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Another rogue state harbors terrorists with impunity

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/world/americas/08posada.html

Castro Foe With C.I.A. Ties Puts U.S. in an Awkward Spot

By MARC LACEY
Published: October 8, 2006

EL PASO, Oct. 6 — Thirty years ago, long before liquids and gels were restricted on airliners, a tube of Colgate toothpaste may have brought a plane down from the sky.

Luis Posada Carriles was implicated in the 1976 attack. Now detained in Texas, he may be freed.

Cubana Airlines Flight 455 crashed off the coast of Barbados on Oct. 6, 1976, killing all 73 people aboard. Plastic explosives stuffed into a toothpaste tube ignited the plane, according to recently declassified police records.

Implicated in the attack, but never convicted, was Luis Posada Carriles, a Cuban exile who has long sought to topple the government of Fidel Castro.


Today, Mr. Posada, 78, is in a detention center in El Paso, held on an immigration violation while the government tries to figure out what to do with him. His case presents a quandary for the Bush administration, at least in part because Mr. Posada is a former C.I.A. operative and United States Army officer who directed his wrath at a government that Washington has long opposed.

Despite insistent calls from Cuba and Venezuela for his extradition, the administration has refused to send him to either country for trial.


Intensifying the problem is that Mr. Posada, who was arrested last year in Miami after sneaking into the country, may soon go free because the United States has been reluctant to press the terrorism charges that could keep him in jail.

That prospect has brought a hail of criticism of the Bush administration for holding a double standard when it comes to those who commit terrorist acts.

“The fight against terrorism cannot be fought а la carte,” said Josй Pertierra, a Washington lawyer who is representing the government of Venezuela in its effort to extradite Mr. Posada. “A terrorist is a terrorist.”

The Bush administration has stopped short of prosecuting him as a terrorist, however, even though the Justice Department called him as much this week. In papers filed in federal court in El Paso on Thursday, it described him as “an unrepentant criminal and admitted mastermind of terrorist plots and attacks on tourist sites.”

Instead, Mr. Posada faces immigration charges, as the Bush administration tries its best to deport him somewhere else, where he would walk free.

Few countries seem willing to take him. So far, Canada, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and Panama have all turned down American requests to take Mr. Posada, who denies that he bombed the plane but who is linked to the case in declassified C.I.A. and F.B.I. files.

“Who would want him?” asked one lawyer close to the case, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified because of the delicacy of the litigation. “Wherever he goes there will be intelligence agents from a variety of nations following him, not to mention hit squads.”

Two countries do want Mr. Posada: Venezuela, where he is wanted for blowing up the plane, and Cuba, where he is viewed as an enemy of the state who has repeatedly tried to assassinate Mr. Castro.

An immigration judge has ruled that Mr. Posada may be subject to torture in those two countries. But because no other country has stepped forward, and because he has not been officially deemed a terrorist by the American government, a federal judge recommended last month — coincidentally on Sept. 11 — that Mr. Posada be released.

The Bush administration is now invoking a law that bars the release of an illegal immigrant who poses adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States. That tack has placed it in the awkward position of, in effect, having to call Mr. Posada a terrorist even as it refuses to charge him as one.

Mr. Posada has longstanding links to American intelligence agencies, and his colorful past helps to explain why this is not a garden variety terrorism case. One immigration judge involved in the proceedings described them as being “not unlike one of Robert Ludlum’s espionage thrillers.”

A former sugar chemist and exterminator in Cuba, Mr. Posada has been working in the shadows to carry out a policy not unlike the one Washington has advocated over the decades — the removal of Mr. Castro.

“How can you call someone a terrorist who allegedly committed acts on your behalf?” asked Felipe D. J. Millan, Mr. Posada’s El Paso-based lawyer. “This would be the equivalent of calling Patrick Henry or Paul Revere or Benjamin Franklin a terrorist.”

Mr. Posada received military training in the United States and worked for the C.I.A. as far back as the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. He played a role in supplying the contras in Nicaragua. He has admitted, but subsequently denied, involvement in a string of bombings of Cuban tourist facilities.

By the time the Cubana Airlines plane exploded, Mr. Posada was no longer in the employ of the C.I.A. But records show that he may have notified his former bosses that a bomb was going to be set off on a plane shortly before it happened.

Venezuela and Cuba staged events on Friday, the 30th anniversary of the airplane bombing, where Mr. Bush was condemned for his government’s failure to turn over Mr. Posada. A billboard posted outside the United States Interest Section in Havana features the image of Mr. Bush, Mr. Posada and Hitler.

Some of the anger directed at the Bush administration’s handling of the case originates closer to home. Roseanne Nenninger Persaud, whose 19-year-old brother, Raymond, was one of the passengers who perished, recently wrote a letter to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales urging him to brand Mr. Posada a terrorist.

“It feels like a double standard,” Ms. Nenninger, who was born in Guyana but has since become an American citizen, said in a telephone interview from New York. “He should be treated like bin Laden. If this were a plane full of Americans, it would have been a different story.”

A majority of the victims were Cubans, including the entire Olympic fencing team, which was returning from a competition in Venezuela. Guyanese and North Koreans made up most of the other passengers.

“Luis Posada Carriles is a terrorist, but he’s our terrorist,” said Peter Kornbluh of the National Security Archive at George Washington University, which has been unearthing documents on Mr. Posada’s case. “The historical baggage that he brought with him when he sneaked into the U.S. has created this dilemma for the Bush administration.”

Getting out of jail has not been a problem for Mr. Posada in the past. In Venezuela, where he was held in the prison bombing, he had associates bribe a guard and he walked out dressed as a priest in 1985. In Panama, where he was implicated in a plot to kill Mr. Castro during a visit there, the departing president pardoned him in 2004.

He appears headed for release again, this time from a nondescript holding center ringed by barbed wire near El Paso’s airport.

Mr. Posada’s cloak-and-dagger past — his aliases, his fake passports, his life on the run through Latin America — is over, insists his Miami-based lawyer, Eduardo R. Soto.

In fact, even before Mr. Castro fell ill and ceded power to his brother, Mr. Posada declared his campaign to topple the Cuban leader by force to be over.

“The Cuban government is in a very deteriorated condition, inexorably reaching its end, and I sincerely believe that nothing would help to go back to the past with sabotage campaigns,” Mr. Posada said.

Mr. Posada’s case has eerie parallels with the case of Orlando Bosch, an associate who has also been accused of playing a role in the bombing. The administration of Mr. Bush’s father released Mr. Bosch from prison in 1990, a step praised by many in Florida’s Cuban community. Now 80, he lives outside Miami.

Mr. Posada is two years younger and in failing health, partly the result of a 1990 assassination attempt against him. His application to become a United States citizen has been rejected by the government, but Mr. Posada, who is a naturalized Venezuelan citizen, is pursuing the matter on appeal.

Mr. Soto says Mr. Posada wants to devote whatever time he has left in life to members of his family who live in South Florida, and to a hobby he picked up years ago in prison — painting.
 

Fatghost

Gas Guzzler
That's bullshit.



If you're blowing up planes that belong to communists, you're not a Terrorist, you're a Freedom Fighter. Everyone knows that.
 

Booser

Member
“It feels like a double standard,” Ms. Nenninger, who was born in Guyana but has since become an American citizen, said in a telephone interview from New York. “He should be treated like bin Laden. If this were a plane full of Americans, it would have been a different story.”

Cuba should invade the US. America is clearly the axis of evil.
 

winter

Member
Isn't this more about preventing other countries from attaining information from someone with CIA secrets than it is about "harboring" a terrorist?
 
winter said:
Isn't this more about preventing other countries from attaining information from someone with CIA secrets than it is about "harboring" a terrorist?

CIA secret links with terrorism and other terrorists?
 

APF

Member
What I think is disgusting is that the Bush Administration will send terrorist suspects to allied countries to be TORTURED WITH TORTURE, but they won't send terrorist suspects to enemy countries who will obviously treat them with dignity and flowers and candy inline with the Geneva Conventions, since enemies of the US are inherently more moral and upstanding than the disgusting cretins who would ally with us.
 
APF said:
What I think is disgusting is that the Bush Administration will send terrorist suspects to allied countries to be TORTURED WITH TORTURE, but they won't send terrorist suspects to enemy countries who will obviously treat them with dignity and flowers and candy inline with the Geneva Conventions, since enemies of the US are inherently more moral and upstanding than the disgusting cretins who would ally with us.

This is not APF talking. Who are you, impostor?
 

wave dial

Completely unable to understand satire
sry for late post but do you think they could compromise by holding trial at a third country or at an international court?
 

Fun Factor

Formerly FTWer
“Luis Posada Carriles is a terrorist, but he’s our terrorist,” said Peter Kornbluh of the National Security Archive at George Washington University, which has been unearthing documents on Mr. Posada’s case"

that's good enough for me.
 

Bezz

Banned
CIA? No kidding? CIA is THE terrorist organization. Perhaps a little refrsh of what they have done would help those "Freedom Fighters"

Luis Posada Carriles is a terrorist, a killer, and a damn traitor. He should be send back to Venezuela for his trial for acts of terrorism. Oh the hypocrits, fighting terrorists when they have the father of them all...sick.

So there are good and bad terrorists now? Sick
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
Instigator said:
This is not APF talking. Who are you, impostor?

Oh it most certainly is APF talking. What he's getting at is this: we object to terrorist suspects being renditioned for torture, so we should object to letting this guy be taken by a country that will almost certainly torture him (before killing him). Essentially, he's saying we are all actually fine with torture as long as we're sticking it to the U.S. in the process.
 

Bezz

Banned
bob_arctor said:
Oh it most certainly is APF talking. What he's getting at is this: we object to terrorist suspects being renditioned for torture, so we should object to letting this guy be taken by a country that will almost certainly torture him (before killing him). Essentially, he's saying we are all actually fine with torture as long as we're sticking it to the U.S. in the process.

The people will do the justice. He is not going to be tortured, he is going to be trial and probably get what he deserves...death.

Venezuela and Cuba should do the same, harbor Al Queda and claim they cant give them to the US because they are going to be tortured and killed. It doesnt work that way, U.S GIVE CARRILES NOW!
 

APF

Member
bob_arctor said:
Oh it most certainly is APF talking. What he's getting at is this: we object to terrorist suspects being renditioned for torture, so we should object to letting this guy be taken by a country that will almost certainly torture him (before killing him). Essentially, he's saying we are all actually fine with torture as long as we're sticking it to the U.S. in the process.
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Now where's my hundred bucks?
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
APF said:
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Now where's my hundred bucks?

So I was correct in my interpretation? And if so, how could people like Instigator miss it entirely? Methinks if we weren't both from NYC we wouldn't be such same sides of the coin, even when we aren't. (and I'm saving that hundred bucks for Gears Of War.)
 

APF

Member
bob_arctor said:
So I was correct in my interpretation? And if so, how could people like Instigator miss it entirely? Methinks if we weren't both from NYC we wouldn't be such same sides of the coin, even when we aren't. (and I'm saving that hundred bucks for Gears Of War.)
I doubt anyone actually reads or cares what I have to say anyway... ;)

(I'll use the cash to upgrade Gears to the unnecessary Collector's Edition)
 
bob_arctor said:
(and I'm saving that hundred bucks for Gears Of War.)


Wait!! So...you...uh... play video games? That's the big news here. I figured you just hung out in the OT to post left-wing, anti-Bush sentiments.

I said wow!
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Wait!! So...you...uh... play video games? That's the big news here. I figured you just hung out in the OT to post left-wing, anti-Bush sentiments.

I said wow!

:lol Gamer for life--since Vectrex. Name a geeky niche game, I've probably played it, own it, or yearn for it like nobody's business.
 
bob_arctor said:
:lol Gamer for life--since Vectrex. Name a geeky niche game, I've probably played it, own it, or yearn for it like nobody's business.

Well, at least we can agree on something! :lol

Video Games! Uniting the World! :D
 

wave dial

Completely unable to understand satire
Bezz said:
The people will do the justice. He is not going to be tortured, he is going to be trial and probably get what he deserves...death.

Venezuela and Cuba should do the same, harbor Al Queda and claim they cant give them to the US because they are going to be tortured and killed. It doesnt work that way, U.S GIVE CARRILES NOW!
Won't it be easier to just give them to the Hague?
 
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