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[cormack12]

Are you expecting all games to be installed locally from cartridges? Or hybrid with some running from carts still - and how will the loading latency be treated? Is the rumoured 256gb sufficient in this case?

 

[Magic Carpet]

Yes one upgradable NVME.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Hybrid.

I doubt the Switch will have features like DirectStorage and the like.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Yes, esp since I expect an Adorably All Digital model at some point.

I doubt the Switch will have features like DirectStorage and the like.

There's been rumors that the Switch 2 does have hardware asset decompression like PS5.

 

[VolticArchangel]

Yes, absolutely.

Nvidia will be having some kind of decompression block, via I/O for asset streaming, load times etc, which will require mandatory game installs onto your primary storage.

No cart or any physical media in existence currently has read speeds in GB/s.

All we know for now is that 256 GB SSD that comes with the console will be filled up within the first week for most Switch 2 players.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Yes, absolutely.

Nvidia will be having some kind of decompression block, via I/O for asset streaming, load times etc, which will require mandatory game installs onto your primary storage.

No cart or any physical media in existence currently has read speeds in GB/s.

All we know for now is that 256 GB SSD that comes with the console will be filled up within the first week for most Switch 2 players.

At least Nintendo allows 3rd party memory like a decent company would do.

Yes I'm looking at you Microsoft and your many decisions that lost you the game.

 

[rabbity-thing]

I'm hoping for whatever helps the loading times.

 

[RodriGames40]

No need, it's supposed to use the SDExpress interface which should be fast enough for even the Nanite developer requirements given back in 2020.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Yes, absolutely.

Nvidia will be having some kind of decompression block, via I/O for asset streaming, load times etc, which will require mandatory game installs onto your primary storage.

No cart or any physical media in existence currently has read speeds in GB/s.

All we know for now is that 256 GB SSD that comes with the console will be filled up within the first week for most Switch 2 players.

A cartridge is not that far off from a MicroSD.

I doubt they don’t allow the use of MicroSD cards.

 

[Rob_27]

Unless they use some kind of high speed card for switch 2 all will need to be internal to be work like xbox and PS counterparts I would have thought.

I hope the older Switch 1 games will somehow use the extra power even if not patched.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Unless they use some kind of high speed card for switch 2 all will need to be internal to be work like xbox and PS counterparts I would have thought.

I hope the older Switch 1 games will somehow use the extra power even if not patched.

I agree, that’s why I don’t think it will be mandatory and that they’ll have such features.

I may be wrong but this is Nintendo we’re talking about.

 

[IAmRei]

One thing I know from 1st party Nintendo, their size is kind of low, maybe will be twice in the 2
All Nintendo games I know is kind of relatively small, kind of magic in these days.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

The rumor mill suggests that the Switch 2 carts will be based on Samsung SD Express technology, which is capable of 700-800 MB/s. That should be more than sufficient to run most games from the cartridge without needing to install them on the internal storage.

The main issue is the cart size and cost, as 3rd party publishers will likely not want to spend a lot on the higher capacity and more expensive game cards, potentially requiring you to do mandatory downloads from Nintendo servers, similar to what they are doing now with Switch games that are big in size.

 

[kevboard]

nope. no need.

the most limiting factors about loading times in games in the past were CPU speed and seek times.
the Switch 2 uses cartridges, which eliminates seek times. and the Switch 2 will have a decent CPU.

there's a reason that in most games on the Steam Deck for example, loading times from the internal SSD and load times from the SD card slot are only marginally different (if you use a decent SD card). are there outliers that need super fast storage speeds and no seek times at the same time? sure, but why make the system more complicated to use for outlier titles like that?

 

[Robb]

I'm hoping for whatever helps the loading times.

This is my stance as well.

 

[cireza]

I certainly hope not. No install, run from the cartridge. And this is what Nintendo will want anyway, as it will make the console cheaper to manufacture.

 

[LordCBH]

No. They’ll just run off the carts again. Which is fine.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Yes one upgradable NVME.

I think we should expect UFS 3.1, which is 2900 MB/s. We can pray for UFS 4.0 which is 5800 MB/s, but that is a 2022 standard; probably too expensive for Nintendo. UFS is NAND flash like NVMe, just without that specific interface.

 

[StereoVsn]

I think Nintendo will allow publishers/developers to determine that. No reason that indie games and such couldn’t run off the cart.

So i can see install being mandatory for some games and optional for others.

 

[Ulysses 31]

 

[reinking]

I believe if they expected all games to be installed, even stingy Nintendo would up the internal storage to at least 512GB. I can't imagine them being that greedy. Right?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

If Nintendo is using UFS and SD Express as rumored then the Switch 2 carts will be fast enough to load directly off the cart

This is what I expect for physical Switch 2 games, there's no reason to install from cart to SD card

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Switch 2 CAN NOT release without a 1TB drive. But hey its Nintendo, you prob gonna get 256GB at best.

 

[MayauMiao]

I expect physical game to be remain physical for Switch 2.

Why even go through the hassle of transferring games out of the physical media to internal storage? Is there a limit to the physical media of the Switch?

 

[poppabk]

If Nintendo is using UFS and SD Express as rumored then the Switch 2 carts will be fast enough to load directly off the cart

This is what I expect for physical Switch 2 games, there's no reason to install from cart to SD card

I would expect the games to still be able to run directly off the cart. I also expect that carts to be smaller and even easier for kids to lose.

 

[CS Lurker]

I believe devs will be able to choose if an install is required. If the cartridge hits 300MB/s, I can see many games not needing more than that.

 

[Robb]

Switch 2 CAN NOT release without a 1TB drive. But hey its Nintendo, you prob gonna get 256GB at best.

1TB isn’t even within the realm of possibilities for this thing.

PS4 launched in 2013 with 500GB, and by 2017 both Sony and MS had pretty much standardized 1TB in their systems. Yet Nintendo launched the Switch in 2017 with 32GB…

 

[Davevil]

no, they will go back to mini discs

 

[nordique]

I hope not

But let’s say cyberpunk or call of duty comes out for it, I imagine it will be part of it. Unless the carts have some crazy speed that make up for it

 

[Panajev2001a]

The rumor mill suggests that the Switch 2 carts will be based on Samsung SD Express technology, which is capable of 700-800 MB/s. That should be more than sufficient to run most games from the cartridge without needing to install them on the internal storage.

That would be terrible if Switch 2 were expected to get all big AAA titles day 1, same day as PC and XSX|S / PS5. These titles would be held back by the lowest common denominator (0.8 GB/s vs 5.5 GB/s and it is not like Switch 2 will pack like 32 GB of RAM to make up for it either)… and lots of modern engines still have to fully exploit SSD I/O capabilities too…

 

[deriks]

A cartridge is not that far off from a MicroSD.

I doubt they don’t allow the use of MicroSD cards.

The new cartridge probably will be faster than today's. Chances are that will be native 1440p or more, so more space, more speed required

Not sure how great a SD needs to be in comparison

 

[V1LÆM]

I won’t be buying any physical games. Sold all my Switch cartridges and will be buying digital. I’m done with physical games.