JumpJeff84
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Pretty sure she wrote for Jodeci too. I think Devante was her mentor back in the early 90s
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Pretty sure she wrote for Jodeci too. I think Devante was her mentor back in the early 90s
PhoenixDark
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I have no respect for "rappers" who don't write their shit. She's a talentless fraud who can't even rap decently.
You was on a roll until the bolded.
I have a lot of complaints about Nicki, but it's very clear that she writes most if not ALL of her shit. It's especially clear when you listen to an entire Nicki album (in fact, my one real complaint with The Pinkprint is that her style, while still untouchable by most other rappers, has become a bit stilted.)
AyaisMUsikWhore
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How in the hell does Nicki not write her own verses?
Pause.
Nicki certainly has a distinct rapping word play format that is very consistent. I'm 100% sure Nicki is writing her bars straight up. Every album, it sounds the same. Let's keep the writing credibility to Iggy please. We've had three albums of Nicki rapping the exact same way. Nothing has changed for her period. She still uses corny punchlines to end one bar and relate them to the same corny pop culture references lol.
Let's not
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Nicki certainly has a distinct rapping word play format that is very consistent. I'm 100% sure Nicki is writing her bars straight up. Every album, it sounds the same. Let's keep the writing credibility to Iggy please. We've had three albums of Nicki rapping the exact same way. Nothing has changed for her period. She still uses corny punchlines to end one bar and relate them to the same corny pop culture references lol.
Let's not
PhoenixDark
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Nope, she doesn't write a good deal of her shit. It's quite obvious she didn't write her verse on Only, for instance. She can deny it all she wants but Rick Ross and Drake have written for her for years breh, especially her singles. And before that she had a NY ghostwriter. I doubt it was Ransom but yea...
Beelzebufo
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Who cares who writes the songs? Most actors don't write their lines either.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Eh, I think it's a lot worse for a rapper then any other kind of musical artist since rap is all about lyrics.
So if someone writes better lyrics for you, why wouldn't you use them then?
Oldschoolgamer
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Pretty much.
Artists definitely get bonus points for doing it themselves, but it's not some shit I'm deducting points for. Some people are better performers and some people are better writers. It's dope when you can do both though.
Androidsleeps
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I don't understand how this shitty rap music is THE African-American music/heritage !?!??!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this genre start in the 80s and became a thing in the 90s and now (and even then?) it's just about fucking bitches and eating asses like cupcakes and wet vaginas etc..? Such art.
Whatever the fuck happened to Jazz and Blues, which basically gave birth to Rock'n'Roll?
Guess this idiot Azelia Banks thinks black music started with Snoop Dogg and lil wayne.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this genre start in the 80s and became a thing in the 90s and now (and even then?) it's just about fucking bitches and eating asses like cupcakes and wet vaginas etc..? Such art.
Whatever the fuck happened to Jazz and Blues, which basically gave birth to Rock'n'Roll?
Guess this idiot Azelia Banks thinks black music started with Snoop Dogg and lil wayne.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Because Rap is all about how talented you are with words. Simply reciting someone else's words seems to be missing the point.
Yep, Rap music is just about eating asses. You really nailed it there.
No, and way to generalize. The genre is just as much legitimate art as any art/music you think more highly of.
elrechazado
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Comedy is all about delivery and talent with words , and most of the top comics buy material from writers. Chris rock does this for example, and he's considered one of the best of all time.
Princess cut diamonds, on my Disssseneeeeeeyyyyyyyy!
I love that line
Also...hasn't it been 48 hours?
I'd like to live in a world where credit is given where credit is due.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Buying jokes is not exactly an uncontroversial practice in the realm of comedy.
It's not a big deal at all. Stealing jokes is a big deal, though.
Just popping in but I agree. I don't lose respect for artists that don't write. The performance/delivery is just as important (if not moreso to be completely honest).
IrishNinja
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man what the fuck is this basura right here
missy is a top 5 female MC, hands down...go back on supa dupa fly
But sis, you can't take Missy's club songs and use them as an example of her lyricism at its peak. Show me a rap track in the top 40 with lyrics that aren't complete shit when you remove them from the context of the track itself.
You gotta go to Missy's album tracks.
^this, this all day
haha at least i missed part of the fuckery
more babies than other M
ahaha, it took a while but the party's officially started
please continue, i have so very much to learn here
Androidsleeps
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I hate the genre, but do you really think it's legitimate to call it the African-American music?
That's what I couldn't wrap my head around, this idiot (in her interview) is acting as if hip-hop is the only thing black people has left or ever offered to music!
No, but have you seen the top hip-hop charts lately?
As I stated, my problem isn't with genre, you can love it, hate it, consider it your lifestyle whatever (Hell, I enjoy some hip-hop music myself). But calling it THE black people music is just ridiculous, since black people created jazz/blues, genres much older and much more influential than hip-hop.
DonasaurusRex
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Oh yeah he was, that label was loaded in hindsight, she probably did a bunch of their stuff after Devante got more and more strung out.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Since you are oh so educated on this topic, please educate me to how Hip Hop and Rap came to be. Please tell me the origin.
Pinko Marx
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How can you know so much about a genre you claim to hate?
billy beane
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Shut up
Androidsleeps
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I did not say that hip-hop wasn't created by African-americans. I just found it weird that Banks (in her interview) seems unaware that black people created the older and more influential jazz/blues.
It has seen a boom in popularity with this generation that might very well make it so when you look back in 10 years due to the amount of exposure this type of "music" gets.
Edit: What I personally don't consider music is the emerging artists who's vocabulary can be summed up to bitches, money, weed, how tough it was where you were born, how many bullets you took... etc, and who's song features a single repeating "melody" of 3 to 4 musical notes. I am fully aware and appreciate all the other styles, but then the ones in the spotlight for whatever controversial reason they fabricate are the ones most talk about.
You took a loss for this post, overwhelming ignorance.
You need to listen to some Tribe among other artists in the genre.
Couldn't be that white people took those genres over and supplanted black people as the creators and stars of those genres, which is what she's mad about with rap. That just wouldn't make any sense at all.
Black_Stride
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Angelus Errare
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Some group stole them and claimed it as their invention along with Rock N' Roll and marginalized the actual creators…
Funny thing there was this thing that happened in like the 30s and shit. One group would make awesome songs, then another group would take the exact beat and words and rerecord them with a little less melanin and bam! Selling like crazy all of a sudden.
This kept up for a pretty long time, and in some cases some douche was crowned the King of this for some unexplained reason.
DonasaurusRex
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Yeah we get it but don't sleep on the credits , black artists pioneered Rock n Roll too, gave birth and raised it like a son.
You are wrong about the lyrical content of hip hop though its diverse and organic right now you can't be mainstream and be a serious MC though. Look into early 90's groups , you will hear the same party and bullshit tracks you hear now, love songs, rebelious thugs, street life, poetry, philosophy , battle rap, story telling, its very diverse. mid 80s - mid 2000's was a golden age.
There it is. Every. Single. Time.
Angelus Errare
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Dude, Rick Ross? Rick Ross? Not even you can believe that mess. I could see if they had a similar flow, but they're nothing alike.
Trust, nobody is writing the bulk to Nicki's shit other than Nicki. I mean, you have to find me a rapper who flows even remotely like Nicki does for me to even consider believing you. Unless you honestly expect me to believe that OTHER rappers, who don't even have as consistent a flow as Nicki, are inventing characters just to give to Nicki. Dude, it don't even make sense. You'd have an easier time convincing me Drake writes for (which would make sense, since they're tight and he writes great hooks).
You're starting to drink that "No female MC writes her own lyrics period because reasons" kool-aid.
If black people sued for slavery, they'd own the country.
IrishNinja
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it's really weird that she didn't talk about genres entirely unrelated to her job/interview/the core concept of this thread, yeah
TBH i was just reading an interview with this Colter fellow (he's apparently playing Luke Cage but without the tiara, UGH) and not once did he mention Night Thrasher. Do these people not know their roots?! it's like Ken Burns' work has all been for naught.
bobbychalkers
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Oh shit! Three 6 dropped a new tape? Link me!
Androidsleeps
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I apologize if offended anyone, my comments were written straight after I watched her interview and I may have failed to make my point across. She's mad because apparently the industry is trying to erase the black music with artists like iggy?! Which just doesn't make any sense, not a million iggy can make hip-hop white, let alone the entire contribution of African-Americans to music (which is MORE than just hip-hop).
The Abominable Snowman
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Describe "good deal" because I can assure you that's all hearsay and people's assumptions. It's also a good reason why she said she didn't like her first album, because it included a lot of tracks she didn't want put out or from her mixtape. Her mixtape had some writing assistance on a few tracks but nothing major. Her first album she wanted to be either all pop or all rap, but her label decided to mix the two and thats where a lot of the rumors had come from.
And since her first album she had some writing assistance for hooks or breakdowns, but for some reason people always allege she's being ghost written. Noone has written for her actual lyrical content besides SB and Ester Dean since she's been major. Definitely not Drake or Ross who both don't stand to make anything from writing with her.
It has existed since the mid-70s in some form or another. It has big roots in the Afro-centric movements of the 80s and 90s. It's about life in the inner city, loving your blackness and a million other things in the same way heavy metal is about everything from loving strippers like Def Leppard to being a neo-nazi scumbag like Burzum. Even mainstream hits focus on more than bitches and eating ass.
And, what happened to blues, jazz and rock'n'roll is what is happening to rap now -- gentrification.
Of course a million Iggy's could. Outside of music nerds no one cares about the black roots in genres that were once dominated by black artists or had a healthy amount of black performers such as blues, punk, ska or rock'n'roll
Well I'll admit this talking point has always been a bit overblown, even though it's a common opinion.
There's a reason that, even after all this time, Eminem is still the only white dude to really reach the top with the greats in Hip Hop (and most people would attribute that to his proximity to Dr. Dre).
Hip Hop is still a black-dominated genre. Every now and then you do have some hot-shot, flash-in-the-pan white artist, but then their 15 ends and they bounce. Hip Hop is in no danger of being taken over by "marketable" white folk, even if that's the popular fear.
I wonder what happened to these other genres black people created that you speak of....hmmmmmmm
This is so fucking dumb and all of your subsequent posts are dumb, too. It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about but for whatever reason, you felt the need to let everyone know your opinion.
It's really funny he's failing to notice that.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Her problem was accolades going to white artist who get championed for inventing or "reinventing" something that blacks and other minorities have created, has does (and continues to do) better for years and never gets credit for it.
Then there's the problem that despite the genre not being a "Black" genre, it's origins was created due to a culture in which there should be respect and proper appropriation of that culture. Not exploitation for money and fame to throw another white face on something that became something global off the backs of said ethnic races.
It's really that simple. No one is saying whites can't be apart of it because there are many who have contributed greatly to it. Just don't disrespect it by placing labels on certain people to what you see fit to categorize them in that genre.
Iggy's "New Classic" is a pop rap album. Just because she is rapping does not mean she is hip hop. Just as taking a picture of yourself does not make you a model.
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Now thinking about it, Lorde won best rock album and she is the farthest thing from rock.
The real threat to hip-hop was money and that shit already won. Suits just want to expand their target demographic with acts like Iggy Azealia.
NYCmetsfan
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What?
blame space
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