NullPointer
Member
Yes, which is why this is being done. Not out on convenience.
They could try and pull this same DRM with mp3s and movies and I'd love to see the fallout from that one.
But hey, its just gamers. Fuck em. Thats how it comes across.
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Angry Joe: Major Nelson Interview (Xbox One) E3 2013
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They could try and pull this same DRM with mp3s and movies and I'd love to see the fallout from that one.
But hey, its just gamers. Fuck em. Thats how it comes across.
This isn't about the Xbox it is about the idea of a major digital only console. How do you know that when it comes out they will have the gamers best interest in mind? How do you know that they won't pull some licensing garbage and only allow you to download the game for six months after purchase? Until those concerns can be properly addressed the general population of gamers are not going to be ready for an all digital console.
Reddit interview was lame as hell. She didn't push for answers at all. Basically "so what about this Q?" "PR nonsense as the answer" "Ok next Q"
Not even in the same ball park. So far this E3, Geoff, Verge and AJ did the best interviews
Tripolygon
Banned
He said 2 people can't play concurrently on the family plan on different consoles but you can play split screen locally (we can already do that). On the official MS faq websites it clearly states any one of your family member on your family plan can play at a given time.
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, that was a bizarre answer.
He seemed to say that it works the same as a physical disk, ie. if the game can be played by multiple people locally, it can be checked out by multiple players simultaneously. Not sure how that makes a lick of sense though.
My point is that things would be EVEN WORSE when you put that on top of letting the restrictions go away from discs. You don't see that?
There's "no expectation for it" because it never happened.
Wasn't there a famous quote from Steve Jobs saying, "People don't know what they want until you show it to them?"
??? Many people currently pirate games.
How is that insane?
"Think"? It's what being stated by MS themselves based on the info they've given.
The sad thing is that even if by chance, Joe was a lawyer (for sake of argument, let's say he was a contract attorney who exclusively handled UCC sale of goods and service contracts). All Nelson could have said after that is "Well are you a EU lawyer?! Then no one can judge!" and still cop out of the question that way.
Conclusion: No one has any clue what they're talking about.
I wouldn't be surprised if MS have yet to finalize these policies.
WAR recon zero
Banned
But why would he even talk about locally? Just seems strange. That whole part of the interview confused me.
Yes, but the question is is if that means "play a shared game"; meaning --- can the original owner of the disc play at the same time that one person digitally shares it.
It seemed like the answer to that was "no" until Major Nelson talked about "split screen games", on top of what Angry Joe said in that other video he made after the interview.
Like I said, I'm totally confused by what was stated when it came to that.
Bornstellar
Member
He said he doesn't know. What more do you want?
NullPointer
Member
I don't... understand.
PJV3
Member
They probably need to convince publishers as well, if it takes off in a big way it will cause headaches.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Man MS has the policies so damn complicated they can't even keep the story straight. The post launch window for the Xbone is going to be absolutely brutal.
Yeah. It's so confusing.
At the end of the day, you're not going to be allowed to game share like you could with the PS3 at launch. Publishers did not like it and even went as far as always online DRM on some PSN games.
Tripolygon
Banned
What research do you have to claim that trading games locally leads to piracy? People pirate steam games, people pirate PSN and XLive games.
People share accounts on PSN all the time, even here on GAF and Sony doesn't seem to arrest any of them. Steve Jobs was referring to the iPhone and the App Store, HDTVs not always online DRM. Nobody fucking wants that, well except for people who actually want it because "family plan".
Yes but that has nothing to do with games being on discs. People pirate games because they can, PS3 was the last console to fall to piracy this gen. There are tons of Android Apps, iPhone apps and Steam game that are available to torrent. Even fucking free games and apps LMAO
Nonsense.
I can't decide what I think of Nelson/Hyrb these days. Like I know as a big employee/PR/voice of MS Gaming I know he can't say anything untoward but it's whether I think he believes the shtick or just has to say it because I do really want to like the guy.
EDIT: Scratch that, I finished the video and he just came across as an idiot. Like reeling off the MS shpeel but being very aggressive about it even though it's a lot of bullshit. Like "oh are you not an employee of Microsoft? Then shut up you don't know what you're talking about."
EDIT: Scratch that, I finished the video and he just came across as an idiot. Like reeling off the MS shpeel but being very aggressive about it even though it's a lot of bullshit. Like "oh are you not an employee of Microsoft? Then shut up you don't know what you're talking about."
That doesn't really answer if the main owner will kick the family member off when they go to play the same game, though.
I see no scenario where this will end well - there will be a lot of complaints by uninformed xbone buyers...
I mean - we are at a hardcore gamer forum here - and basically nobody can really make heads or tails out of these policies - how the fuck is avarage joe supposed to do this?
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
Man major nelson was getting pissed when he took that mic from his hands. Ha Ha
There is no way you can buy one $60 game and 10 "Family members" (friends) can enjoy it at the same time as if there is 10 copies in each one of their consoles.
No way that would work.
There is no way you can buy one $60 game and 10 "Family members" (friends) can enjoy it at the same time as if there is 10 copies in each one of their consoles.
No way that would work.
Tfault
Member
The way I read it:
Lets say I am playing a game and 3000 miles away my 'family' friend is playing the same game, we both can play the game in single payer mode, but cannot play against each other (or anyone else for that matter) on line in multi player.
What's more interesting is what happens if I decide to go multi player whilst my friend is still playing?
LightofRohan
Member
Man all this "horrible DRM stuff", sounds actually kind of neat... Me and my friend swap games a lot, it'd be neat to just have to buy half the games I usually would and we just swap them online even though he's further away from me now... It's funny how this is a big turn off for a LOT of people, but it's actually selling me on it.
What? He didn't say that, he said that it would be like having the disc. So one person out of the 10 could play it at a time. Unless you do the 1 gift, where then two can play without the disc at the same time.
That's what it sounded like for me
What? He didn't say that, he said that it would be like having the disc. So one person out of the 10 could play it at a time. Unless you do the 1 gift, where then two can play without the disc at the same time.
That's what it sounded like for me
Bornstellar
Member
No, however, the primary owner and one family member may play at the same time (whether or not there are limitations on the type of play, however, is in the air).
Two players can play Mortal Kombat. Oh!
Reuters should set up a live event page to update us on all the Xbox One policy changes - in realtime! With the power of the Cloud.
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
maybe you are right but many people are reading into it as if somehow with one copy, 10 people can play and enjoy it as if each one owns the game and play at the same time.
you want 10 people to enjoy it like we currently do? you need 10 copies of the game.
Arkage
Banned
The level of confusion truly is overwhelming, despite MS's specific attempts to clarify. They really should've gone the PS4 route with discs or just gone all digital. This attempt at a middle ground is a hot mess that MS itself seems confused on, despite their continual attempts to explain it.
I think Nelson did a better job at explaining things in a positive light than most others, but the explanations still remain substantially confusing. How in the world they intend to simplify this so the regular joe can understand it is beyond me.
I think Nelson did a better job at explaining things in a positive light than most others, but the explanations still remain substantially confusing. How in the world they intend to simplify this so the regular joe can understand it is beyond me.
Drake
Member
Joe kind of apologized for the interview yesterday. He said that he's not a very good interviewer and I also think he said he didn't feel comfortable probing for answers like a journalist would do. He tried to make it clear that he's just a normal guy who likes to review games who happened to get an interview with Major Nelson. I haven't watched the interview yet, so I don't know how good or bad it is.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
There is no simple way to communicate their policies easily. 0-3 months in it will be a complete disaster as new owners figure what the can and can't do with their system and games. You can sum up Sony's policies in a tweet, it is that simple. Xbone requires a novel to try to explain. It is an easy recipe to anger customers.
Bornstellar
Member
Theoretically, you would actually only need 5...
LightofRohan
Member
Ugh, Angry Joe is horrible. I keep losing respect for that guy... people are still even apologetic for his Geoff interview, when Joe was clearly a big emotional immature baby.
Drake
Member
yeah, I saw the interview on his channel a while ago I tried to watch it, but it was to cringe worthy. I couldn't make it through it.
NullPointer
Member
The way he said it seemed to make it an option only if the game had splitscreen, which is just weird.
Here's how I see it right now: Simply put, it's a library of shared games and acts as a physical library would. Anybody in the "family" can designate a game as shared and add it to the library. Anybody in the family can "check out" a game from the library, but this will mean the game isn't available for anybody else to check out. If somebody else in your family wants to play a game that is checked out from the library they have to wait for the game to be checked back in.
Its pretty simple, with the one complexity being that the game owner always has access to the game locally, and has no need to use the shared library to play the game. Thus, the owner can always play the game and ONE other member of the family can play that same game at the same time.
Tripolygon
Banned
Let me untangle PR speak for you.
1. You have 24hr DRM checks
'deflects to something positive'
Digital future and you have family plan and can share with 10 family members (tiny footnote:2 people cant play concurrently)
2. Two family members won't be able to play concurrently but
'deflect attention with something positive'
You can play coop games with your family member on split screen.(we can already do this now)
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
What about big MP titles like CoD Ghost or BF4?
MJ said SP content could be enjoyed concurrent between 2 family plan members.
dragonelite
Member
I don't like having 2~3 drawers filled with games.
Having like 60 games around if you lend out 10 games
to 6 different people shit gets damaged and lost or forgotten who actually bought the game.
With digital sharing i don't have that shit.
I lost seven 360 games and three ps3 games this gen.
Steam has prepared me and showed that digital is my way to go.
I had trust issues with steam at the time of the orange box.
Then more and more season sales happened on steam
and library is now 140 games. Still have to see off course if the will handle the market place like steam.
So in my situation and my plans the console is freaking perfect except fucking mandatory connected kinect.
I don't have issues with its sending stuff to Microsoft when im playing games.
Its is when im not playing games, just want to relax/recharge (as an introvert) by watching a movie or series box i just want to have my privacy.
My personal privacy is very important to me. Software off is not enough not after prism.
But if the games are good enough i will even put up with that.
And if Microsoft and the pubs screws me over i have no problems pirating game i bought from them.
Digital stuff will probably have the same rights as physical stuff soon in the EU.
Tfault
Member
Would not work because the other 5 would not be able to play the game if the 5 with purchased copies were playing multi player online! Everyone would still need their own copy to play at the same time.
Yep, it's a mess!
shinra-bansho
Member
Good god, I'm sick of this "it's the future, look at the Kindle" bullshit.
Amazon didn't chain your paperbacks to your bookshelf.
iTunes didn't prevent you from lending your CDs.
Netflix didn't stop you from on-selling your BluRay discs.
The existence of PSN didn't make disc-based PS3 games, and won't make disc-based PS4 games worthless hunks of plastic.
Digital distribution didn't introduce artificial measures to inhibit physical retail in any of these cases.
The "future" was not digital-pretending-to-be-retail and imposing DRM on retail in movies, music, books. These vendors provided a digital alternatives, with their own set of benefits and drawbacks, with strong enough incentives to drive consumer transition. They did not force a transition by removing the properties of physical goods.
Amazon didn't chain your paperbacks to your bookshelf.
iTunes didn't prevent you from lending your CDs.
Netflix didn't stop you from on-selling your BluRay discs.
The existence of PSN didn't make disc-based PS3 games, and won't make disc-based PS4 games worthless hunks of plastic.
Digital distribution didn't introduce artificial measures to inhibit physical retail in any of these cases.
The "future" was not digital-pretending-to-be-retail and imposing DRM on retail in movies, music, books. These vendors provided a digital alternatives, with their own set of benefits and drawbacks, with strong enough incentives to drive consumer transition. They did not force a transition by removing the properties of physical goods.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Best interview conducted with any of the MS execs at E3 that I've seen. You know that you are asking the right questions when PR folks start getting agitated.
Good job Joe.
Good job Joe.
Make sure the owner be off-line so the servers don't flag the game as being played by the owner then denying access to that game.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Halo has both a single player and multiplayer aspect of the game.
Can one person on the family share plan play multiplayer while another plays single player?
Can one person on the family share plan play multiplayer while another plays single player?
Tfault
Member
What I believe he was getting too was that 2 people with two Xbox's in the same house can play the game in split screen even though only one had purchased it by being a 'family' member, which is stupid because it would still be only single player mode.