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ARGO aka the dramatization movie and why true story movies are inferior

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There's a point at which a movie purporting to be based on real events has now set my expectations for what is plausible and ruins itself when it goes beyond that real life plausibility. Doesn't have to be perfectly accurate, but believability matters.

This movie honestly seemed stylistically basic to me and very committee studio from early on, but I said that's fine and plowed onward. But then it starts to get super fucking unbelievable. Like never has a historic movie that I don't even know the historic facts about actually made me feel sure that I've spotted things they must have changed. I don't see how a director could have done much wrong since the movie was clearly script driven so I don't get it being best picture that year and being heralded as Ben Affleck proving his worth, and the script was blatantly packed with drama to the point where it blew it and became obviously false.

They are living with a guy who takes like no initiative and isn't active but rather is getting all the direction he needs to host his guests from the Americans? Oh ok they credit him at the very end with actually having been a good ass spy (and apparently this post script was added because Affleck was getting called out at test screening for how badly he left out the credit due to the guy housing the Americans).

To give authenticity to the fake movie, the Americans have to go out into the wild and dangerous streets! They get terrifying glares and could get caught, but it must be done or this will fail! Hope they don't get spotted and called out oh no - but no. They actually did not wander the streets of Tehran in real life to make their movie seem real as they feared for their lives. They lived with the Canadians the whole time and didn't engage in such dramatic suspense. Let me roll my eyes. Is anyone stupid enough for the script to have gotten away with that? Please tell me you didn't think they'd do something that stupid in real life GAF.

They go to the airport and *gasp* their escape plan is being foiled as the Americans struggle over whether they give them tickets. Heart pounding stares as they hope their tickets go through. This seemed like unprepared melodrama writing and of course, it was. Turns out the Canadians who Baffleck minimized for the patriotism sake bought tickets in advance and there was no drama there. THEN, uh oh, the security is acting suspicious, have they been caught? Now the guards are gonna call their studio to check if they're really filmmakers and the Americans gotta speak their language to try and weasel out of the suspicions oh no! *Phew* that works out too, of course. Oh, turns out they didn't get stopped or checked unusually at all in real life. Again, making some unbelievable drama.

They get through security but as they prepare to depart - SOMEBODY FIGURES OUT THEY JUST SAW AN AMERICAN when they pices shredded papers together. The superiors go on alert and armed guards drive a fucking Jeep down the runway trying to stop the escape! Believe it! Thank goodness they made it out! Oh wait, there was no drama there in real life either. They took off like any normal flight. But the audience wouldn't think that through right? Of course a Jeep would chase a passenger plane down the runway, right?

Yeah sorry, but I've discovered in the past year that I don't like biopics and historical adaptations much these days. They are boring as fuck because real life isn't as cool as scripts, and when the movie does become cool? It's because they do shit in a dramatic or feel good way that I know isn't real and end up finding out I'm right. Clint Eastwood knocked my whole family out a few times with his biopics. Lincoln was hefty on that theatrical feels and boredom rollercoaster. Sure, The Social Network was fun, but that's because we were told in the promotion before the movie that there's plenty we don't know about how things were socially for Mark Zuckerberg so the story is really a gripping modern social tale and less a biopic. Trust me, I can take slow. Mad Men is genius and There Will Be Blood gets me contemplating like nobody's business. But biopics just feel like fishing for your stupidity and emotions as the Oscars come through town.
 

HStallion

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This is the majority of historical movies and the longer the time between the movie and the events that happened the more fantastical and overtly outlandish things tend to get.
 
My memory of this is a bit fuzzy, but is this the movie where, during the end credits they show the side-by-side pictures of the actors in the roles with the real people they were playing? And the casting looks like just about everyone is similar with the exception of Ben Affleck who looks fucking nothing like his character's real life image?
 
At some point you just have to accept that it's just that, a dramatizaton, which means it's going to have afair amount of fictional elements and enjoy the films for their strenghts.

I, for one, really enjoyed Argo and thought it was very suspenseful and well directed.
 
Yeah sorry, but I've discovered in the past year that I don't like biopics and historical adaptations much these days. They are boring as fuck because real life isn't as cool as scripts, and when the movie does become cool?
You should read more history then. Often they have to make stuff less dramatic in movies because real life events and how things played out is so crazy that it would seem ridiculous on-screen. I learned a long time ago that movies and fiction can't compare to how crazy and insane real life can be

Like in Hacksaw Ridge, they left out some of Doss' feats because they felt moviegoers would find those details too unbelievable

Or how fucked up the story behind Pain & Gain was. Here was the original article that inspired the movie (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3)
 

smokeymicpot

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My memory of this is a bit fuzzy, but is this the movie where, during the end credits they show the side-by-side pictures of the actors in the roles with the real people they were playing? And the casting looks like just about everyone is similar with the exception of Ben Affleck who looks fucking nothing like his character's real life image?

Yes. They both have a beard if that counts.
 

LakeEarth

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As a Canadian, fuck this movie. Trying to rewrite this historical event as a "hurray USA!" thing even though they didn't do jack shit.
 

kavanf1

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The vagueness of "based on true events" covers it nicely. That tagline could be added to any film in the world and be accurate.
 

Toxi

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The climax of Argo is so fucking stupid. It completely falls apart the moment you realize the Iranian security could have just called air traffic control.

The movie in general is a miserable piece of misplaced patriotism and Hollywood masturbation with no interesting characters or ideas.
 
God ARGO was so ridiculously overrated when it came out. I still remember people fawning over it.

And yeah, a ridiculous amount of that film has been fictionalised. To an offensive degree.
 
Reading about history, you tend to come across all kinds of interesting little side stories and intrigues related to whatever the subject might be. Those and the ability to kind of understand the inherent complexity in any given historical situation make reading history a lot more interesting than seeing a story squeezed into a form that will work onscreen.
 
Yeah in retrospect Argo completely falls apart.

But I agree that a lot of history is actually crazier than real life. A Lawrence of Arabia movie that covered his entire work would be completely unbelievable with how many coincidences had to happen to put him in that situation.
 

jtb

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Historical adaptations are basically historical fiction anyways, so this seems like a distinction without a difference.
 
Reading about history, you tend to come across all kinds of interesting little side stories and intrigues related to whatever the subject might be. Those and the ability to kind of understand the inherent complexity in any given historical situation make reading history a lot more interesting than seeing a story squeezed into a form that will work onscreen.
That's the thing about life versus fiction. A movie or book has to fit a structure, have a beginning, middle, end, have a protagonist and a defined conflict for the audience to follow, and so on

Reality and history isn't confined to that. It isn't a narrative, it's an web of endlessly compounding fractals of events where everything that happened before affects everything that comes after in an amorphous ever-growing foundation of cause and effect.
 
That's the thing about life versus fiction. A movie or book has to fit a structure, have a beginning, middle, end, have a protagonist and a defined conflict for the audience to follow, and so on

Reality and history isn't confined to that. It isn't a narrative, it's an web of endlessly compounding fractals of events where everything that happened before affects everything that comes after in an amorphous ever-growing foundation of cause and effect.

Right. Life many times is a series of coincidences that would not work very well in a contained movie.
 
That's the thing about life versus fiction. A movie or book has to fit a structure, have a beginning, middle, end, have a protagonist and a defined conflict for the audience to follow, and so on

Reality and history isn't confined to that. It isn't a narrative, it's an web of endlessly compounding fractals of events where everything that happened before affects everything that comes after in an amorphous ever-growing foundation of cause and effect.
Except that in the case of Argo, when you look at what was and wasn't changed, it makes no goddamn sense. Also, when you begin to change things to make things more fantastic, you lose any grounded attachment a viewer might've had in the story.

You can have a thriller without fantastic, over-the-top stakes be just as thrilling if the director and writer have done their work. Argo's tendency to create tension through ridiculous means (oh now I need to tie my shoe while the telephone rings!) was so hamfisted it was embarrassing.
 

darscot

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Would not have been much of movie, if they just went all you need is a Canadian passport and your ass is covered even though it was the truth. The glory of the Canadian identity and passport is still super powerful and makes awesome things happen to you.
 

CazTGG

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As a Canadian, fuck this movie. Trying to rewrite this historical event as a "hurray USA!" thing even though they didn't do jack shit.

Much as I feel Argo is an enjoyable watch in of itself, I have to agree that its bending of historical rubs me the wrong way, both as a Canadian and lover of history. It's not as appalling as, say, The Patriot in terms of being historically offensive but it's pretty close.
 

Jeremy

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Still absolutely rocks my mind it won an Oscar for BEST. PICTURE.

Best picture

"Amour" Margaret Menegoz, Stefan Arndt, Veit Heiduschka and Michael Katz, Producers
WINNER "Argo" Grant Heslov, Ben Affleck and George Clooney, Producers
"Beasts of the Southern Wild" Dan Janvey, Josh Penn and Michael Gottwald, Producers
"Django Unchained" Stacey Sher, Reginald Hudlin and Pilar Savone, Producers
"Les Misérables" Tim Bevan, Eric Fellner, Debra Hayward and Cameron Mackintosh, Producers
"Life of Pi" Gil Netter, Ang Lee and David Womark, Producers
"Lincoln" Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy, Producers
"Silver Linings Playbook" Donna Gigliotti, Bruce Cohen and Jonathan Gordon, Producers
"Zero Dark Thirty" Mark Boal, Kathryn Bigelow and Megan Ellison, Producers

Admittedly? Not much to choose from in retrospect but damn, ARGO?! I personally enjoyed Zero Dark Thirty more and I was mad at myself for watching it
 
As a Canadian, fuck this movie. Trying to rewrite this historical event as a "hurray USA!" thing even though they didn't do jack shit.

Even the bit at the start where the guy says that they were turned down by a couple of embassies is completely false, they were shuttled around a few embassies until it was decided that they'd be safest with the Canadians.

I don't mind dramatic licence, but Argo takes the piss.
 
I know you bring up Argo, but to me the worst "Based on a True Story" is The Perfect Storm. I was pissed they used that phrase for that movie.
 

fallengorn

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Yeah, it was pretty obvious the ending was added dramatization. I can be pretty obtuse about these things, and it was plain as day.
 

Madness

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Well I mean John Wayne Gacy wasn't from a murderous cannibal family running around with a chainsaw in Texas killing motorists etc. These movies need the dramatization otherwise no one will sit around watching a movie of some scared americans sitting in a canadian embassy until they are airlifted to safety. Why get upset about something that has been around for decades. Almost every 'based on true events', 'based on historical events', 'based on a true story', 'inspired by a true story' usually adds things to evoke feelings and emotions in moviegoers. Hell look at Titanic.
 

TheRed

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Yeah I really don't like these type of movies anymore, moreso the ones based on really recent events. Like I refused to go see Patriots Day, it just felt tasteless.

I was really disappointed in Argo too, based on how much praise it got I was surprised at how bad I thought it was multiple times while watching and I'm no film connoiseur, I can usually look past faults but this one just didn't have enough positives to me at all.
 

riotous

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The general praise of Affleck as a director baffles me; I thought The Town took a potentially interesting setting and made it dreadfully boring.
 
Argo was a bad movie that needlessly invented drama when a better director could have made the real life events dramatic enough.

Argo fuck that movie and argo fuck the academy for snubbing Django Unchained
 
Still absolutely rocks my mind it won an Oscar for BEST. PICTURE.



Admittedly? Not much to choose from in retrospect but damn, ARGO?! I personally enjoyed Zero Dark Thirty more and I was mad at myself for watching it
They already gave a Oscar to Bigelow just a few years before and that was for a much better film than ZDT.

The only movie on that list I like less than Argo is Zero Dark Thirty.
 
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