility with more resources to treat the symptoms, I guess. But they could also drain all of the victims' blood and pack them into bombs or something.
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
Well the revision is not only SARS. The first refers to the disease specifically. The revision makes it more general and the overall wording is more general - not referring only to that singular disease.
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The expansion is related to MERS, or Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, which we were worried about in the Spring and early Summer due to the Hajj in October.

You know, the outbreak that will actually kill you while you are worrying about Ebola.
 
sangreal said:
the order is real, the story is not. Here is the original order:

Note that Ebola is listed in subsection (a). The conspiracy article even acknowledges that. Subsection (b) separately lists and defines SARS. The order you linked simply refines the definition of SARS from:
to:

It still only refers to SARS and has nothing to do with Ebola, and why would it? Ebola is already covered in subsection (a)
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I think that order has more to do with the situation at the southern borders than it does Ebolamania 2014.

redhairedking said:
Here are a couple of links that were posted in another Ebola thread that are worth reading:

Doctors in full hazmat suits seemingly catching ebola: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/outbreak
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No offense, but that statement in the New Yorker article is really speculative.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
The expansion is related to MERS, or Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, which we were worried about in the Spring and early Summer due to the Hajj in October.

You know, the outbreak that will actually kill you while you are worrying about Ebola.
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Who said I was worrying about Ebola? I understand the difficulty in transmission of the disease versus other infections.
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
Who said I was worrying about Ebola? I understand the difficulty in transmission of the disease versus other infections.
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Wasn't really directed at you, more of a general accusation at the thread.

But yes, the quarantine expansion is all about MERS, because the previous quarantine order was specifically related to SARS, rather than a general SARS like disease.
 
I'll start worrying once another person gets infected with it in US.

By the way, what is the survival rate for someone infected with Ebola?
 
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