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[MaestroMike]

So like this'll come out after all his Avatar movies? Will he still be alive??

Here, Cameron explains his passion for a dark project he'll balance with his continuing Avatar franchise. That has resulted in $2 billion-grossing entries, and which he says he will continue until the audience tells him they've had enough of the blue folks from Pandora. "We drop the next one December 19th, and we'll take it from there," Cameron tells Deadline. "I've got the scripts and we've done preliminary designs on four and five and we're ready to roll into it. But audiences tastes shift, and maybe the movie won't exactly be what they want it to be. Who knows? We'll find out. We always find out the hard way."

DEADLINE: It must be difficult for you to make plans…

CAMERON: Avatar has taken over my life as a filmmaker and I'm now starting to dig my way through that and figure out a future that embraces not only completing the Avatar saga, but also being able to do some of these other projects that are near and dear to me.

DEADLINE: Nolan answered that criticism by basically saying, "I hope somebody tells that story, but to me, this wasn't that story." It might take another heavyweight like James Cameron to do that…

CAMERON: Okay, I'll put up my hand. I'll do it, Chris. No problem. You come to my premiere and say nice things…I can't tell you today what's going to be in the movie. I've been making notes for 15 years and I haven't written a word of the script yet because there's a point where it's all there and then you start to write. That's how I always work. I explore around, I remember the things that impact me. I start to assemble 'em into a narrative. And then there's a moment where you're ready to write. And I'm not in that head space right now.

Mike Fleming Jr: Why James Cameron Is Hellbent On Making ‘Ghosts Of Hiroshima’ Japan-Set Movie That Will Bring Nightmare Look At A-Bomb Blasts

Read a Q&A with James Cameron about why he is hellbent on making 'Ghosts Of Hiroshima' movie that will bring nightmarish look at WWII-ending A-bomb blasts.

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He hasn't written a script for the Hiroshima movie. I think hes waiting to see how this next Avatar movie does if its another $2 billion at the BO hes going to continue making the Avatar films if it bombs he'll probably begin working more on this one. Hes already 70 but he follows like a plant based diet I think hes still in good health

 

[HRK69]

People that love Avatar what is it about them that you love?

Basically visuals

It's in a league of it's own imo

 

[Punished Miku]

I think the art and style is good. And the 3D tech was the best use in film with the first one. But I think everything else the story and everything drags it down.

It's just a movie. I feel like people today would watch Predator and be like, what do you even like about it? It's just a basic story, done well. Has a good villain. Has action. Has great visuals. The end.

 

[jason10mm]

It's just a movie. I feel like people today would watch Predator and be like, what do you even like about it? It's just a basic story, done well. Has a good villain. Has action. Has great visuals. The end.

This is a phenomenon created by the sheer amount of imitation. Predator is basically a slasher film but with commandos instead of teenagers. But it totally flipped the script with the action, the machismo, and the effects. It's like Die Hard in that there are THOUSANDS of subsequent films that are basically "Predator but in a XXX". Because so many riffs on the premise are out there, the "original" feels stale.

 

[Clear]

Still think the art direction is uninspired, derivative and overall mediocre.

Unforgivable really, given the money and tech involved.

 

[Days like these...]

Why at the 14 second mark that kid has a derp derp dumbstruck face at the floating jellyfish? Hasn't he lived on that planet his whole life? I can't believe he's never seen one before.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Avatar is epic, witnessing the first one in theaters was a rare experience

 

[MaestroMike]

 

[jason10mm]

Day one of course but I feel like we are just repeating the pattern of "human war machines vs activated planetary animal defenses" waaaay past diminishing returns. I think the humans would be using tac nukes at this point or trying to poison the Gaia root network.

 

[ADiTAR]

Day one of course but I feel like we are just repeating the pattern of "human war machines vs activated planetary animal defenses" waaaay past diminishing returns. I think the humans would be using tac nukes at this point or trying to poison the Gaia root network.

It really does feel like every movie has the same plot. I haven't watched the latest and this one seems even less exciting. The trailers basically tell the whole story.

 

[near]

 

[Days like these...]

I would watch this if the "bad" ones had a Midwest accent instead of vague African accent.

 

[jason10mm]

A line from the trailer sticks in my craw. Jake Sully sees the dredlocked kid breathing Pandoran atmo with no mask. He says "If humans can breathe here, they have no need of N'avi". Like WTF? The humans ALREADY have no need of N'avi AND have a pretty easy time with just their breather masks, so not sure what would change. I'm sure there will be an explanation for this, but it's just an odd thing to say with the first 2 films.

I never did play the game, is it any good? I would play as a human in a mech, is that possible?

Pandora park at Disney though, still really cool.

 

[T8SC]

He says "If humans can breathe here, they have no need of N'avi". Like WTF? The humans ALREADY have no need of N'avi AND have a pretty easy time with just their breather masks, so not sure what would change.

They sent in terraformers, planet engineers. They go in, set up these big atmosphere processors to make the air breathable. Takes decades. It's what they call a shake-n-bake colony.

 

[John Marston]

I'll watch it for the visuals then immediately forget it just like the 2 previous ones

 

[RCX]

"hello Avatar fans"

Where are these people? I've never met a single one of these fans in the real world.

 

[near]

"hello Avatar fans"

Where are these people? I've never met a single one of these fans in the real world.

They're out there somewhere:

 

[EternalSunshine1976]

"hello Avatar fans"

Where are these people? I've never met a single one of these fans in the real world.

I mean, am I not in the real world, because I am a very big Avatar fan.

Loved the first film, seeing it three times in theaters. Saw The Way of Water three times as well.

Thanks to this thread, I found out that tickets were on sale and snagged two tickets for me and my wife for Saturday opening weekend.

 

[Days like these...]

I'll watch it for the visuals then immediately forget it just like the 2 previous ones

I watched the 1st one on Blu-ray to see what the fuss was about. I honestly don't remember anything about it not even the visuals.that everyone talks about and that was that didn't bother with the 2nd one won't bother with the rest

 

[CGNoire]

A line from the trailer sticks in my craw. Jake Sully sees the dredlocked kid breathing Pandoran atmo with no mask. He says "If humans can breathe here, they have no need of N'avi". Like WTF? The humans ALREADY have no need of N'avi AND have a pretty easy time with just their breather masks, so not sure what would change. I'm sure there will be an explanation for this, but it's just an odd thing to say with the first 2 films.

I never did play the game, is it any good? I would play as a human in a mech, is that possible?

Pandora park at Disney though, still really cool.

The game is good. Its basicly a modern Crysis 2007. Infact you could very easily mod it into a Crysis game with little effort assuming they released tools for it.

 

[poppabk]

It looks like it shares the same story beats as the first two films, which is a shame. I'll watch it eventually, I'm just not very optimistic for it.

Yeah that was my main takeaway, hopefully they do something different with the story but the trailer didn't seem to say so.

 

[HRK69]

He goes a bit in depth about the Avatar movies at the end (timestamped)

 

[Trilobit]

More like Dumpsterfire & Trash amiright.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

He goes a bit in depth about the Avatar movies at the end (timestamped)

That's one hour he could have been working on something NOT Avatar. FFS.

 

[RCX]

They're out there somewhere:

I get that they were financially huge but I just never see anyone mention them in terms of how much they loved them or how high they rank them in their list of favorite movies. They have absolutely no cultural footprint relative to their monetary success.

 

[Pejo]

The franchise really needs some character deaths. The 2nd one introduced way too many, and I can't believe that stupid human boy with dreads is still fluttering around. It's essentially no different than watching a pixar movie at this point, just with mapped and captured faces.

 

[Romulus]

No a big fan of the series but I watched the trailer in 3d on my quest 3 and it looked amazing.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Avatar is a weird franchise. Utterly boring and yet I go day one to watch it and quickly erase from my memory.

 

[Piggoro]

I get that they were financially huge but I just never see anyone mention them in terms of how much they loved them or how high they rank them in their list of favorite movies. They have absolutely no cultural footprint relative to their monetary success.

The first one is in my top 5 favorite movies.

 

[The ninja farmer]

Have to be honest, when it comes to avatar

In the cinema with the big screen and awesome sound. Add in 3d and it's a near 3 hour assault on the eyes and ears. My daughter and I love them and will be there this Xmas for the 3rd

Trust in Jim Cameron (as a director). He knows what we want

Besides. I've heard this is more like part 2 of the way of water and hints at some pretty fine action beats, like an extended 3rd act, from that movie (although I am sure it will have a good hour of character beats and time with new blue people. You know, for development)

 

[ZehDon]

... Besides. I've heard this is more like part 2 of the way of water and hints at some pretty fine action beats, like an extended 3rd act, from that movie (although I am sure it will have a good hour of character beats and time with new blue people. You know, for development)

The original pitch for the Avatar sequels was a trilogy, all filmed at once. However, when Cameron and his writers fully scripted out the treatments, the first of three simply had too much stuff in it to work. So, they broke it in half. "The Way of Water" and "Fire and Ash" are effectively two halves of the first Avatar sequel.

 

[The ninja farmer]

The original pitch for the Avatar sequels was a trilogy, all filmed at once. However, when Cameron and his writers fully scripted out the treatments, the first of three simply had too much stuff in it to work. So, they broke it in half. "The Way of Water" and "Fire and Ash" are effectively two halves of the first Avatar sequel.

That's what I read out there as well. So hoping it follows the Jim Cameron movie template and is really just an extended 3rd act, of eye ball melting action

 

[spookyfish]

Two things about Avatar: At least the creator of it is heavily involved, and didn't sell/give it away to let some mindless company drive it into the ground; and as a 3D fan, I love that the 2nd one was actually released on blu-ray 3D--hoping the same for this one.

Visuals are awesome, story is generally super mid, and yeah -- it should be considered an animated film.

I'll still enjoy the ride.

 

[EternalSunshine1976]

I still hold out hope that one day, one day we will get (if it has to be digital, so be it) 4k 3D versions.... I swear, I don't understand why Meta doesn't leverage their sales of the Quest head sets into 3D movie sales. Perhaps it is more trouble than it is worth, but 3D movies and images in the VR head sets are outstanding, and better than being in the theater.

All that said, I'm likely to pick up the 1080p 3D Blu-Rays Trilogy packet that will be one day available, but a HFR 4K 3D version would be mind blowing.

 

[TrebleShot]

I dont get the hate for these movies ive always enjoyed them and they are a great spectacle.

Looking forward to the new one.

 

[JusticeForAll]

I have enjoyed both of the previous ones in a movie theater. Will again with this one.

After this? Make The Devils! https://joeabercrombie.com/james-cameron-takes-on-the-devils/

 

[dottme]

I like watching them. They are enjoyable movies with beautiful visuals. When I go, I've got a good time and that's great. They won't be best story of the year or anything like that.

 

[Insane Metal]

I really like Cameron's work but Avatar is such a bore.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

The original pitch for the Avatar sequels was a trilogy, all filmed at once. However, when Cameron and his writers fully scripted out the treatments, the first of three simply had too much stuff in it to work. So, they broke it in half. "The Way of Water" and "Fire and Ash" are effectively two halves of the first Avatar sequel.

True.
Also really hope they make a 4th because apparently one of the studio execs replied with a 'Holy Fuck' to seeing the script for the 4th movie.

Excited to see this new one.

 

[EternalSunshine1976]

"Our frothing demand for this [movie] increases." Love me some Treasure and Ikaruga (bought it six times now...), the distinction is that I have this extreme excitement that is growing as the movie approaches. It's another Cameron film in less than a month and that is something to celebrate. It's going to have action like action is supposed to hit. Hit you again and again with the sense of awe... That's what I feel is going to happen at least.

I'm an unabashed Avatar and Avatar Way of Water fan. My kids have seen and appreciated the old classics (i.e., T2, Titanic, Aliens)... These Avatar films have been and are still in a different league I feel compared to other films in terms of just the technical brilliance married with good directing... There are sequences in either film that would be the highlight of lesser films, and they are just setting up the real pay off....

I appreciate and love Nolan and Denis Villeneuve, but my goodness, no one else makes me think JC as much as Cameron. With the original and TWOW, I had high expectations, and they were exceeded.

 

[spookyfish]

I'll watch it for the visuals then immediately forget it just like the 2 previous ones

I was just excited the Way of Water was actually released in the States on Blu-ray 3D. Hoping the same happens for this one. (But yes--they are forgettable stories, to me.)

 

[JimmyRustler]

Can't wait to see the new one in IMAX 3D. Shame the 3D hype died down for the home theater, so the only way to see these movie properly is in the cinema.

Loved the first one to bits. It was my most watched movie in cinema (5 times in total). Then when it was released on BluRay I must have watched it every day for like 2 weeks.
Looking back, I don't understand it myself anymore really. I think this movie just came at the perfect time and we the perfect balance between simple story and spectacle.

Way of the Water wasn't able to recapture that feeling for me. Liked it for the spectacle when I first saw it in cinema and then saw it once more in cinema but that's it. Watched it only one more time in UHD at home. I think the biggest plus of the first one is that it pulled the viewer into the new world so it didn't really need a very good plot. The 2nd however desperately needed it as the novelty was now gone and didn't deliver. The whole hassle with the kids was such a downer. Hope they are able to pick up the slack with part 3 and introduce a story that makes you look forward to what will happen next. But regardless of that I'll prolly watch it 2-3 times in my local IMAX 3D. Just for the spectacle.

 

[Days like these...]

True.
Also really hope they make a 4th because apparently one of the studio execs replied with a 'Holy Fuck' to seeing the script for the 4th movie.

Excited to see this new one.

I'd temper my expectations Why wait till the 4th film for a good script?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I'd temper my expectations Why wait till the 4th film for a good script?

I still enjoy the Avatar movies for what they are. Just looking forward to how the story evovles as there was talk about the Navi ending up on Earth in Part 4/5 if it gets that far.

 

[EternalSunshine1976]

It would be so interesting to see how they present earth in that future time. It would be quite an experience in HFR 3D as well. It has the chance to be a touchstone moment.

These films are not something like There Will Be Blood or a Tarantino film. BUT the overall arc of the story, if they can pull it off, will likely be remembered for decades to come. That overall story and the way they get there, I consider to be quality writing.

 

[Generic]

Avatar is the perfect movie. Avatar 2 is fine, but a bit underwhelming.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Avatar 2 was so stupid though, I remember scenes at the end that made no logical sense, and was that the one with the ultra corny human dreadlock child?

At least the first one was ok, the second was just about the kids, I cringed a lot in that film.

 

[SirKicksalot]

I still hold out hope that one day, one day we will get (if it has to be digital, so be it) 4k 3D versions.... I swear, I don't understand why Meta doesn't leverage their sales of the Quest head sets into 3D movie sales. Perhaps it is more trouble than it is worth, but 3D movies and images in the VR head sets are outstanding, and better than being in the theater.

All that said, I'm likely to pick up the 1080p 3D Blu-Rays Trilogy packet that will be one day available, but a HFR 4K 3D version would be mind blowing.

The Avatars and Titanic are available to purchase in HFR 4K 3D on the Apple headset. Right now, there are like five movies per year released in HFR, and in 2025 Jurassic World was exclusive to China.
For some reason, The Hobbit really poisoned the HFR well. It was an experiment and the second movie was adjusted based on feedback from the first, but people are still mad about HFR... TrueCut can solve its problems now:

I believe HFR will be widely available at home in the next decade, once the library gets bigger and more movies are remastered.

Both Avatar 2 and 3 are actually rendered in 2K!

 

[EternalSunshine1976]

The Avatars and Titanic are available to purchase in HFR 4K 3D on the Apple headset. Right now, there are like five movies per year released in HFR, and in 2025 Jurassic World was exclusive to China.
For some reason, The Hobbit really poisoned the HFR well. It was an experiment and the second movie was adjusted based on feedback from the first, but people are still mad about HFR... TrueCut can solve its problems now:

I believe HFR will be widely available at home in the next decade, once the library gets bigger and more movies are remastered.

Both Avatar 2 and 3 are actually rendered in 2K!

That's awesome, only hope they somehow don't leave it exclusive to Apple because the AVP is way outside of my budget. Perhaps with future iterations of the Quest or Samsung, will encourage film studios to release these outside of the Apple ecosystem.

 

[jason10mm]

The Avatars and Titanic are available to purchase in HFR 4K 3D on the Apple headset. Right now, there are like five movies per year released in HFR, and in 2025 Jurassic World was exclusive to China.
For some reason, The Hobbit really poisoned the HFR well. It was an experiment and the second movie was adjusted based on feedback from the first, but people are still mad about HFR... TrueCut can solve its problems now:

That's because it looked TERRIBLE. HFR in 3D to keep up the brightness was a laudable goal, but the downside was the cartoony motion and a very "this is a set" appearance of things. The soap opera effect is very real and I don't think filmmakers really know how to combat it. 3D is also a contributor to movies feeling set-like, you can't film the same way. Lots of 3D films suffer from this (especially the ones where the 3D effect was added in later). Cameron understands 3D very well, I must say, the Avatar films really benefit from it, aside from a few areas where he makes mistakes (adding a 3D effect to what is supposed to be a flat photograph, for example).