Avatar: Fire and Ash | Official Trailer
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Kacho
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It's the theater experience that's popular, primarily overseas.
Punished Miku
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Day 1. The trailer didn't really do much for me honestly, but I loved the first two. They need to substantially move the story forward in this one or people will check out. By the end, substantial things must be different. Either they're on Earth, or someone wins the war or something big.
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Another Day 1 IMAX for me i'm afraid. These films are visual spectacles that represent the very best VFX can do in this medium.
Someone in the comments said "We got 3 Avatars before GTA6" And that really struck me as goddamn shocking lol.
Someone in the comments said "We got 3 Avatars before GTA6" And that really struck me as goddamn shocking lol.
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clarky
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Yeah like I said the first one in 3D was quite something (at the time).
The movie though was the most generic crap he's put out.
Pharaoh 117
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Probably another forgetful movie of a forgetful franchise. This just looks like a high quality CGI movie but not for a second it fools my brain into thinking that what I'm seeing could be real.
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touchfuzzy
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Avatar 1 came out before GTA5 did so...
Fbh
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Looks like more of the same, but fun. I guess having the blue guys fight each other is a bit different than the previous 2.
Yup. As unremarkable as the story, characters and writing are, I enjoy these movies for the visual spectacle. One of the few franchises that I think is still worth experiencing on the biggest and nicest screen you can find instead of just waiting to watch it at home in a few months for a fraction of the price.
Yup. As unremarkable as the story, characters and writing are, I enjoy these movies for the visual spectacle. One of the few franchises that I think is still worth experiencing on the biggest and nicest screen you can find instead of just waiting to watch it at home in a few months for a fraction of the price.
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Doom85
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Let me tell you, years from now when I'm thinking of Avatar, and Air, Earth, and Fire, it certainly won't be these films I'm thinking of.
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i know, still got a trilogy before gta6.
kruis
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Wow, you're onto something there. That's the first time I heard someone on the internet make that comparison and you're right. Can't enjoy Lawrence of Arabia, Dances with Wolves and The Last Samurai either now you've pointed out that astonishing similarity. Thank you!
ShirAhava
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I'm guessing by the snarky post people have made that comparison a lot? I haven't been on social media heavy since myspace so I genuinely wouldn't know.
Feel free to enjoy whatever unoriginal hollywood cash grabs you want just like I'm free not to enjoy Avatar.
SirKicksalot
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Being an unoriginal troll complaining about originality is peak millennial comedy. You people should write the new Borderlands.
Rran
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Doom85
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Insane Metal
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I couldn't even finish the second movie so whatever.
Lord Panda
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I liked the first two movies well enough but this trailer was straight up:
The ninja farmer
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Like I said in the pre release avatar 2 thread. You don't knock or doubt James Cameron.
Folks have to remember. That this is essentially part II. Of the way of water. It was mentioned a fair amount, that they spilt the script, into 2 movies and that's why this the last movie. with this writing team
I'm expecting more of the same, but with maybe more fire and development for the kids and the now blue bad guy. The knockers are still going to complain. Guess you can't please everybody
Looking forward to the full 3d cinema experience come Xmas
And two movies in. About 5 billion dollars collected so far. Of course this is going to be huge
Folks have to remember. That this is essentially part II. Of the way of water. It was mentioned a fair amount, that they spilt the script, into 2 movies and that's why this the last movie. with this writing team
I'm expecting more of the same, but with maybe more fire and development for the kids and the now blue bad guy. The knockers are still going to complain. Guess you can't please everybody
Looking forward to the full 3d cinema experience come Xmas
And two movies in. About 5 billion dollars collected so far. Of course this is going to be huge
MaestroMike
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Great, another one that'll be totally forgotten after a month.
HRK69
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This guy must be fucking buzzing
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Yup definitely an Avatar movie but by fuck that was a goddamn awful trailer, bar a few new things it looked like one of those fake put together trailers from some youtuber using scenes from the first two, doesnt matter i'll be seeing it in 3D Imax which is the only way to watch these movies but i expected a better trailer from Cameron
Visuals for one, it is a VERY well realized world with very majestic and wonderous landscapes.
The human technology design aesthetic is also very cool, from the enclosed rotor blade aircraft to the mechs to the starship they use.
The Na'vi integration into their world, since there is an ACTUAL planetary 'god being', plays a lot better than the typical "noble savage" indigenous tropes. Hopefully they do more with how the Eywa integration plays into the ecology and how the Na'vi are not wholly autonomous given their connection. Maybe show some desert areas where there are isolated "off-line" Na'vi and how that impacts their evolution.
I'm also ready to expand the universe past Pandora. Seems like human/Na'vi hybrids, the stored memory/consciousness technology, and the slower than light travel could be used to go other places in interesting ways.
As 3 hour experiences I really like the Avatar films. That doesn't really translate into a desire to play the games, read comics, or whatever. I'm actually on Team Earth in the story, seems a pretty easy choice to go mine that Unobtanium stuff and just have the indigs, who seem to have very little difficulty in just moving to the left for a bit, accommodate us. The intelligent whale hunting for life preserving brain oil is a little less sympathetic, but like most things, presumably we are working on artificial synthesized versions. Anyway, that makes me less interested in playing from the Na'vi perspective versus an Alpha Centauri type experience of humans either integrating with or just stamping out the native wildlife.
AJUMP23
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I think the art and style is good. And the 3D tech was the best use in film with the first one. But I think everything else the story and everything drags it down.
Branded
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How can that stupid monkey yawn that long????I liked the first two movies well enough but this trailer was straight up:
Gonpachiro Kamaboko
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I've seen them both with my family they're pretty cool in the theatre
the ambrosia whale thing was insane I was like "wtf is this the same movie" it seemed to come out of nowhere. Still gonna go watch the 3rd one tho
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Yeah, I think Cameron wanted to expand the exploitation angle from not just other humans but higher animal species as well.
I feel like Avatar, like a lot of films like this, REALLY gloss over the CONSTANT state of consumption in the 'natural' world. Surely something is eating those whales, surely they are eating things themselves. Same with the Na'vi, whether you shoot an animal and thank it it or just blast it for it's brain juice, it's still dead and things will live because you killed it and things will die because you killed it before they could. This notion that the 'natural world' exists in perfect balance, no guilt or exploitation, no waste or guilt over actions, its a VERY privileged philosophy bred from almost total ignorance of just how fucking hard a subsistence lifestyle really is.
It would have been nice to get a shot of a little girl on Earth being healed with a tiny drop of that brain juice to add perspective, is all.
DKehoe
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The whale brain juice is used to halt aging rather than treat a medical condition though. I figured it being used for something unnatural and for the super-rich was an intentional contrast.
Well, ageing is kind of a medical condition. Maybe it saves a kid suffering from progeria (the rapid aging disease Robin Williams depicted in Jack). My point is that there is virtually no resource that is EXCLUSIVELY used to just benefit rich people, there are ALWAYS spillover benefits. So to add some nuance to the brain oil thing and make it more grey, that would have been a nice touch.
DKehoe
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A pretty small vial of it being worth a huge amount and there being a limited supply that humans are carelessly ploughing through makes it seem pretty clear that not everyone on Earth is going to be gulping down that whale juice.
Adding that kind of element would undermine the story being told. We're meant to see the whale hunting as a clearly horrible act. If the film suddenly said, "but on the other hand, little Betty is all better now," it would muddy the message and confuse the audience about what they're supposed to feel. The bad guys are doing something wrong, and Cameron wants us to object to that. It's fairly straightforward storytelling. What would more nuance or it being morally grey bring to the story? Not every story needs to be about shades of grey where everyone kind of has a point. A lot of the ones that resonate with people the most have clearly defined heroes and villains. That's not necessarily how life works but it's often what's effective for storytelling.
People talk shit about Avatar's storytelling. And yeh it's pretty straightforward, but I think that's also one of the reasons it has connected with people so well. Cameron knows who he wants us to connect with and builds the story around achieving that. Muddying the waters would lessen that effect.
Perhaps, or maybe some moral haze and a more complete storytelling would be the jolt Avatar needs to become a topic of DISCUSSION, not just transient admiration. It so clearly draws the lines that the viewer is boxed in, left little room to think.
MaestroMike
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Yoda
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So like this'll come out after all his Avatar movies? Will he still be alive??
The ninja farmer
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I think at the moment it's 4 years till the next avatar, after 3 releases.
Maybe he has time for the story of the man who survived both bombs. I know he was talking about the the devils, but that sounds more like a produced by James Cameron movie
Then again. Despite all the talk. An avatar movie apparently takes many years to make !!! So maybe 4 years won't be enough to get one done and the filming complete on number 5 (which I think is 6 years away from release)