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Ammonia leak on the ISS. Astronauts are not in danger for now

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Megasoum

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NASA just announced that they found an ammonia leak in one of the cooling circuit aboard the ISS (ammonia is used to cool down the power circuits). The astronauts are not in danger right now but they might need to shut down some of the solar panels in the next days if they can't find a solution to the problem.

Official press release from NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition35/e35_050913.html

At around 10:30 a.m. CDT on Thursday, the Expedition 35 crew reported seeing small white flakes floating away from an area of the International Space Station’s P6 truss structure. The crew used handheld cameras and Mission Control used external television cameras to gain additional imagery in an attempt to narrow down the leak’s location.

The crew reports, along with imagery and data received by flight controllers in Mission Control in Houston, confirmed that the rate of the ammonia leaking from this section of the cooling system has increased. Ammonia is used to cool the station’s power channels that provide electricity to station systems. Each solar array has its own independent cooling loop. This ammonia loop is the same one that spacewalkers attempted to troubleshoot a leak on during a spacewalk on Nov. 1, 2012. It is not yet known whether this increased ammonia flow is from the same leak, which at the time, was not visible.

The station continues to operate normally otherwise and the crew is in no danger.

Plans are being developed to reroute other power channels to maintain full operation of those and other systems normally controlled by the solar array that is cooled by this loop.

The early analysis by thermal control systems specialists indicates that the leak rate could result in a shutdown of this one cooling loop in about 48 hours. The team is looking at whether any additional imagery is needed to isolate the leak’s location.

Tweets from Chris Hadfield (the ISS Commander)

Station's power relies on ammonia coolant. A few hours ago, we determined that the ammonia was leaking out of the Station and into space.

It is a serious situation, but between crew and experts on the ground, it appears to have been stabilized. Tomorrow we find out for certain.

MP3 of Chris Hadfield reporting to the ground about the leak.

http://www.nasa.gov/mp3/748029main_130509_GMT1835.mp3
 
Yikes. I've been following Chris for awhile now, he's awesome at actually posting stuff from the Space Station. Hope everything stays okay. :(
 
That's not good. I had no idea how deadly ammonia was until I saw the video of that cop dying within seconds trying to save somebody next to a leaking ammonia tank. :S
 

Megasoum

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That's not good. I had no idea how deadly ammonia was until I saw the video of that cop dying within seconds trying to save somebody next to a leaking ammonia tank. :S

Well actually in that case it's the other way around. Ammonia is keeping them alive and now it's leaking!
 

Jacob

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I hope they're able to fix the problem quickly. Does the ISS have some sot of escape capsule that they can jump in and fall back to Earth if the station becomes uninhabitable?
 

Al-ibn Kermit

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So the danger is that some component will overheat? I imagine if it's floating into space it's not some immediate danger to the astronauts.

/dontknowshitaboutspacestations
 

Megasoum

Banned
I hope they're able to fix the problem quickly. Does the ISS have some sot of escape capsule that they can jump in and fall back to Earth if the station becomes uninhabitable?

Yeah, the always have a spare Soyouz ship (plus the one they use to get up there) that they can use to quickly get back down to earth.
 
That's not good. I had no idea how deadly ammonia was until I saw the video of that cop dying within seconds trying to save somebody next to a leaking ammonia tank. :S

I sell valves to people who make ammonia gas systems. The valves have to have back-ups on top of the standard seals because of how dangerous the shit is.
 

Megasoum

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So the danger is that some component will overheat? I imagine if it's floating into space it's not some immediate danger to the astronauts.

/dontknowshitaboutspacestations

Yeah there's no risk for them to get ammonia poisoning but since it's used to cool stuff down, they may be forced to shutdown some of the systems to keep them cool without the cooling pipes working properly.
 

IceCold

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I hope they're able to fix the problem quickly. Does the ISS have some sot of escape capsule that they can jump in and fall back to Earth if the station becomes uninhabitable?

Yes. NASA thought of everything, they are pretty safe up there.
 
Gas. Gas, Captain. Under impulse power she expends fuel like any other vessel. We call it 'plasma'. But whatever the Klingon designation is it is merely ionized gas.
 

black_13

Banned
Woah that must be scary feeling knowing somethings leaking while on board there.

Hope Chris and crew find a solution in time.
 

legacyzero

Banned
Hope they get it resolved.

I would be the worst astronaut ever.

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In Star Trek, their whole ship can get thrown around and blown apart, but essentially the whole crew will survive. IRL, the smallest nick the ship's paneling or this leak could potentially kill them all. Scary shit
 

IceCold

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In Star Trek, their whole ship can get thrown around and blown apart, but essentially the whole crew will survive. IRL, the smallest nick the ship's paneling or this leak could potentially kill them all. Scary shit

Not really. They could simply close down one area and move to another. They have training for all sorts of stuff before going on the ISS, like fires or meteor hits. The astronauts are prepared for anything.
 
Not really. They could simply close down one area and move to another. They have training for all sorts of stuff before going on the ISS, like fires or meteor hits. The astronauts are prepared for anything.

I'm sure they can deal with it, but it's miniscule damage when compared to stuff that happens on Star Trek. If too much ammonia leaked and they didn't notice, the solar array could've exploded, or whatever. That is scary.

And what about the Columbia crash caused by a piece of foam breaking away and hitting the wing? That is scary.
 
In Star Trek, their whole ship can get thrown around and blown apart, but essentially the whole crew will survive. IRL, the smallest nick the ship's paneling or this leak could potentially kill them all. Scary shit

Star Trek has forcefields to seal hull breaches, without them a tiny prick through the hull could really mess them up if they didn't close it off
 

Bear

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why use NH4 as a coolant?

It has a high heat capacity, so it takes more energy to add each unit of temperature. That helps keep the temperature down in whatever it is cooling, since the ammonia will have absorbed a bigger share of the available energy when everything is at the same temperature.
 

akira28

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micrometeorite?

I think we need to surround the station with a high voltage energy barrier that will arc and vaporize anything that gets to close. Including the Chinese.

Time for the magnetic bubble and plasma buffer.
 
I sell valves to people who make ammonia gas systems. The valves have to have back-ups on top of the standard seals because of how dangerous the shit is.

I'm a pipe fitter and we use double containment lines, a 1/2 inch steel pipe around the 1/4 steel pipe with insulation on top of THAT for running nh3. Indeed, ammonia is dangerous stuff.
 

akira28

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I'm sorry but I do think we need to invent a way to smoke in space.

edit: blast door won't do shit against an exploding warp core. Just saying. Probably just to seal in rads.
 

Talyn

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I'm sorry but I do think we need to invent a way to smoke in space.

edit: blast door won't do shit against an exploding warp core. Just saying. Probably just to seal in rads.
That TNG blast door might be more effective if it wasn't mostly made of glass. (Yeah, yeah, super scifi glass but still you'd think a warp core blast door would be solid.)
 

Meadows

Banned
Part of me hopes that something goes wrong just so I can see them use the emergency jet pack.

But yeah, I want them to stay safe as well, so I guess that's more important.
 

liquidtmd

Banned
I hope the systems that power their Twitter feed is the first to get shut down, Id hate for them to get posted the Gravity trailer

(j/k, good luck guys)
 
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