At the same time, nothing has changed since yesterday. At most some screenshots were removed.
It seems to be a quite childish move from Atlus. If you want to take down your opponent in the street, you do not ask him to change his shirt.
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Apparently Atlus requested removal of all Persona 5 info from RPCS3 site
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At the same time, nothing has changed since yesterday. At most some screenshots were removed.
It seems to be a quite childish move from Atlus. If you want to take down your opponent in the street, you do not ask him to change his shirt.
"supported BR Drive" seems the blocking point. Are they widespread ?
Rellik
Member
Of course it is. They're a shit company and should be called out for their bullshit.
Yeah, there's a list over at the RPCS3 site covering which drives are compatible with PS3 discs. It's not exhaustive, just the ones users have verified work.
jediyoshi
Member
Here's a somewhat older showcase video that I created for them that was featured on their front page
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRfMSYtYsE
Of course it featured Persona 5 so it also got culled. More recent video of P5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vp6D4de5B4
I have just decided I'm gonna buy an used copy of Persona 5 for PS3, rip the game on a friend's PS3, and emulate it on PC despite planning to get a PS4 eventually.
Ardenyal
Member
Out of curiosity. How many Atlus games do you own?
MotionBlue
Member
It is a shitty thing to do, but entirely within their rights. Emulation is still a grey area in certain countries thanks to corporate lobbying.
I wonder if Atlus America will comment like before? SEGA seems really pc friendly too, do they not get input?
I wonder if Atlus America will comment like before? SEGA seems really pc friendly too, do they not get input?
Not sure about that, Bayonetta and Vanquish went to PC thanks to SEGA Europe, where's Yakuza? They can start with Kiwami.
Not all the japanese side games are on PC.
Sega seems to be a bizarre company of two halves.
One side progressive and forward thinking, the other stuck somewhere in the 90s with their head in the sand.
"Sorry Atlus japan are arshole who hate PC gaming, peace."
Honestly i don't know, on PC they are the only AAA publishers with a lot of RTS and the majority of Total War games were successful, even WarHammer II got a positive reception from critics, they have Amplitude Studio and Relic with Company of Heroes and Sunless Sea and Skies, oh and let's not forget about Football Manager, million seller for every entry in the series, all this thanks to SEGA Europe, they understand the market and they are investing in the PC platform, but SEGA Japan is doing its own shit, they have both Persona and Yakuza but they are not investing in the PC platform like Bamco, Capcom and Square Enix with no apparent reason. I mean, even NIER AUTOMATA, a niche game on consoles first, managed to sell 600.000 copies on Steam and SE is happy about it, Yakuza might do better if it comes to PC...
thehillissilent
Member
Atlus can't do much. P5 will still be playable
https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/72lo12/statement_atlus_usa_attempts_to_shut_down/
https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/72lo12/statement_atlus_usa_attempts_to_shut_down/
There was a precedent set that makes it so it's not within their right at all.
Sega EU is pc friendly btw, Japan really isn't.
CharlesSurge
Member
Playing Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse right now. Have Etrian Odyssey V and Strange Journey 3DS pre-ordered. Dunno what I expected, but their statement makes it all worse.
Number of titles: 37+.
This is how you destroy all company good will in one move.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
At least Pimpwerx is doing alright at Atlus USA
They like their restrictions, so they're feeling some adoptive parental feelings.
Can someone actually explain to me how emulation is legal? I've always heard it was but don't know the specifics. Reverse engineering a platform to make it and it's media playable on another platform sounds like serious infringement to me, but Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo can't do anything?
There were a pair of commercial emulators for the PS1, Bleem and Connectix Virtual Game Station, which were taken to court by Sony. Long story short, Sony lost both lawsuits on every count.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectix_Virtual_Game_Station
Remembrance
Member
To put it as simply as possible:
Copyright only forbids copying. If you write your own code that is compatible with running existing games but don't use anyone else's code, there is no copying.
The only thing that is illegal is piracy, which is what these emulators normally lead too. There isn't anything illegal about using a game you already own on a disk, and downloading the files to play on a PC.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Also hardware breaks. Rendering a library unplayable. So either buy a new system to run the games you already own, or emulate the system with superior performance.
Tough choice there.
Zomba13
Member
Plus it's much more convenient for me to have my PS1 and N64 and Mega Drive etc games all ripped and stored on my PC where I can emulate all of those systems then having to keep them all hooked up.
It's the same logic behind people buying things like the Retron and other multi classic system emulators. So they can play their old games easily on their modern TV and without needing 5 or more systems hooked up.
That part is piracy. What you should be saying it, it isn't illegal to rip the game you own to your PC.
Entirely depends on where you live.
Irony when they have a huge game series about summoning demons from one.
I might sound silly but there is a good chance they were/are planning on releasing P5 on PC as they have never done this before with any other emulated game.
The fact Sega owns them now and are PC friendly and this recent action maybe points in that direction?
Edit: Demon souls and Catherine are also published as well and they were not mentioned strangely.
The fact Sega owns them now and are PC friendly and this recent action maybe points in that direction?
Edit: Demon souls and Catherine are also published as well and they were not mentioned strangely.
Leafhopper
Banned
I mean there is 3DS emulators in the works too that run Atlus games as well. They are just very defensive about Persona, hell not even Persona, specifically 5.
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
Atlus didn't ask to remove the mentions of Persona 4 Arena and its sequel from the compatibility list either. Interesting. Why is it just Persona 5 instead of the Atlus PS3 catalogue in its entirety?
I don't want to get my hopes up for a PC port, though. Atlus are stupid, and their reasons probably are as well.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
This is why I love the open source community and why I hate something like Cemu which is completely open to corporate intimidation because only the Cemu team has the source.
You don't have to be in the right legally. You just need to send some scary letters around.
Surely it has nothing to do with the fact that PC gaming worldwide is larger than all the other platforms combined or the fact that niche games have found incredible success on the platform along with these games being available for sale until the end of time. Square Enix, Take Two and EA have profited immensely off the sale of games that released in the 2000s or earlier... Meanwhile console games require specific ports and even then have a limited "shelf life". This may change due to the x86-based consoles but this would be a recent development and even then, no graphical menus so these games are stuck at whatever technical state they were released in... Without mods too.
Publishers hate DRM. They use it so they're not screamed at by investors for not "protecting THEIR investments" at the next earnings call. DRM is not the reason why the PC platform is succeeding.
I believe that the Cemu team have mentioned previously that they would open source it if they could not work on it anymore.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
This Atlus behaviors seriously just pisses me off. Emulator bullshit, streaming bullshit, dumb DLC scheme for P5, substandard (to previous Atlus efforts) localization, extra milking of the Persona franchise (two freaking Dance games), Atlus tax on 3DS, all are contributing to me considering to stop buying their games new (used is still an option).
I am just tired of backwards and anti-fan behavior that does not even benefit their business (well I guess higher pricing does). In the same vein I love 2K basketball games for their gameplay and presentation but I am about done with VC bullshit. Meh.
I am just tired of backwards and anti-fan behavior that does not even benefit their business (well I guess higher pricing does). In the same vein I love 2K basketball games for their gameplay and presentation but I am about done with VC bullshit. Meh.
Jesus christ, that's even worse than I thought. Going directly after the patreon page and trying to get them to remove compatibility from the emulator itself? This is comical.
Yeah, I'm thinking it's fuck atlus time. Imma be passing on EOV
Reverse engineering stuff is, in most of the wold, including the US, legal. Any program build purely on RE, that doesn't contain any actual code or otherwise copyrightable material, cannot be infringing. The courts in the US have confirmed this for commercial emulators as well, clearly then it would hold for non-commercial emulators as well.
The only real tactic Atlus would have here would be to sue, knowing they would lose, but to force the developers to spend a lot of money on defending themselves. Sounds like the kind of pettiness they would go for, honestly.
To split hairs and be pedantic (which... for legal bullshit is usually a good idea actually) saying no version of the P5 game should be playable on this platform [PC] can be more "we didn't make a version for this platform, so it shouldn't be playable there UNLESS they're going through non-kosher means." And frankly the people who'd care the most in that way aren't going to be sending the notices, but the lawyers. It's still pretty shitty phrasing on their part and being this kind of control freak is doing no one any good (and continues to be deeply ironic for a game about going against unjust authority figures.)So y'all that said "Atlus totally doesn't hate PC", what now?
Shit, everything Atlus said just confirms the enormous shitheads they are. It's honestly ridiculous.
Fucking ridiculous. Atlus already got shit marks for their handling of P5 and streaming and now this nonsense.
I love the games, but all this extra bullshit is the kind that would have most dropped for me
BronsonLee
Member
Wow, Atlus USA is really bad at this
Leafhopper
Banned
Pretty sure anyone that is messing with an emulator knows what they are getting into with " framerate drops, or crashes, or other issues that can crop up in emulation that we have not personally overseen."
Also "Yeah we know want a Pc version but you can buy a PS4 today and play it."
Please.