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Wasn't it Palmer with the perpetual motion money machine?
bobnowhere
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Basically he proposing a change to business tax where companies no longer pay tax in advance quarterly I think it is, but at the end of the year. This one year change will inject a huge stimulus into the economy and the money will supposedly recycle through the economy up to ten times attracting GST each time. This will allow Clive to spend countless billions on Health, Education and probably Robotic Dinosaurs.
Fantasy, but attractive fantasy for distracted and disenchanted voters.
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Thanks, Obama!
It's a fucking vanity project.
Clive Palmer likes to act dumb, so that people think he isn't actually that bad, it's just an act so that we start to think he is actually sophisticated, reserved and a private man.
Instead he's just a fat narcissistic Queensland billionaire who wants more money and if he can have fun doing it then all the more reason.
According to a left leaning ALP numbers guy here is how each MP will vote in the caucus ballot. Albo needs 58% of the rank and file to attain victory.
Yeah apparently a 15% tax cut is all it will take for the multiplier to go from < 1 like it is in every other growing economy all the way up to 10
Damn......Shorten couldn't ever be PM...although we all said that about Abbott 5 years ago.
He has risen up through the ranks of Labor fast enough to the point where I do believe there is something to him talent wise. Other than the fact that he has the endorsement of fuckwits like Graham Richardson.
I don't think Bill Shorten is Hitler.
Shorten's alright... but he's just a bit of a boring character. He'll do everything right, but he's got the charisma of a wooden plank. No fun allowed.
Albo's a bit more fun and more willing to get fired up for something he (or the party) believes in - his word battle on Triple J on Hack with Turnbull got pretty heated.
Albo's a bit more fun and more willing to get fired up for something he (or the party) believes in - his word battle on Triple J on Hack with Turnbull got pretty heated.
There were enough hints to suspect Hitler really was Hitler for people to know he was Hitler.
I wonder why Australia has avoided rampant gerrymandering. I heard something about the House and Senate in the US being able to set that stuff up themselves, which seems pretty... weird. But I haven't really looked into it at all...
It is an absurd situation.
TriangleOfCorruption
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Old, but still relevant.
As a one time Gold Coast United season ticket holder, be very afraid.
Elaugaufein
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On this we agree totally.
This. Given the Australian public is willing to vote out people rather than vote IN people, they'd be as equally as dumb to vote someone in purely on charisma (of which Albo has >0, ergo more than Abbott).
Old, but still relevant.
History too, apparently.
Listed under their former leaders section...
http://palmerunited.com/joseph-lyons/
http://palmerunited.com/robert-menzies/
http://palmerunited.com/billy-hughes/
bobnowhere
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He was always going to. Virtually every member of the right, the dominant faction, will vote for him and he has clearly picked up a few from the left. Whether Albo's popularity with a far more left aligned general membership will still put him over the line is unclear.
Won't be official until Sunday, but it's likely.
According to that guy on Crikey, Albo would only need 58% of the popular vote to get ahead. I'd say he's still in with a chance. It wouldn't be a bad move to make Shorten his deputy too, since the deputy is usually from the opposite faction to the leader.
manipulate
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AFAIK electorates are are drawn up by an independent commission in Australia, while in the US, politicians draw em up (lol)
Morrison said questions of self-harm on Nauru or Manus were "Matters operational" today, and a cool twitter person ran with it
To the tune of Modern Major-General said:
roosters93
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I know a few people for Shorten.
I think you'll find that while the general public is probably more for Albo and he'll still get plenty of support from the Labor rank and file, ALP members are more sympathetic to Shorten's cause and don't think so harshly of his past actions as the wider public do. Will be interesting but I think Shorten could maybe get both but will win regardless.
What happens if one wins the caucus and the other wins the rank and file ballot?
I think you'll find that while the general public is probably more for Albo and he'll still get plenty of support from the Labor rank and file, ALP members are more sympathetic to Shorten's cause and don't think so harshly of his past actions as the wider public do. Will be interesting but I think Shorten could maybe get both but will win regardless.
What happens if one wins the caucus and the other wins the rank and file ballot?
Gerrymandering was the only reason why sir Joh ever got into power. He was probably the catalyst for reform. Thank god for the AEC.
Thomas Playford in South Australia was also notorious for malapportionment. They even called it the Playmander.
We haven't escaped it completely, but we've done a lot...lot better than the United States where the State Governors control drawing up electoral borders. We've also done a lot better than the UK, where there are lots of really small Labour electorates in the north which skews the system a little bit.
We haven't escaped it completely, but we've done a lot...lot better than the United States where the State Governors control drawing up electoral borders. We've also done a lot better than the UK, where there are lots of really small Labour electorates in the north which skews the system a little bit.
We have an ostensibly neutral electoral commission, the US lets state governments draw the boundaries. The problem is really simple but I don't see either side relinquishing that power.
You've spoken to? Can I ask what you do/how you're able to?
Rank and file members are just dudes, dude. There's at least one in this thread.
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2013/s3867066.htm
George Williams of UNSW Law Faculty weighs in. I guess I paid just enough attention in Constitutional Law to understand what he's talking about - if the Marriage Act defines marriage as between a man and a woman, does that basically take up the entirety of the field? Because Federal Law only overrides State legislation 'to the extent' that they are incompatible, but if the very definition of the area can be determined by Federal Legislation, that kind of means the reach of Commonwealth Powers becomes bloody huge in respect of concurrent powers.
I guess this is really a question more about Federalism than equality.
George Williams of UNSW Law Faculty weighs in. I guess I paid just enough attention in Constitutional Law to understand what he's talking about - if the Marriage Act defines marriage as between a man and a woman, does that basically take up the entirety of the field? Because Federal Law only overrides State legislation 'to the extent' that they are incompatible, but if the very definition of the area can be determined by Federal Legislation, that kind of means the reach of Commonwealth Powers becomes bloody huge in respect of concurrent powers.
I guess this is really a question more about Federalism than equality.
My commiserations.
I was going to post (before I saw your post);
As a fan and follower of soccer in Australia, his behaviour while he owned GCU showed me everything I needed to know to convince me that he should never be allowed anywhere near the government.
edit: And that picture is (IMO) more accurate and less of a p*ss-take than people probably realise.
I guess we will know for certain after the high court challenge. It is also interesting to note that Brandis is a small l Liberal who might actually support same sex marriage (he called John Howard a "lying rodent" during the children overboard scandal) .
Yeah Brandis is a fellow wet.
His opinion column on the HRLC pre-election didn't exactly fill me with confidence
Yep. I agree with him. No issues there.
Edit: I hadn't read this before, fills me with confidence...although I know how quickly ideology can sour once in power...up to us to keep him true to his word.
His ideas of individual freedom seems to be letting Andrew Bolt say racist things and the incredibly weak media reforms, which is the way should be. While I'm probably in the minority here and I do believe Andrew Bolt should have a right to be racist though I thought the media reforms were important. If he really gave a shit about the rights of the individual, he would support a bill of rights (which the greens support).
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