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AT&T looking to eliminiate Class Action suits

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Vestal

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f AT&T has its way before the Supreme Court, any business that issues a contract to customers would be able to prevent them from joining class-action lawsuits, taking away arguably the most powerful legal tool available to the little guy.

It hasn't gotten a lot of press, but a case involving AT&T that goes before the U.S. Supreme Court next week has sweeping ramifications for potentially millions of consumers.

If a majority of the nine justices vote the telecom giant's way, any business that issues a contract to customers — such as for credit cards, cellphones or cable TV — would be able to prevent them from joining class-action lawsuits.

This would take away in such cases arguably the most powerful legal tool available to the little guy, particularly in cases involving relatively small amounts of money. Class-action suits allow plaintiffs to band together in seeking compensation or redress, thus giving substantially more heft to their claims.

The ability to ban class actions would potentially also apply to employment agreements such as union contracts.

Consumer advocates say that without the threat of class-action lawsuits, many businesses would be free to engage in unfair or deceptive practices. Few people would litigate on their own to resolve a case involving, say, a hundred bucks.

"The marketplace is fairer for consumers and workers because there's a deterrent out there," said Deepak Gupta, an attorney for the advocacy group Public Citizen who will argue on consumers' behalf before the Supreme Court on Tuesday.

"Companies are afraid of class actions," he said. "This helps keep them honest."

The case is AT&T Mobility vs. Concepcion. The basic question before the court is whether companies can bar class actions in the fine print of their take-it-or-leave-it contracts with customers and employees.

High courts in California and elsewhere have ruled that class-action bans are unconscionable and contrary to public policy.

At issue at next week's court hearing is whether the Federal Arbitration Act of 1925 preempts state courts from striking down class-action bans. The federal law requires both sides in a dispute to take their grievance to an arbitrator, rather than a court, if both sides have agreed in advance to do so.

Vincent and Liza Concepcion sued AT&T in 2006 after signing up for wireless service that they'd been told included free cellphones. The Concepcions alleged that they and other Californians had been defrauded by the company because the phones actually came with various charges.

AT&T asked the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California to dismiss the case because its contract forbade class actions. The court declined, ruling that a class-action ban violates state law and is not preempted by the federal law.

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the lower-court ruling last year. AT&T subsequently petitioned the Supreme Court to hear the case.

William B. Gould IV, a professor emeritus at Stanford Law School and former chairman of the National Labor Relations Board under President Clinton, said the high court was clearly interested in extending the reach of the Federal Arbitration Act.

"This is a very important issue," he said. "And this Supreme Court has indicated a measure of hostility toward class actions."

Matthew Kaufman, a Los Angeles attorney who focuses on arbitration law, agreed with that perspective.

"This is a very conservative court that's pro-business, and class actions are not good for business," he said.

Marty Richter, an AT&T spokesman, said the company's arbitration agreement "includes fair, easy-to-use provisions" that reflect "an innovative and highly consumer-friendly dispute resolution process."

He noted that AT&T's arbitration clause allows for at least $5,000 in compensation and double attorneys' fees if the arbitrator awards the consumer more than AT&T offered to settle a dispute. "And we pay the entire cost of the arbitration, except the filing fee if a customer is claiming $75,000 or more," Richter said.

Be that as it may, why is the company so intent on denying customers the choice of joining a class action? Shouldn't consumers be allowed to decide what avenue to pursue in resolving a grievance?

"AT&T can offer the benefits of its consumer-friendly arbitration system only if the company is able to avoid the burdensome costs of lawyer-driven class actions, in which most of the money goes to lawyers — both plaintiff and defense lawyers — and class members get little," Richter replied.

In other words, the company says the only way it can be generous in arbitration is if customers give up the right to join others in suing. Otherwise, those "burdensome" legal costs will force AT&T to be a more hard-nosed negotiator.

AT&T earned $12.5 billion in profit last year.

Public Citizen's Gupta said consumers can expect similar treatment from other companies if the Supreme Court rules in AT&T's favor.

"If the court decides that the federal law trumps state law in this case, there's no limit to what companies could do," Gupta said. "All companies and employers would be able to put arbitration clauses in contracts that prevent people from joining class actions."

Briefs supporting the right to class actions have been filed by a number of consumer groups and civil rights organizations, including the Consumer Federation of America and the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

On the opposing side — that is, backing AT&T's case — are other telecom companies, as well as such well-heeled corporate interests as the American Bankers Assn., the Financial Services Roundtable and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

This is a case you'll want to follow. You have a lot on the line.

SCARY STUFF!

source http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus-20101105,0,639054.column
 

entremet

Member
With the most corporation friendly Supreme Court in history, I wouldn't be surprised of their decision.

It's so sad how terrible consumer protections are in this country.
 
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HeySeuss

Member
Drkirby said:
To be honest, I think they will rule in favor for Class Action Suits to stay.
I'm as cynical as they come, and I agree they won't rule in favor of AT&T. That would set a precident that all other businesses would latch onto to protect themselves.

Consumers have very little leverage as it is, and I really don't see them taking any more away. Consumers have to have some sort of protection against corporate businesses.
 

ronito

Member
Shick Brithouse said:
I'm as cynical as they come, and I agree they won't rule in favor of AT&T. That would set a precident that all other businesses would latch onto to protect themselves.

Consumers have very little leverage as it is, and I really don't see them taking any more away. Consumers have to have some sort of protection against corporate businesses.
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KevinCow

Banned
Shick Brithouse said:
I'm as cynical as they come, and I agree they won't rule in favor of AT&T. That would set a precident that all other businesses would latch onto to protect themselves.

Consumers have very little leverage as it is, and I really don't see them taking any more away. Consumers have to have some sort of protection against corporate businesses.

But consumers aren't the ones who fund politicians' reelection campaigns.
 

mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
Eteric Rice said:
Are there any where major corporations don't control politics?

I'm pretty sure that Somalia is pretty clear of most major corporations.

But consumers aren't the ones who fund politicians' reelection campaigns.

That's true. The Supreme Court Justices do have to think about their next reelection campaigns.
 

Milabrega

Member
mre said:
That's true. The Supreme Court Justices do have to think about their next reelection campaigns.

Supreme Court Justices do have to think about the corporate sponsored events they get to attend, and their wife's ability to get corporate money to help candidates anonymously through a proxy to win elections though.
 

Dead Man

Member
So nobody has used this 1925 law before now? Sounds like every legal department in every major company needs to be fired. It also sounds like a poorly written law that needs to be fixed up if SCOTUS sides with AT&T.
 

KevinCow

Banned
Eteric Rice said:
Were corporations always allowed to donate to campaigns?

Because it seems a bit... Unfair.

Shit should be illegal.

Didn't they recently decide to remove the cap on what corporations can donate? I seem to remember hearing about that a little while back.
 

~Kinggi~

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KevinCow said:
Didn't they recently decide to remove the cap on what corporations can donate? I seem to remember hearing about that a little while back.
Yes this happened, and it still sucks.
 
Vestal said:
SCARY STUFF!

If a majority of the nine justices vote the telecom giant's way, any business that issues a contract to customers — such as for credit cards, cellphones or cable TV — would be able to prevent them from joining class-action lawsuits.

source http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus-20101105,0,639054.column

These aren't even contracts. They are universal, take-it-or-leave-it instruments in which no bargaining whatsoever occurs. Unfortunately, our legal system is a joke and pretends that such an "agreement" is a contract, when it very plainly isn't.

The Supreme Court will side with AT&T. It has five extremists on it, and an even less extremist court has previously held that these "contracts" can be made in such a way to prevent you from suing in a court of law altogether.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Puddles said:
Can't wait for the SCROTUS to fuck this one up.

:lol

This will be terrible if the ruling goes AT&T's way, but eh - do you expect any different from a nation bought and sold long ago by corporations?
 

Srsly

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I think violence may be necessary at some point. Not yet, but eventually if the trend continues of handing this country over to corporations.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
entrement said:
With the most corporation friendly Supreme Court in history, I wouldn't be surprised of their decision.

It's so sad how terrible consumer protections are in this country.
What are you comparing it to? You realize most other countries don't have strict liability laws at ALL. The EU has strict liability for products liability, but its nothing like the US's.
 

jorma

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Teh Hamburglar said:
Nobody is stopping you.

That's not true at all, when you consider immigration laws in the nations he would perceive as better choices.
 

Mael

Member
Gotta love how they're actually removing the only parts that we could envy....
Seriously this sucks and I hope we can get that part of the legislation someday (class action lawsuits I mean)
 

arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
Srsly said:
I think violence may be necessary at some point. Not yet, but eventually if the trend continues of handing this country over to corporations.

Something will need to be done, especially if the rule of law fails. We're still a few ticks away from that though.

The problem is it will be called terrorism.
 

loosus

Banned
I don't think AT&T is getting this from the Supreme Court. There are already many instances where the courts have ruled that you cannot give up some basic legal rights, regardless of what kind of contract you have signed. There are some things that you simply cannot sign away, and I'm willing to bet that this is one of them.

EDIT: On the other hand, if AT&T does somehow wiggle this in, then it may be time for revolution.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Srsly said:
I think violence may be necessary at some point. Not yet, but eventually if the trend continues of handing this country over to corporations.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
 
remember, corporations are now considered as a person now (concerning political donations),
it wouldn't surprise me if they go the telecoms' way
 
After that previous ruling where the SCOTUS upheld a binding arbitration clause in an employment agreement (case involved racial discrimination complaint forced into arbitration instead of federal court), I'm thinking they will rule in favor of AT&T. I'm hoping they'll do the right thing, but I doubt it.
 
This needs to fail...but this court isn't the type to inspire much hope.

It is like a freight train of bad news from all directions has been shooting along since the election, the timing just ridiculous. :/
 
Scalia is one of the worst human beings on the planet. He should be spending the rest of his miserable life in a filthy, unheated prison cell, not on the Supreme Court.
 

atomsk

Party Pooper
mj1108 said:
AT&T obviously knows some kind of class-action lawsuit must be brewing against it....

well there's lots of dubious advertising concerning the 3G data they offer :lol

and my friends all wondered why I was so adamant in saying that lobbyists control the policy in this country, and you can't vote out a lobbyist =/
 
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