Anything that Bush is doing right?

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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
We always talk negatively about EVERYTHING that Bush has done wrong, but is there anything that he has done to help the nation out?

I read last week in my local paper that the unemployment rate is it's lowest it has been in 4 years. And you don't hear too much about Afghanistan anymore. Either it's a non-issue and has managed some form of stability, or the media and the general public in general just stopped caring.

and I guess he has gotten some good Supreme Court justices put in, anything else?

questions, comments, debates? (as my old sociology teacher ALWAYS said)
 
actually, the ONE thing recently that i think he did right was to let an arab company control US ports... i mean it's just blatant SOMETHING-ism to say they can't do an adequate job just because they're arab...
 
Christopher Cox, the new SEC head, is pushing to overhaul the rules on disclosure of executive pay, so that the information is more transparent, and stuff like stock options can't be swept under the carpet.

People were expecting Cox to be very pro-business and anti-reform/regulation. There's lots of other stuff, which may be more important (like fixing the accounting practices that let companies underfund their pensions), but this is a good step.

Oh, don't be fooled by the unemployment rate. It's artificially lower because of people not looking for work anymore. The labor participation rate is still lower than during the 90's.
 
Hasn't declared war on Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan, Yemen, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qutar, or U.A.E.
Pronounced Poland correctly.
Hasn't announced support for nuclear cooperation with another country or further nuclear weapons development in over 4 weeks.
Nominated Bernanke to replace Greenspan.
Hasn't shot any elderly people in the face.
Only choked on one pretzel.
Eventually responded to New Orleans being annihiliated.
Eventually stopped reading to schoolchildren and responded to the Twin Towers being blown up.
Killed Al-Qaeda's No. 2 man at least 6 times.
Mentioned something about being addicted to oil, needing to fix Social Security, and possibly acknowledged global warming the last time he was in Crawford,TX clearing brush, as he wiped his brow and rolled up his sleeves. Or maybe that's a sign he's rebuilding devastated homes again, like he & Laura did in New Orleans during an on-air interview with Matt Lauer.
 
Cheebs said:
Why would you think that? Alito and Roberts are idiots.

I'm a big libby and I still find it hard to argue with the credentials of Alito. Roberts is, with a smaller record, probably more questionable...but not really.
 
welll.....um.....there was the...no wait...Well I did like the whole help with the African AIDS epidemic thing. That was pretty good. As for Alito/Roberts no matter how good they are those picks further split the country, and also as a minority it was dismaying to see even more white men being put on the court. What's wrong with a vato? Or a woman perhaps?
 
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He hasn't nuked anyone.

He hasn't invaded another country.

Its a tough one, folks.

and also as a minority it was dismaying to see even more white men being put on the court. What's wrong with a vato? Or a woman perhaps?

Why should race and gender take into account of being a Justice? I want the best on the bench, not a quota.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
I'm a big libby and I still find it hard to argue with the credentials of Alito. Roberts is, with a smaller record, probably more questionable...but not really.
They have lots of experience but that doesn't maker either of them any less idiots.

Bush appointed a right-winger male to replace a moderate female. That is not acceptable.
 
i think the only good thing that he's doing is finally talking to the oil companies to get them to invest in alternative fuel.

uh... he's good at clearing brush.

another thing he's good at? Let me think... hm. Oh, he's EXCELLENT at grossly simplifying everything in the world. He's got competition, as usually it's the DNC that does it, but he took the taco on this one.
 
The Experiment said:
Why should race and gender take into account of being a Justice? I want the best on the bench, not a quota.

I agree on this 100%.

That said, they're far from "the best".

Unless you mean "the best" at pushing evangelic views into law at the expense of personal rights.
 
SnakeXs said:
I agree on this 100%.

That said, they're far from "the best".

Unless you mean "the best" at pushing evangelic views into law at the expense of personal rights.

I know, they're not even close but my point stands. I'd rather have the best on the bench, not a quota system. The laws of this nation are powerful and its fates should be determined by the best of the best. Alito is a better choice than Miers but neither of them are that good. Same goes for John Roberts.

I didn't have a problem with Alito personally. He is a Conservative judge but he's got a lot of experience. Sometimes people do change when they get in a high position like this. We might think that Alito will ban abortion and take the US back to 1850 but you never actually know. Its unfair to assume that he will.

Roberts was a shitty choice in my opinion.
 
AlteredBeast said:
I read last week in my local paper that the unemployment rate is it's lowest it has been in 4 years.
Yeah, the president from the previous term really dropped the ball. Way to pick up your own balls, Mr President.
 
Roberts is the best SC nominee in the last 50 years. Just IMO.

Its extremely difficult to argue against either one of them outside of their supposed political views. Their credentials are impeccable. Roberts more so than Alito.
 
Rorschach said:
Yeah, the president from the previous term really dropped the ball. Way to pick up your own balls, Mr President.

*sighs*

This is old hat now. The bubble burst in March 2000 under Clinton. Bush had absolutely no bearing what-so-ever on the economic downturn associated with that. And then throw in 9/11.......

The fact of the matter is that while the job numbers haven't been as great as the late 90's, they have been pretty darn impressive on their own merits.
 
siamesedreamer said:
*sighs*

This is old hat now. The bubble burst in March 2000 under Clinton. Bush had absolutely no bearing what-so-ever on the economic downturn associated with that. And then throw in 9/11.......

The fact of the matter is that while the job numbers haven't been as great as the late 90's, they have been pretty darn impressive on their own merits.
We were talking the last 4 years, not the last 6.
 
siamesedreamer said:
*sighs*

This is old hat now. The bubble burst in March 2000 under Clinton. Bush had absolutely no bearing what-so-ever on the economic downturn associated with that. And then throw in 9/11.......

The fact of the matter is that while the job numbers haven't been as great as the late 90's, they have been pretty darn impressive on their own merits.

the real problem is that the median income is growing slower than inflation, so only the people at the top of the economic ladder are actually benefitting. The vast majority people are actually losing wealth in a growing economy.

Its extremely difficult to argue against either one of them outside of their supposed political views. Their credentials are impeccable. Roberts more so than Alito.

What? The guy has hardly any experience being a judge, how can you argue his "credentials are impeccable"? Alito certainly has better "credentials" than Roberts, and even then you can make good pro / con arguments either way.
 
Nerevar said:
the real problem is that the median income is growing slower than inflation, so only the people at the top of the economic ladder are actually benefitting. The vast majority people are actually losing wealth in a growing economy.

Correct.
 
Based on Noam Chomsky's figures of sanctions killing 5,000 children a month, he has killed fewer Iraqis than President Clinton.
 
maynerd said:
When the answer is no there isn't more to say. Feel free to provide your list.


Well let's see.....

OP pointed out that employment is at an all time low. Jobs are pretty abundant in all sectors (entry level and mid to high level as well). From local reports here in Oregon, education has been improving over the past 2 years which is in direct corrilation with some of the bills past by congress under Bush, I for one feel like Iraq is a country we don't have to worry about as much.... not saying we don't have to worry, but the threat is less. Boarders are starting to get locked down which is a good thing since Clinton didn't really do anything about illegals in the States (or realizing that it would be a security concern), the government we have now kept us (advisors, greenspan etc) kept us from probably a depressoin that would've set us back 20 years....

Dunno, those are the things I can think off the top of my head.
 
Guileless said:
Based on Noam Chomsky's figures of sanctions killing 5,000 children a month, he has killed fewer Iraqis than President Clinton.

Hey look Clinton found his way into a Bush thread. Imagine that!
 
Hasn't announced support for nuclear cooperation with another country or further nuclear weapons development in over 4 weeks.
Actually, he announced such a deal with India this week.
 
VictimOfGrief said:
Well let's see.....

OP pointed out that employment is at an all time low. Jobs are pretty abundant in all sectors (entry level and mid to high level as well). From local reports here in Oregon, education has been improving over the past 2 years which is in direct corrilation with some of the bills past by congress under Bush, I for one feel like Iraq is a country we don't have to worry about as much.... not saying we don't have to worry, but the threat is less. Boarders are starting to get locked down which is a good thing since Clinton didn't really do anything about illegals in the States (or realizing that it would be a security concern), the government we have now kept us (advisors, greenspan etc) kept us from probably a depressoin that would've set us back 20 years....

Dunno, those are the things I can think off the top of my head.

1. UNemployment is not at an ALL time low
2. No children left behind is a program that MANY consider a failure
3. Most people believe we are NOT safer due to the invasion of Iraq
4. Bush is consistantly being slammed for his policies on illegal imigrants in this country

What planet are you from?

VictimOfGrief said:
that's it, you're getting moved to ignored.

Oh I'm so hurt. :(
 
I don't attribute the deaths from sanctions to President Clinton or consider the source reliable. However, there are people who disagree with me, and they can rest easy knowing that the number of Iraqi children dying has been reduced to something less than 5,000 a month because the sanctions were removed.
 
Losing wealth?

:lol Hardly.

Wealth is a combination of everything. Can you honestly sit there and say that the people at the top of the economic ladder are the only ones benefitting from the current housing boom?
 
OP pointed out that employment is at an all time low. Jobs are pretty abundant in all sectors (entry level and mid to high level as well).
Lets destroy that myth now: {easy explaination stolen from WhipperSnapper @anandtech)

THE MYTH OF THE UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS: What people don't realize about the unemployment numbers...is that they are heavily politicized numbers that do not necessarily reflect reality.
(1) The numbers do not tell us what kinds of jobs people work. An upper middle class job counts just as much as a poverty-wage job. Did you know that people in third world countries work too? It's quite possible to have 5% unemployment with the majority of the populace being working poor. They're all employed--they're just working poor. (Don't like the low wage? We'll ship your job to China.) So, 95% employment at poverty wage jobs = 5% unemployment. (Yippee!) and 95% employment at solid middle class jobs = 5% unemployment. (OMG, it looks the same!) Thus, the unemployment number doesn't tell us all that much about the actual state of the job market or people's standard of living. It doesn't tell us whether we're still a first world country or whether we're descending to third world status.

(2) The unemployment numbers often purposely ignore people who have "dropped out" of the job market. These are people who want to work but often can't find anything other than poverty wage jobs. You'd more or less refer to them as being unemployed if you knew them personally. So, the laid-off 57 year old MBA who suffers age discrimination and who concludes that he might as well just retire early and live frugally off of his savings rather than work at McWalmart is not "unemployed" according to the data even though he'd like to work at a job that's appropriate to his abilities. The college-educated guy who's been searching for a middle class job for over a year might be regarded as having "dropped out" of the labor force--so he doesn't count as unemployed. The college-educated mother of two who decides that it makes more economic sense to be a housewife because she can't find anything better than a $7/hour job also doesn't count as unemployed even though she'd gladly take a job that paid a wage commensurate to the value of her college degree.

(3) The unemployment numbers may count part-time work. The guy who's seriously underemployed and only working 10 hours/week still counts as "employed" even though we know he's probably poor.

(4) The unemployment numbers don't tell us about underemployment. You know that smart guy with the Ph.D. in Chemistry who works 65 hours/week as a postdoctoral research (a "postdoc") without any benefits or job security on a 2-year gypsy scientist position for a mere $30,000/year (!!!)? (This comes after 10 years of college education.) He's employed too as far as the unemployment numbers are concerned! You know that guy with the bachelor's degree who could only find work for $8/hour as a cashier at the local office supply store? He's "employed" too as far as the unemployment numbers are concerned.

(5) It's possible that people who work multiple jobs might count as multiple employed people in the unemployment numbers. So, when the impoverished mother of three who works three jobs is counted, even though she can barely support herself and her family on her three jobs, she counts as (ta-da) three employed people! As a result, of the above, the real unemployment number is a multiple of the reported "unemployment" number. So, if the unemployment number is "5%" the real number is probably more like 25%. The unemployment number should be changed to only count solid middle class jobs (and better) jobs. That would provide us with a much better indicator of the state of the employment market. The numbers they're reporting for us now are worse than worthless because they are so misleading.

People make far less now than they did even 6 years ago. The gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever. The tax burden has shifted to lower income brackets, and outrageous prices on energy affect lower incomes more than rich oil barons. There is a reason why Bush economic numbers are shit like all his other numbers.

From local reports here in Oregon, education has been improving over the past 2 years which is in direct corrilation with some of the bills past by congress under Bush
Science and math have taken abeating under this prez who has done all he can to destroy science. The focus on standardized testing produces test takers who can't apply actual knowledge. Foreign students and grad students are leavig the country in droves, and they are the engine that produces scientific breakthroughs.


I for one feel like Iraq is a country we don't have to worry about as much.... not saying we don't have to worry, but the threat is less.
If anything the threat is greater now.

Boarders are starting to get locked down which is a good thing since Clinton didn't really do anything about illegals in the States (or realizing that it would be a security concern),
What has Bush done? Hell, his own party is in full riot mode due to his wink, nudge attitude on this.


the government we have now kept us (advisors, greenspan etc) kept us from probably a depressoin that would've set us back 20 years....

Doubtful. Although Bush and his defenders like to act as if 9/11 is the excuse for their shit economic numbers(and anything else), the fact is, is that under him, it was going to shit anyways 9/11 actually had a very small long term impact.

Face it, Bush has manged to fuck up, or preside over fuck ups in just about everything.
 
siamesedreamer said:
Losing wealth?

:lol Hardly.

Wealth is a combination of everything. Can you honestly sit there and say that the people at the top of the economic ladder are the only ones benefitting from the current housing boom?

Of course it's a combination of lots of factors, I'm just using the same objective economic numbers that you're using to justify an economy that's "recovering" to point out that it's not quite as rosy as the some people like to think. And yeah, lots of people are benefitting from the housing boom, but not only is that starting to level off the foreclosure rate in most states is at an all-time high. There are a lot of different factors in play, and just looking at one (i.e. rising home values) ignores a whole lot of factors. Can you honestly say that the average person is benefitting from the dramatically rising costs of health insurance and cost of education? But hey, keep cherry picking the good economic factors if it makes you feel better.

VictimOfGrief said:
keep it coming folks.... this helps me set up my filters for the next time you decide to speak out of your asses.

This from someone with the tag "forever dumb" is priceless. Your counter argument is already too easy to predict - you're not really a moron who ignores competent arguments, you are a victom of the liberal GAF mods. Here's an idea: grow up.
 
VictimOfGrief said:
keep it coming folks.... this helps me set up my filters for the next time you decide to speak out of your asses.

Interesting you sound like Bush. Don't agree with the truth. Just push the ignore button.
 
siamesedreamer said:
Losing wealth?

:lol Hardly.

Wealth is a combination of everything. Can you honestly sit there and say that the people at the top of the economic ladder are the only ones benefitting from the current housing boom?

Not being able to afford a house at today's inflated prices, I can safely say that I'm not benefitting from it. But yeah, a lot of people have, and will make a killing in housing.

It's things like rising housing prices that are making average americans lose wealth. Too many people are getting in over their heads with mortgages trying to cash in on the real estate boom, and are finding themselves without a pot to piss in when they can't make their monthly payments. Higher prices are great for sellers in the market, but if median incomes continue to rise disproportionately lower than housing costs, future generations of home buyers am fucked.
 
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