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DarienA

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There's a Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. These times must be really interesting for Steve Ballmer.

Microsoft's (Quote, Chart) CEO allegedly said he'd crush Google (Quote, Chart), his company's rival in search, and the lucrative ad business it engenders. On Tuesday, Google may strike back at Redmond's heart: Microsoft Office.

Google and Sun Microsystems (Quote, Chart) will hold a press conference on Tuesday at which they're expected to announce a collaboration to bring StarOffice productivity applications to Google users.

StarOffice is Sun's suite of integrated word processing, spreadsheet, presentation, drawing and database software based on the OpenOffice open source project.

StarOffice or OpenOffice users can add their own browsers and e-mail applications, while Sun offers Sun Java Communications Suite for customers that want to add messaging, collaboration, calendaring and scheduling tools.

Google's dip into OpenOffice began with its hiring of Joerg Heilig, former director of software engineering at Sun, according to Gary Edwards, a consultant and designated representative of the OpenOffice.org open source community.

"He was the project manager for StarOffice, a longtime employee of the Star division, and a very important person to StarOffice," Edwards said. "When he left, there were some real tears. Also a great deal of apprehension."

Community scuttlebutt was that Google was on a hunt for OpenOffice and StarOffice developers, and everyone in the company's Hamburg division was a target, according to Edwards. "No one knows what Google was going to do with Joerg, but they had the keys to the kingdom when they got him," Edwards said.

It has long been rumored that Google is developing its own operating system or desktop, with an online calendaring application scheduled to be released in October.

The partnership with Sun seems to indicate that Google's direction is to build out what is, in essence, an alternative to Microsoft Office. Google already offers e-mail, photo managing and instant messaging applications.

Vendors of hosted business productivity tools didn't seem concerned about a threat from Google. Satish Dharmaraj, CEO of Zimbra, which last week delivered a beta version of an open source browser-based system for e-mail, calendar and contacts, said that Google's entry would validate Zimbra Collaboration Suite's strategy.

Via e-mail, Marc Benioff, CEO of hosted applications provider Salesforce.com (Quote, Chart) said simply, "Google is a consumer services company."

But the ramifications go far beyond free, online apps for consumers, Edwards said, because StarOffice is far more than just an alternative to Microsoft Office. StarOffice -- or OpenOffice -- is based on standard XML, so it can act as the transformation layer between any application that can read the XML file format and legacy applications.

"If Google comes along and … provides some basic AJAX-based editing, and allows people to do this editing in XHTML and OpenDocument, you have a clear line of capability that goes from simple HTML to a little bit more complicated but data-centric XHTML to a truly bridging XML technology, OpenDocument," Edwards said.

OpenDocument is an OASIS standard for a single XML-based file format for text, spreadsheets, charts and graphical documents. It was ratified in May.

Google already offers Gmail users plenty of storage for their e-mail archives. If it extended that storage to other kinds of documents that were generated in conformance with the OpenDocument standard, and then combined that with a Web-based productivity suite to connect users to their stored information via any browser, the result would be a platform that could transform business collaboration as well as consumer communications.

"Imagine StarOffice running on the desktop, and Google perfecting the [file synchronization]," said Edwards. "Then you have your collaboration space carved out immediately for you, and Google is hosting it."



Still a rumor.. but hmmmmm.

I for one continue to welcome our Google Overlords!
 
Sounds like it could be a security nightmare for Google.. but I'm all for it if they figure that aspect out.
 
God's Hand said:
If Google offers a free office application, that would be bad news for Microsoft.
Google revolution is going to piss A LOT of companies off. With this and free wifi broadband for everyone.. man. :lol
 
Go Google. Do it.
I have absolutely no problems with MS Office, but it'd be fun to see things shake up a bit...

ps: OpenOffice is already free...
...but Google's involvement would certainly boost it.
 
eWeek:
Sun, Google Form Alliance
By Peter Galli and Ben Charny
October 3, 2005

Updated: Speculation is rife regarding the new relationship to be unveiled between the computer and search companies.

Speculation is mounting ahead of Tuesday's upcoming announcement of a new relationship between Sun Microsystems and Google, but the most attention is going to the possibility of a software-related deal.

Some commentators approached by eWEEK said they would not be surprised if the search giant formalizes its plan to take aim at Microsoft Corp. and announces that it has agreed to distribute a version of Sun Microsystems Inc.'s StarOffice desktop productivity software.

Others have speculated that Google Inc. might announce a desktop productivity offering of its own, "Google Office," based on StarOffice or the open-source OpenOffice.org version.

Others are touting the possibility of a Google operating system that will be based on OpenSolaris or the Sun Java Desktop System.


The focus on some sort of a software offering is partly based on the fact that, for months now, rumors have swirled around the release of a possible desktop operating system from Google as it moves to build a comprehensive platform by turning computing into a utility.

There has also been talk that Google is looking to offer some sort of a Web-based office productivity suite to compete with Microsoft Office.

Adding fuel to the software speculation is that fact that a source close to Sun told eWEEK that John Loiacono, the executive vice president for software at the Santa Clara, Calif., company, as well as Curtis Sasaki, Sun's vice president of engineering for Desktop Software Solutions, responsible for managing the development of Sun's core desktop software, will both also attend Tuesday's event and will be on hand to answer questions.

But others say the news could also include a hardware and services component. Some suggest that Google could be buying Sun's recently launched Galaxy servers, based on AMD's Opteron processor, designed to help Sun build a stronger presence in the x86 space.

Other speculation is that Google will use Sun servers as the backbone for the Google wireless offering, known as Google Wi-Fi.


"I suspect the announcement is to do with broadband and Wi-Fi networks. That totally plays into what they've been trying to do with enabling participation infrastructure," one commentator told eWEEK.

Editor's Note: This story was updated to include comments from analysts.

Might be boring hardware news. Might be breakthrough software news. =)
 
Im getting uneasy about google now, at least with microsoft you know where you stand (with their fist directly up your ass) what's googles angle....
 
I've used OpenOffice a few times... it was a very strong product, office file compatibility, already has the ability to save directly to pdf... can save in the flash(.swf) format..
 
Ghost said:
Im getting uneasy about google now, at least with microsoft you know where you stand (with their fist directly up your ass) what's googles angle....
yeah, they're getting scary.
 
Another bug for M$ to squash. When will people learn. Nice knowing you Google. Always love your search engine.
 
MS office is probably the thing I like best about MS. The way all of the apps work together and such, and w/ VBA, I think MS office will be a tough one to beat. Especially when actual offices depnd on it's useage.

I doubt it will happen. I doubt a free online app can compare to what I can do with MS excel for instance.

We'll see.
 
1. MS's best product is Visual Studio. Any other answer is wrong.
2. I like what Google's doing, though I share a slight amount of caution.
3. MS won't go down easily. But if anybody can do it, it's Google.
 
As a consumer, this is good news.

However, the only thing that bothers me with this is the inevitable outcome of the employees who works at Microsoft. I'm not talking about Gates, i'm talking about the actual MS Office programmers. Microsoft will need to cut corners and reduce costs to compete if Google Office is successful. In order to do that, they'll most likely begin to outsource to India or China.

I'm completely against outsourcing software development. People spend a good portion of their lives studying and majoring in universities to get developer jobs and then they send their jobs to India and exploit the people there. I've seen many people lose their jobs over this and it sickens me.

If Microsoft is already outsourcing, then to hell with them.
 
Well then... I give google about 5 more years. You can only fuck with the bull so much before you get the horns.
 
I think it's hilarious how people here paint MS is unassailable... I guess in their day IBM supporters thought the same thing... MS just reorganized to respond to threats presented by company's like Google, not the other way around...
 
Fact of the matter is GOOGLE HASNT DONE ANYTHING EXCEPT SEARCH. Everything else they have done is.. Eh... so what? When are they going to deliver on something?
 
dem said:
Fact of the matter is GOOGLE HASNT DONE ANYTHING EXCEPT SEARCH. Everything else they have done is.. Eh... so what? When are they going to deliver on something?

....you're kidding right? This is a joke post right? Oh dem <slaps knee> you so silly!
 
Can you give me a list? Anything? Gmail with its crappyass interface and never ending beta(like everything else googlemade)?
 
The only other thing besides Google search that I use is Gmail (and I haven't actually used it for a couple of months now).

Personally, I wish they'd just stick to what their good at. They saw how people jumped on their search engine bandwagon. They need to stay on that path and do more with that (like that digital library thing)...and not go in a totally different direction.
 
dem said:
Can you give me a list? Anything? Gmail with its crappyass interface and never ending beta(like everything else googlemade)?
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MIMIC said:
Personally, I wish they'd just stick to what their good at. They saw how people jumped on their search engine bandwagon. They need to stay on that path and do more with that (like that digital library thing)...and not go in a totally different direction.

why do they need to do that, thats like saying bill gates should have stuck with dos.
 
dem said:
Can you give me a list? Anything? Gmail with its crappyass interface and never ending beta(like everything else googlemade)?

G-mail
Google Maps
Google Toolbar
Google Video
Google Desktop

not to mention their retail products of Google search engine racks for large databases.
 
DarienA said:
I think it's hilarious how people here paint MS is unassailable... I guess in their day IBM supporters thought the same thing... MS just reorganized to respond to threats presented by company's like Google, not the other way around...


1) IBM had name outside computer, but didn't own rights to important part of hardware, ie CPU = Intel. This allow others to build PC clones.

2) Never had user friendly OS that everyone accepts.


These two combine made IBM unneeded overtime. With Windows monopoly, M$ has reign almost impossible to defeat. Making an OS is extremely hard. It has to be perform well, be stable, has tons drivers, and be able to run old / new applications. Linux does not come close to all this. Thus, making another version of Linux won't help. Cloning Windows won't do it either because it probably be illegal or perform much slower. Google is making a big mistake by going head to head with M$.
 
dem said:
Can you give me a list? Anything? Gmail with its crappyass interface and never ending beta(like everything else googlemade)?

Dem you can either go to googles site or simply go to a search engine and type in the world google to see what other types of services they offer...

Simply put a list here would bring the followup post where you go... this sucks.. I don't need this... this sucks... what's this... etc....

I'd rather not play that game today.

myzhi said:
1) IBM had name outside computer, but didn't own rights to important part of hardware, ie CPU = Intel. This allow others to build PC clones.

2) Never had user friendly OS that everyone accepts.


These two combine made IBM unneeded overtime. With Windows monopoly, M$ has almost impossible reign to defeat. Making an OS is extremely hard. It has to be perform, be stable, has tons drivers, and be able to run old applications. Linux does not come close to this. Google is making a big mistake by going head to head with M$.

Wow you took this in the wrong direction... I was going in the direction of showing that an industry leader can be toppled. IBM iron was the thing that drove the computing world for years... you couldn't go in to an office that didn't have an IBM server... IBM systems were everywhere... and... now they aren't.

No company is unstoppable forever, and with the continuing push towards lower priced PC's and broadband service prices dropping(even Verizon's crappy 768 services is better than dialup), the idea of being able to run apps over broadband becomes more and more a possibility.

Is it going to happen tomorrow? Of course not, hell it may not even happen in some of our lifetimes.

But if MS thought like you then they wouldn't be making the various corporates changes they are making in an attempt to adjust to way PC's and the web interact with each other.
 
catfish said:
why do they need to do that, thats like saying bill gates should have stuck with dos.

I don't mean that literally; that "they should just stick with search engines."

Things like Google Maps, Google Video...those types of things. Innovation is what they're good at.
 
myzhi said:
1) IBM had name outside computer, but didn't own rights to important part of hardware, ie CPU = Intel. This allow others to build PC clones.

2) Never had user friendly OS that everyone accepts.


These two combine made IBM unneeded overtime. With Windows monopoly, M$ has reign almost impossible to defeat. Making an OS is extremely hard. It has to be perform well, be stable, has tons drivers, and be able to run old / new applications. Linux does not come close to all this. Thus, making another version of Linux won't help. Cloning Windows won't do it either. Google is making a big mistake by going head to head with M$.

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pxleyes said:
G-mail
Google Maps
Google Toolbar
Google Video
Google Desktop

not to mention their retail products of Google search engine racks for large databases.

Thank you for proving my point.

THIS is whats going to topple MS? Google maps... which MS has already done better? Desktop search... which MS answered in like a week... and will be made completely irrelevent with winfs? Where is all this innovation i keep hearing about? The google bubble is going to burst.. loudly.
 
wait, did someone just rag on gmail? It's far and away the best free email there is. name a better one.
 
dem said:
Thank you for proving my point.

THIS is whats going to topple MS? Google maps... which MS has already done better? Desktop search... which MS answered in like a week... and will be made completely irrelevent with winfs? Where is all this innovation i keep hearing about? The google bubble is going to burst.. loudly.


DarienA said:
Dem you can either go to googles site or simply go to a search engine and type in the world google to see what other types of services they offer...

Simply put a list here would bring the followup post where you go... this sucks.. I don't need this... this sucks... what's this... etc....

I'd rather not play that game today.


That wasn't a complete list but thanks for proving MY point dem.
 
DarienA said:
Wow you took this in the wrong direction... I was going in the direction of showing that an industry leader can be toppled. IBM iron was the thing that drove the computing world for years... you couldn't go in to an office that didn't have an IBM server... IBM systems were everywhere... and... now they aren't.

No company is unstoppable forever, and with the continuing push towards lower priced PC's and broadband service prices dropping(even Verizon's crappy 768 services is better than dialup), the idea of being able to run apps over broadband becomes more and more a possibility.

Is it going to happen tomorrow? Of course not, hell it may not even happen in some of our lifetimes.

But if MS thought like you then they wouldn't be making the various corporates changes they are making in an attempt to adjust to way PC's and the web interact with each other.


I just explain why IBM got toppled and why M$ is in different situation. IBM "controls" in name, but with others supplying for them. Overtime, the suppliers got rid of the middle man (IBM). M$ supplies themself. Thus, can't really use this example. So, no. I wasn't going wrong direction.
 
catfish said:
wait, did someone just rag on gmail? It's far and away the best free email there is. name a better one.
Not only that, but he said that MS's map service is better than Google Maps. Man, if other people think like this, no wonder consumers get screwed; they don't know what's good for them.
 
myzhi said:
I just explain why IBM got toppled and why M$ is in different situation. Thus, can't really use this example. So, no. I wasn't going wrong direction.

I'm saying that MS has vulnerabilities... it's biggest one is that as a large company they are unable to adjust to changing shifts in the industry as quickly as a smaller company.

The current push is toward light smaller efficient apps that can be administered over a broadband connection, something that wasn't really possibly back when this first idea came up because broadband penetration was quite honestly... crap.
 
DarienA said:
I'm saying that MS has vulnerabilities... it's biggest one is that as a large company they are unable to adjust to changing shifts in the industry as quickly as a smaller company.

The current push is toward light smaller efficient apps that can be administered over a broadband connection, something that wasn't really possibly back when this first idea came up because broadband penetration was quite honestly... crap.


Wow. Thanx for obvious. All companies have vulnerabilities. Just that M$ have way less then others. And, Google is smaller then M$, but I would hardly call them a small company.


As long as people see "Starting Windows" first, everything else is secondary. With that kind of leverage, M$ always has big saying where industry goes. Google obviously knows this. Thus, reason why they want to make an OS, but like I said earlier, it's almost impossible to make one equal or better then Windows. Only way to beat M$ is to beat "Windows." Don't see that happening anytime soon, if ever.
 
myzhi said:
Wow. Thanx for obvious. All companies have vulnerabilities. Just that M$ have way less then others. And, Google is smaller then M$, but I would hardly call them a small company.


As long as people see "Starting Windows" first, everything else is secondary. With that kind of leverage, M$ always has big saying where industry goes. Google obviously knows this. Thus, reason why they want to make an OS, but like I said earlier, it's almost impossible to make one equal or better then Windows. Only way to beat M$ is to beat "Windows." Don't see that happening anytime soon, if ever.

You highly underestimate the capabilities of good software enginners. Making an OS that beats MS's is impossible? Fat chance.
 
jman2050 said:
You highly underestimate the capabilities of good software enginners. Making an OS that beats MS's is impossible? Fat chance.


Said "almost" impossible. Maybe, you should think about what's need. Few random things: has to be stable, good performance, be secure, get companies to make billions of drivers, run millions of old and new applications, and etc. If it was easy, we would have tons of OS out there and M$ would be dead. We don't for good reason.
 
Well...Isn't most of M$ money from Office made from enterprise or corporate buyers? I can't see too many companies using anything other than M$ Office. For the consumer who is using horrid MS Works at home, this could be a good thing.
 
I love Office, but what has MS added to Office in the last 5 years that has been useful? I upgraded from Office 2000 to XP and Word was the same as ever.

If Google makes a comparable product (which they always seem to do) and make it free, that is going to really hurt MS. Office is their biggest cash cow these days.
 
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