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[Golden Darkness]

http://game-science.com/news/001249.php

 

[argon]

The strongest words came from a developer at Square Enix, who stated that Sony will pay for their mistakes.

that has to be a mistranslation... :lol

 

[datruth29]

Wow, those are some strong words from the SE developer. Just out of curiousity, how long would it take to develop a during the actual programming segment of the process?

 

[Amir0x]

Posted by our very own Jonnyram.

 

[BlueTsunami]

that has to be a mistranslation... :lol

I read it....and I flinched. Its as if the main protaganist was cursing the enemy. :lol

 

[Suikoguy]

The article states that PS3 dev tools have only just started shipping to developers this month, while 360 tools were shipped last summer.

What a shocker! OMG

 

[Deku]

Sounds like the N64 all over again. Hubris. Too much of it.

I'm still rooting for the PS3/REV combo however. But who knows.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Do they mean last summer as in Summer 2004??


If so, that would give X360 jap developers an 18 month head start, which is all the more surprising considering the results we are seeing from Japanese PS3 developers currently


I believe that, for the first time on a PlayStation platform, Japanese developers are on the receiving end of early software that needs to be translated from a different language into Japanese....with PSOne/PS2, western devs were the ones that got the shaft by receiving early Japanese developer docs...

With PS3, however, a majority of the software is probably in english (Open GL, Unreal Engine 3.0, Havok, Agiea SDK, Renderware) so I am sure they are not that happy about this


It will probably take some time for Japanese versions of these SDKs to arrive and the fallout from this might be what you are seeing here....

Or maybe not...

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

N64? OMGWTF!

Yeah, you might have a point if Sony abandoned Blu-Ray for punch cards; but they're not.

This is the same shit developers pulled with the PS2. Once the money comes rolling in hand over fist, they'll STFU. It's not like Squeenix has bothered showing the competition any love because of this, unless you count ports of current gen stuff.

 

[Rorschach]

You'll pay for this, captain planet!

 

[Fuma]

Sony is doomed

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Sounds like the N64 all over again

.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Sounds like the PS2 all over again.

Sure does.

 

[Fafalada]

I wouldn't know much about N64, but having experienced the same early time frame with PS2 development, I would have to say PS3 SDK stuff is very far ahead of where PS2 was at the same point (I'm assuming spring launch as a reference - if launch is further back, the difference would be even bigger).

Admitedly - hardware wise - PS2 was much closer to final though.

 

[sly]

It has begun.

 

[gamergirly]

Well, hope the PS3 is developer friendly....or it IS N64 all over again, as far as the developers go. Not sure if the 1st generational decreased marketshare will follow exactly :lol

 

[Marathon]

Sounds like the N64 all over again. Hubris. Too much of it.

I'm still rooting for the PS3/REV combo however. But who knows.

'hubris' ?

What a bizzare comment.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Sure does.

Indeed. N64 had a whole slew of other problems. Sounds more like PS2.

 

[Reilly]

If Bandai can develop a good looking game, I see no problems for other developers.

 

[The Faceless Master]

i find the lack of a square/enix/nintendo together again photoshop in this thrread disturbing

 

[Kleegamefan]

LOL at how the actual PlayStation developer in this thread is being ignored :lol

 

[Marathon]

Well, hope the PS3 is developer friendly....

Yeah, that awful PS3 stuff developers have been showing sure sounds like they are struggling with the PS3 dev tools...

 

[krypt0nian]

I wouldn't know much about N64, but having experienced the same early time frame with PS2 development, I would have to say PS3 SDK stuff is very far ahead of where PS2 was at the same point (I'm assuming spring launch as a reference - if launch is further back, the difference would be even bigger).

Admitedly - hardware wise - PS2 was much closer to final though.

Thread over then>?

 

[Kleegamefan]

If whining SE can produce this realtime stuff on early PS3 back in may:

I cant wait to see how they will "punish" the PS3 in 2006

 

[Mike Works]

Do they mean last summer as in Summer 2004??


If so, that would give X360 jap developers an 18 month head start, which is all the more surprising considering the results we are seeing from Japanese PS3 developers currently

 

[C- Warrior]

If Bandai can develop a good looking game, I see no problems for other developers.

 

[clearacell]

Thread over then>?

I think the fun is just getting started

 

[BlueTsunami]

If whining SE can produce this realtime stuff on early PS3 back in may:

I cant wait to see how they will "punish" the PS3 in 2006

I found that to be the most definitive post. SquareEnix basically went out of their way to show how EASY it is to develop for the PS3 and how quickly they got that FFVII tech demo out. So where does this comment come from (The commment from which the thread was started)?

 

[sly]

 

[Deku]

I remember this...

That was also a revisioning of an existing Square game at the time it was shown off and Nintendo certianly thought it was Square's preview of Final Fantasy for the n64.

 

[C- Warrior]

Only if you could put the two together eh?

 

[datruth29]

I found that to be the most definitive post. SquareEnix basically went out of their way to show how EASY it is to develop for the PS3 and how quickly they got that FFVII tech demo out. So where does this comment come from (The commment from which the thread was started)?

Hence the confusion. Then again, they did say A developer from SE. Doesnt really speak for the whole company.

 

[Deku]

Hence the confusion. Then again, they did say A developer from SE. Doesnt really speak for the whole company.

It was probably an individual or a group.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I remember this...

That was also a revisioning of an existing Square game at the time it was shown off and Nintendo certianly thought it was Square's preview of Final Fantasy for the n64.

Its not about the franchise itself (or SquareEnix) but about how fast the DEMO was created. It contradicts what this developer said. I would like to see where this comment actually stems from and if it has been lost in translations.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

I found that to be the most definitive post. SquareEnix basically went out of their way to show how EASY it is to develop for the PS3 and how quickly they got that FFVII tech demo out. So where does this comment come from (The commment from which the thread was started)?

Note though, that the piece of info is concerned over the time table for tools and middleware release as opposed to difficulty of PS3. And with Faf's input, they seem to be are doing better than what happened with PS2.

 

[cvxfreak]

Sounds like the PS2 and N64 molded up into one.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Its not about the franchise itself (or SquareEnix) but about how fast the DEMO was created. It contradicts what this developer said. I would like to see where this comment actually stems from and if it has been lost in translations.

But what fun would that be??

 

[mckmas8808]

LOL at how the actual PlayStation developer in this thread is being ignored :lol

Who is this developer you speak of?

 

[Kleegamefan]

Who is this developer you speak of?

.

I wouldn't know much about N64, but having experienced the same early time frame with PS2 development, I would have to say PS3 SDK stuff is very far ahead of where PS2 was at the same point (I'm assuming spring launch as a reference - if launch is further back, the difference would be even bigger).

Admitedly - hardware wise - PS2 was much closer to final though.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Note though, that the piece of info is concerned over the time table for tools and middleware release as opposed to difficulty of PS3. And with Faf's input, they seem to be are doing better than what happened with PS2.

Ahhh I see. Then thats a whole other beast entirely. The move MS has made to get the 360 out so quickly thus forcing Sony to get the PS3 at a (possibly) ucomfortable time frame may be showing its effects now. Also, yes the toolsets in general (for CELL) where recently released to the general public (not sure about developers). I can see how this can be an issue.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

EDIT: Beaten!

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

The move MS has made to get the 360 out so quickly thus forcing Sony to get the PS3 at a (possibly) ucomfortable time frame may be showing its effects now.

Someone needs to be beaten senseless with a Powerpoint presentation. :lol

Yes! They announced all of this years ago, are still launching a year later; but really MS forced their hand! HONEST!

 

[krypt0nian]

Fafalada gets no respect. =(

 

[BlueTsunami]

Someone needs to be beaten senseless with a Powerpoint presentation. :lol

Yes! They announced all of this years ago, are still launching a year later; but really MS forced their hand! HONEST!

Sony themselves have said that they would have waited another year to get the PS3 out. Why would they go against that judgement and opt for 06'? This isn't just a new console with some funky cores, this is a whole new architecture, a few months to a year would only be beneficial but Sony is still focusing on 06'. Theres only one reason for that.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Sony themselves have said that they would have waited another year to get the PS3 out.

I did not get this memo.

Odd considering GAF is The Place to be for this sort of news. Can someone back this up?

 

[Jonnyram]

You can hang me now... the middleman added the Squenix line himself - it's not in the original article. I've corrected the story and added further details from the article.

Faf's the man in this thread, though. He's right on the mark with his comments - english versions of middleware will slow down the Japanese developers, but that's not the main problem for now, I think.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I did not get this memo.

Odd considering GAF is The Place to be for this sort of news. Can someone back this up?

I seem to remember KK or some other figure stating that another year for the PS3 would have been what happened. Gah..I know I remember hearing this at some point. Even then, you can tell that their semi-sorta rushing the PS3. Not in a "PS3 will be crap" sort of rush, but trying to stay competitive kind of rush.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

You can hang me now...

Bubba, get the rope.

It's lynchin' time.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Bubba, get the rope.

It's lynchin' time.

:lol

Sounds more logical now (the revised information). I agree with the Blu-Ray statement (although I like that fact that its essentialy a cheap Blu-Ray player). The dev tools shipping late still holds true but Faf already put that into perspective.

 

[clearacell]

You can hang me now... the middleman added the Squenix line himself - it's not in the original article. I've corrected the story and added further details from the article.

Faf's the man in this thread, though. He's right on the mark with his comments - english versions of middleware will slow down the Japanese developers, but that's not the main problem for now, I think.

I guess the thread is over now.