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whytemyke

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I'm not gonna sit here and take cheap shots at the President here, but what is it with this guy and natural disasters? The last two huge ones, the Tsunami last winter and Hurricane Katrina, both happened while he was on vacation. Naturally that is not his fault and it'd be a fool who'd accuse him of such. Yet why is it that it's now 4 days after Katrina before he even really speaks out about it, and it was even longer for the Tsunami? Does this guy respond immediately to anything that doesn't involve bombs or war? I understand that clearing brush is a very important thing to get done, but people are dying out there. They could maybe use a leader to speak to them, raise their morale and tell them it'll all be ok, even if it won't. And he waits til Wednesday afternoon to do this? Puh-lease.

He should just go back to crawford and find someone else to be a leader for him. This is ridiculous. I don't think I'm being unfair in expecting the leader of the country to react in a somewhat timely matter to the events taking place. Although, I'm sure his speech in California yesterday was far more important than the 78,000 refugees in New Orleans alone, right?

Only 3.5 more years...
 
I should be more specific in the title... hito didn't suggest i make a thread bashing a president. he suggested that if we were to bash the president, don't do it in the hurricane thread. sorry bout that if it was unclear.
 
I blame him for the gas prices. Not that I have any solid proof or anything, but he's from Texas, has an oil tycoon family, and is messing around in Iraq and the Middle East.

If the shitkicker fits...
 
It's just because he is perpetually on vaction.
Like I said in the other thread, he shouldn't go down there. It won't help. That said, I would have done a lot differently. I.e. Always have the navy, Nat'l Guard, Coast guard ready to go down there whenever there is a hurricane. I would have one of the east coast carriers dump their fighters and load up with choppers and head down there. I'd have the cruise companies load up and ferry people to Texas. More than what's being done should have and could be done. This hurricane isn't something that chraities and private industry are gonna be able to deal with. Something this big is strictly a government operation.
 
None of us have time for me to list and rant about all the reasons I'm disappointed in him, so I'll just say yes and be done with it.
 
Devil's advocate time... what would you have had the president do? It's not like he can get up and condemn a natural disaster... and, perhaps, some might see it as more tasteful NOT to jump into the news and seemingly turn a disaster into a PR shot.
 
Well its not like we had a say so in any of this anyway. Anyway at least its not 4 more years again.











OR IS IT?!
 
DavidDayton said:
Devil's advocate time... what would you have had the president do? It's not like he can get up and condemn a natural disaster... and, perhaps, some might see it as more tasteful NOT to jump into the news and seemingly turn a disaster into a PR shot.

you mean unlike 9/11?
 
DavidDayton said:
Devil's advocate time... what would you have had the president do? It's not like he can get up and condemn a natural disaster... and, perhaps, some might see it as more tasteful NOT to jump into the news and seemingly turn a disaster into a PR shot.
He could have done everything he did today, earlier. Like his opening of the oil reserves. It's not like there was some major breakthrough in information today that changed the need or lack of need for oil help. It shouldn't require a long waiting period to even start THINKING about what can be done to counteract probable issues, let alone known consequences.

This president is absolutely the slowest to respond to anything of real importance, and the fastest to create bullshit issues that shouldn't even be on the public agenda. It's obscene.
 
Drensch said:
I'd have the cruise companies load up and ferry people to Texas.

Your cruise ships would likely be breached and sinking in the MS river right now after running over one of the manny partially and totally sunken ships at the port.
 
teruterubozu said:
you mean unlike 9/11?
When a country is attacked, the leadership has to show support for the people and to let the attackers know where the country stands. You can't "stay silent" when enemy groups attack. Natural disasters sometimes call more a more low key approach.
 
DavidDayton said:
When a country is attacked, the leadership has to show support for the people and to let the attackers know where the country stands. You can't "stay silent" when enemy groups attack. Natural disasters sometimes call more a more low key approach.

But should you then go attack a country that had nothing to do with it?
 
DavidDayton said:
When a country is attacked, the leadership has to show support for the people and to let the attackers know where the country stands. You can't "stay silent" when enemy groups attack. Natural disasters sometimes call more a more low key approach.


Ah..so it's not urgent to let the people know where the Prez stands after a massive historical disaster - Ok, got it.
 
Your cruise ships would likely be breached and sinking in the MS river right now after running over one of the manny partially and totally sunken ships at the port.
Who said they had to drive into a debris strewn port? Common sense says they wouldn't.
 
Kangu said:
Let's not get into technicalities. The important thing is: we kicked their asses.

:lol :lol :lol Thank you.. it's been a really downer of a day following the New Orleans stuff and I really need that laugh. ;)
 
I kept my general disdain of the President no secret. I didn't hate him though-I hated his supporters MUCH, MUCH more.

Now it's personal and I am hating him with a burning rage I generally reserve for pushy fundies and rabid free market facists. I was born in New Orleans, I have visted the city too many times to count in my life (and I'm not that old), I worked in the same neighborhoods of very poor people I see limping their way to the Superbowl through contanminated water (and know that there's tons of them dead in their homes since they are too poor to evacuate). This mother fucker let a MAJOR CITY BE ALMOST COMPLETELY DESTROYED ON HIS WATCH. Blame it on the hurricane all you want-I've made my conclusion-the levees would possibly hold if the Amry Corps of Engineers was given the money they needed to complete their projects to protect the city. He gambled and we've all lost big time.

I'm also pissed as hell because the man is completely stoic and uncaring, shows no empathy unless it's all prestaged (in five days they'll have it all scripted out for the dramatic approval-booster), and won't even ask for fuel conservation, which pisses me off to no end.

Worst President Ever.
 
How many Bush-bashing threads have we had on GAF now? Come on, someone must have a tally since each on seems to be such a momentous occaision here.

I'm not a "bush follower" at all, but blaming the guy for a hurricane now is just plain crazy. But then again, I'm pretty sure people were blaming him for the Tsunami as well.
 
Fragamemnon said:
Blame it on the hurricane all you want-I've made my conclusion-the levees would possibly hold if the Amry Corps of Engineers was given the money they needed to complete their projects to protect the city. He gambled and we've all lost big time.
No way, he's directly or indirectly responsible for the legislation that cut their federal funding? That's huge.
 
Ark-AMN said:
How many Bush-bashing threads have we had on GAF now? Come on, someone must have a tally since each on seems to be such a momentous occaision here.

I'm not a "bush follower" at all, but blaming the guy for a hurricane now is just plain crazy. But then again, I'm pretty sure people were blaming him for the Tsunami as well.

At least all the smug Bush-blaming comments will gravitate to this thread, rather than derailing legitimate discussion.
 
I didn't vote for him for his first term. I thought he handled 9/11 and the immediate aftermath in a very Presidential way, and I had hope. I thought that going into Afghanistan to go after Al Qaeda and the Taliban regime that was sheltering them was the right thing to do, and again, I had hope.

And then he started talking about Iraq, and it all went downhill, fast.
 
Fragamemnon said:
Blame it on the hurricane all you want-I've made my conclusion-the levees would possibly hold if the Amry Corps of Engineers was given the money they needed to complete their projects to protect the city. He gambled and we've all lost big time.


If anyone had bothered to read the actual budget and looked at the cuts taken place or proposed in FY05 and FY06 they would find out that funding for ACOE projects of national importance were actually increased.

http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/cepa/pubs/mar05/STORY1.HTM


From what i have read the ACOE has been plagued for years with mis-appropriation of money and backlogs of projects. THAT is the reason for cutting wasteful ACOE projects out of the budget. For more information on the wasteful and harmful projects of the ACOE: http://www.taxpayer.net/corpswatch/crossroads/index.htm

http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/cepa/pubs/mar05/STORY1.HTM

Blame it Bush all you want-I've made my conclusion-People should leave thier blind hatred at the door and really research what is going on with the government, instead of reposting something they heard on some blog.
 
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Kangu said:
Let's not get into technicalities. The important thing is: we kicked their asses.
 
The Experiment said:
Nah. There were lots of shittier Presidents than Bush.

He is the worst president. This country will go down the toilet once gas prices skyrocket up. Doesn't help that the energy bill they recently signed sucks as well because its more on oil dependence than conservation and fuel alternatives. Great for the oil industry, bad for everyone else :P. Oh yeah, no fucking solid plans for iraq or the fact that we invaded thier country and trying to setup our own idea of freedom for people who can't even comprehend the western ideologies in the first place. Hmmm, I wonder what else Bush can fuck up? Social Security? Health Care? Immigration? I have no idea where this country is now heading, maybe facism who knows :P
 
SteveMeister said:
I didn't vote for him for his first term. I thought he handled 9/11 and the immediate aftermath in a very Presidential way, and I had hope. I thought that going into Afghanistan to go after Al Qaeda and the Taliban regime that was sheltering them was the right thing to do, and again, I had hope.

And then he started talking about Iraq, and it all went downhill, fast.

My thoughts exactly.
 
To be fair to Bush (I know, I'm feeling charitable today), he's really not that much worse than most of the Presidents since WW2. The US has persued the same sorts of foreign policy designed around attaining global hegemony, etc. since then with each administration...it's just that Bush has been the most blatently obvious about it. The main differences between succeeding administrations is more to do with rhetoric than actual policies. As for his treatment of the hurricane, it's been pretty lackluster...but what would you expect, really?
 
DavidDayton said:
Devil's advocate time... what would you have had the president do? It's not like he can get up and condemn a natural disaster... and, perhaps, some might see it as more tasteful NOT to jump into the news and seemingly turn a disaster into a PR shot.
1) Reports were coming in by Sunday night about the severity of it. I wouldn't have had him wait 3 days to speak to the nation about it.
2) I would have had him actually get out and meet with the colonels in charge of the Nat'l Guard rescue operations, as well as discuss with the OIC at the TOC of the Army Engineers what he could do to assist them further.
3) Appeal to the rest of the world for assistance in this time of need. They're offering it, and there's nothing good about being too proud to accept.
4) i'd buy the whole 'not using it as a PR shot' thing if he wasn't off doing other bullshit during the time. I mean, his constituents-- the people that pay his salary-- are out there dying, floating amongst the dead, and trying to find some reason not to just let themselves die. And he thinks that they're better served by him continuing to do his normal bullshit routine?

And everyone else trying to attack me for making a Bush-bashing thread (I'm looking at you, ark-AMN and argon), listen up: I am an American citizen. I pay my taxes. The President answers to me. It is my right as an American taxpaying citizen to question the motives of my President, even when I agree with his actions. When I disagree with his actions, it's not even my right anymore-- it's my duty. And when the President fails to do his job at all, and it could possibly end up costing our country lives, up to thousands, because he'd rather be on vacation or pursuing other meaningless political games, then I get incredibly upset, just as anyone else would do if somebody they had employed refused to do their job and it cost lives. That's why I'm pissed at Bush, because his complacency and apathy towards this entire situation, as well as other world disasters like the Tsunami (I mean, offering a million dollars of federal money at first to relief funds? He should be ashamed), is ultimately causing more harm than good, as any casual observer can see. And it makes me embarassed to think that I'm from the same country as people who would readily turn the other cheek while their leader, their Commander-in-Chief, shies away from solving real problems and doing his job so as to complete his month-long vacation. I'm stunned that people would give him a free ride in this, as it isn't even a political issue-- it's about humanity, and Dubya has proven that he lacks horribly in this department. Of course, I'm sure everybody who likes him everyday will just go on and say that I'm some left-wing zany who would find a reason to hate him regardless, and that may be true... it may be true. But that doesn't excuse his inaction and apathy towards these disasters.
 
Honestly, I think it takes him several days to prepare for "important" public speeches. No dig. Even his supporters will cede that he has trouble with oration.
 
We've had worse presidents? Perhaps ever since there have BEEN Presidents, yes. But What president have we had in like the past 50 years that's worse than Bush? The only one I could think of is Nixon. I'd say Bush and Nixon are on par with being the shittiest of Presidents the country has ever known. But Nixon was a long, long time ago.

Fragamemnon said:
I kept my general disdain of the President no secret. I didn't hate him though-I hated his supporters MUCH, MUCH more.

Now it's personal and I am hating him with a burning rage I generally reserve for pushy fundies and rabid free market facists. I was born in New Orleans, I have visted the city too many times to count in my life (and I'm not that old), I worked in the same neighborhoods of very poor people I see limping their way to the Superbowl through contanminated water (and know that there's tons of them dead in their homes since they are too poor to evacuate). This mother fucker let a MAJOR CITY BE ALMOST COMPLETELY DESTROYED ON HIS WATCH. Blame it on the hurricane all you want-I've made my conclusion-the levees would possibly hold if the Amry Corps of Engineers was given the money they needed to complete their projects to protect the city. He gambled and we've all lost big time.

I'm also pissed as hell because the man is completely stoic and uncaring, shows no empathy unless it's all prestaged (in five days they'll have it all scripted out for the dramatic approval-booster), and won't even ask for fuel conservation, which pisses me off to no end.

Worst President Ever.
Well said.

But... I don't know if ANYTHING could have stopped this extremely slow moving storm entirely. Then again, on the other hand, if those projects were completed like they should have, even though they would have been destroyed, they probably would have at least held back more water!

Yeah, I can't wait for Bush's scripted approval rating booster to help his worthless self. He makes me sick to my stomach too... not a day goes by where I don't spend 5 or 10 minutes wondering why the public was so stupid in re-electing this man. Should we be mad at Bush, or the people who chose Bush? I don't know what's worse: the fact that our President is so very dumb in the most obvious ways, or the fact that the people are so dumb that they couldn't even see THAT.

Hey, projects in major cities are given the shaft, troops are dying, the economy is a mess, fuel prices are skyrocketing... but hey. No gay people will get married! Boggles my mind that GAY MARRIAGE was what probably let the bastard win Ohio.
 
Fragamemnon said:
I kept my general disdain of the President no secret. I didn't hate him though-I hated his supporters MUCH, MUCH more.

Now it's personal and I am hating him with a burning rage I generally reserve for pushy fundies and rabid free market facists. I was born in New Orleans, I have visted the city too many times to count in my life (and I'm not that old), I worked in the same neighborhoods of very poor people I see limping their way to the Superbowl through contanminated water (and know that there's tons of them dead in their homes since they are too poor to evacuate). This mother fucker let a MAJOR CITY BE ALMOST COMPLETELY DESTROYED ON HIS WATCH. Blame it on the hurricane all you want-I've made my conclusion-the levees would possibly hold if the Amry Corps of Engineers was given the money they needed to complete their projects to protect the city. He gambled and we've all lost big time.

I'm also pissed as hell because the man is completely stoic and uncaring, shows no empathy unless it's all prestaged (in five days they'll have it all scripted out for the dramatic approval-booster), and won't even ask for fuel conservation, which pisses me off to no end.

Worst President Ever.



You win the thread dude ... You have completely crossed over from hopeless liberal to hopeless crackpot.


As far as stoic and uncaring ... I would rather a national leader show resolve and confidence rather than Bill Clinton's tired, pouty, lips spouting such bullshit garbage like "I ... feeeeel ... your pain!" Like a third-rate, hammy soap opera actor.



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As far as the topic header is concerned. "Disappointed" implies that you had high hopes to begin with. Certainly, GAF should not be confused with people that actually had some kind of high expectations from GWB. I know I didn't .. and I am a Republican.

The only people you have to blame are yourselves .. for failing to beat this guy in two consecutive elections. Both times he was vunerable ... but your message failed.


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Making ridiculous rants on a forum and blaming Bush for every evil in this world (Like the laughable Fragamamamomim does) doesn't endear people to your cause .. it just justifies the other side when they label you "kooks" or "wackos".

Carry on.
 
Yes, it's important that Bush show that he's unphased by the destruction wrought upon New Orleans and the millions of poor people there who've lost everything...even though it had no effect on him whatsoever. How brave of him! :rolleyes:

I duno, in these sorts of situations, I'd at least like to suspend my disbelief enough to be able to pretend that the President cares about what's happened, but it's obvious this time that he really doesn't give a fuck.
 
Toxic, did it ever phase you that the reason for such a blunt and harsh statement is that he used to live and work in an area that is now in ruins and contains many dead people? That hits close to home for him. When you lose something that's a part of you, sometimes we don't always say the right things or start to overreact. It's only natural.

Frag has every right to speak his mind on the matter, this is a free country. And as far as his perhaps outrageous attack on Bush's laziness? Let me try to come up with an analogy.

Bush is like a troubled child with really good parents (the parents here being the people who can't stand him and want what they feel is the best for this country). The child always makes a mess of things, starts an argument, is a snob, etc. One day he's doing mostly everything right for once but he forgot to put one of his toys away, and his mom flips out. This is what George W. Bush is doing to many Americans. It might not be what he did today, a week ago, or six months ago, but everything beforehand that just keeps building, and bulding, and building. To the point where he could say or do ANYTHING, even if his intentions are good, and it will piss people off regardless.

Corny analogy, yes. But the reason why people like Frag and even myself will go off on the man like that is because we're sick and tired of the same old song and dance from him.
 
Toxic, are you honestly blaming the DNC that Bush is such a lousy person? First off, I'd think it spoke loudly to the state of the decay of this country that such a horrible person as GWB can get reelected in the first place, regardless of who was running against him. Second off, don't try to excuse his inaction by pointing the blame at someone else. Like I said, this is entirely without party or politic-- it's about being a living human being and trying to reach out to your other human beings.

Hugo Fucking Chavez should NOT be making comments and offering salvation and aide to the people of New Orleans before their own fucking PRESIDENT does, and the fact that you could excuse that really pisses me off and makes me wonder if you even care about them to begin with. I mean, really, do you even care about people so little that you're willing to vouch for the President when his inaction is so obviously hurting the country?
 
Note: I have not read much about the hurricane...been out of the news loop recently.

But I've been disappointed by Bush for... what, 5-6 years now? Back when I was younger, I read an article on the Texan governor who was going to run for president. I read something about "compassionate conservatism". Well, I actually fell for that line. Still don't know why, but I did. Perhaps it was because I was more conservative back then or perhaps I was tired of hearing about Clinton's scandals. condoleezza Rice seemed like someone I would want leading the country's foreign affairs; the Stanford provost position was the cherry on the ice cream. Then came the Bob Jones visit and McCain screw and then came disappointment. Post election selections of Linda Chavez and John Ashcroft made me think..."uniter not a divider, my ass". Later things like counting hatchery fish for the Endangered Species Act or the constitutional admendment against gay marriage really seared in the disappointment.
 
One, in respond to pollo in the Katrina thread, the first priority in this situation is saving people and getting order restored. It's not politics first, it's people first. However, that doesn't mean some of us have a single track mind and can't focus on the administration's politics and efforts in response to it.

Two, in response to ToxicAdam, we're not all blaming the president for the hurricane. I don't agree with Frag's response that Bush himself could do much to prevent it; what I do agree with is whytemyke's portrayal of Bush's slow reaction. Something of this magnitude does not excuse golfing the day before while the damage worsens and the body count rises. Nor are we all Democrats. And even so, unfortunately, no amount of chest beating on their part would've done any good, and frankly, to pass the blame to the Democrats for failing to win is every bit as absurd. There's also an implication that your lack of expectations mean you failed, for failing to get the message of a better Republican candidate out there. Sometimes we get stuck with lemons, but that doesn't mean things need to or should get worse.

Frankly, Arianna Huffington's recent post basically sums up precisely how I feel:

The president's 35-minute Air Force One flyover of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama was the perfect metaphor for his entire presidency: detached, disconnected, and disengaged. Preferring to take in America's suffering -- whether caused by the war in Iraq or Hurricane Katrina -- from a distance. In this case, 2,500 feet.

Apparently, the president "sat somberly on a couch on the left hand side of the presidential jumbo jet peering out the window" at the catastrophe below, joined at different times by White House staffers including Karl Rove and Scott McClellan.


McClellan later quoted the president as saying, "It's devastating. It's got to be doubly devastating on the ground." Ya think?? Hey, here's an idea, Mr. President: maybe you should, y'know, get off the plane and see for yourself?

Instead, he jetted on to Washington for a brisk 9-minute Rose Garden speech designed to let us know that his administration was doing everything in its power to mitigate the looming PR disaster the flooding of New Orleans could create for the White House... Uh, I mean, everything in its power to aid the recovery.

The speech contained the usual Bush bonhomie (he's "confident" New Orleans "will be back on its feet, and America will be a stronger place for it"). But the most telling moment came when the president discussed the ways his administration was moving to help ease the suffering of profit-soaked oil companies impacted by the storm, pointing out that he had instructed Energy Secretary Sam Bodman to work with refineries to "alleviate any shortage through loans" and that the EPA had waived clean air standards for gasoline and diesel fuels in all 50 states. You could almost see him getting misty.

He also unleashed a torrent of facts and figures: "The Department of Transportation has provided more than 400 trucks to move 1,000 truckloads containing 5.4 million Meals Ready to Eat -- or MREs, 13.4 million liters of water, 10,400 tarps, 3.4 million pounds of ice, 144 generators, 20 containers of pre-positioned disaster supplies, 135,000 blankets and 11,000 cots." It was as if by piling so many disparate numbers so high he might be able to block out the two most significant numbers of all: the number of National Guardsmen unable to help out in Louisiana and Mississippi because they are deployed in Iraq, and the tens of millions of hurricane and flood-control dollars that never made it to Lake Pontchartrain because they had been diverted to Iraq.

The president's Rose Garden speech followed an all-hands-on-deck press briefing earlier in the day featuring Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and as many cabinet members and agency heads could be crammed around a podium, including Bodman of Energy, Mineta of Transportation, Johnson of the EPA, Leavitt of HHS, and McHale of DoD. It had the feel of the old circus bit where clown after clown after clown piles out of the impossibly small car.

And, like the president, Chertoff and company came armed with plenty of designed-to-obfuscate numbers. In one head-spinning riff, Chertoff rattled off info on "39 disaster medical assistance teams," "1,700 trailer trucks," "truckloads of water, ice, meals, medical supplies, generators, tents and tarpaulins," as well as the Coast Guard's "three national strike teams" and other "ships, boats and aircraft" that had "worked heroically for the last 48 hours, rescuing and assisting well more than 1,000 people who were in distress." But still no mention of those unavailable Guardsmen or the funds that were taken away from shoring up Lake Pontchartrain and shipped over to Iraq.

Those are the blood red elephants floating belly-up in the middle of this deadly disaster -- and the reason for the full-court PR press.

During his press briefing, Chertoff declared the aftermath of Katrina "an incident of national significance." It's clear from Bush and his team's actions how worried they are that, as the facts come out, it will become "an incident of political significance" as well.
 
Vandiger said:
He is the worst president. This country will go down the toilet once gas prices skyrocket up. Doesn't help that the energy bill they recently signed sucks as well because its more on oil dependence than conservation and fuel alternatives. Great for the oil industry, bad for everyone else :P. Oh yeah, no fucking solid plans for iraq or the fact that we invaded thier country and trying to setup our own idea of freedom for people who can't even comprehend the western ideologies in the first place. Hmmm, I wonder what else Bush can fuck up? Social Security? Health Care? Immigration? I have no idea where this country is now heading, maybe facism who knows :P

Sounds like Jimmy Carter only without the double digit inflation rates.

The worst presidents tend to be in the 1850s-1870s. A lot of them waffled on slavery and after slavery, most of them put up haphazard efforts to end racism. Most ex-slaves went right back to being their masters.
 
I understand your guys' concerns (sorry I don't have time to answer all of you individually). But you are a bit off base here.

You are trying to project onto Bush what YOU want a President to do. You want a Big Daddy .. someone that is going to hold your hand and coo you to sleep ... "It will be okay ... Daddy will make it better". That's not Bush. He's a roll your sleeves up, jump in and fix what needs fixing. Say a few words then get to work. That's how he always has been. I don't understand the big surprise.

As far as the "flyover" that the President made ... considering the large swath of destruction that Katrina produced .. what other choice does he have? Take a helicopter and individually visit each city with a shovel in hand for the next week? I mean ... everyone is full of criticism ..but I don't see any EXAMPLES OF WHAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE today.

Most of the places he visited are DANGEROUS and UNSTABLE. The logistical nightmare of a Presidential visit during the best of times is ridiculous .. imagine in a situation that exists there. Things would come to a grinding halt.

Plus, you are being disingenous. It didn't matter what he would have done .. you would have criticised him regardless. He either acts too rashly .. too slowly. Spoke to fast .. didn't say anything at all. Only cares about his cronies .. doesn't care at all. Etc etc.

In the end .. if you have any complaints about pre-existing situations .. or current inactions ... that falls on the State themselves.
 
Diablos said:
We've had worse presidents? Perhaps ever since there have BEEN Presidents, yes. But What president have we had in like the past 50 years that's worse than Bush? The only one I could think of is Nixon. I'd say Bush and Nixon are on par with being the shittiest of Presidents the country has ever known. But Nixon was a long, long time ago.

Well, despite being a racist asshole, Nixon actually did implement some progressive policies. I myself would probably keep him off of a "worst Presidents" list.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Plus, you are being disingenous. It didn't matter what he would have done .. you would have criticised him regardless. He either acts too rashly .. too slowly. Spoke to fast .. didn't say anything at all. Only cares about his cronies .. doesn't care at all. Etc etc.

Now who's projecting here? :rolleyes I'd be glad to praise Bush if he did something right...so far though, there hasn't been much cause for that.
 
One last thing, it's not lost on me how laughable it is to criticise a President about a LOCAL issue when you had a State and Local government that was QUITE CAPABLE of solving this problem that they knew existed for DECADES.


But the hang up was ... Louisiana happens to be one of the most corrupt state governments in the union. Years of squandered choices and chances. Scandals, criminals and wasted dollars ... all going through the government offices of Louisiana and New Orleans.

How bad did the state government get? They almost elected a KKK clansman as the governer. Because that is how corrupt the Democratic choice was .. that a former Grand Wizard would be a viable alternative.


Credit Mayor Nagin for actually being one of the first politicians to start to clean up that mess .. NO seems to be in capable hands now.... but it may be too late.
 
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