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Avatar sequels preemptive damage control by Cameron himself.

jason10mm

Gold Member
More than 10 years to make a sequel?
Hold my beer

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ultrazilla

Gold Member
Fuck rona' read this from the article:

For one, all the actors appearing in Avatar 2 needed to receive training from professional divers so that they would be able to free dive into water and hold their breath much longer that normal. Cameron told EW he was amazed at how long two actors in particular were able to hold their breath underwater. At 72, Sigourney Weaver could safely stay underwater for six and a half minutes while Cameron’s old collaborator from Titanic, Kate Winslet, was able to hold her breath for seven and a half minutes. Cameron described a moment during production when he walked by the special 900,000 gallon tank built for Avatar 2, to find Winslet leisurely walking along the bottom of it, holding her breath, as if she was taking a morning stroll.

My 50 year old ass can barely hold my breath a couple minutes! WTF!?!

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Theaters are basically dead. Not sure why anyone would think poorly of someone just pointing it out. He's one of the most successful filmmakers of all time. Its not about him proving himself. Its about him saying that his type of movie may no longer exist because the entire modern landscape has changed. Original IP movies with a huge budget that push tech forward and take risks. We may not see them ever again.
 

Tams

Member
Do many people actually want a sequel?

It was a rather blame, stereotypical story. The 3D was the only thing that got it interest and press. And while the CGI has aged quite well, it's nothing special (perhaps over done) these days and is still dated. 3D is still around at cinemas... just.


I certainly would never bother watching it again.
 
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ZehDon

Member
With Dune doing nearly USD$400m globally, Avatar 2 should do just fine. Internet folks forget that they didn't drive the success of the first movie. Their opinions don't really count for much when the average joe goes to see a movie two or three times a piece.

Bet against James Cameron at your own risk.
 

Sosokrates

Report me if I continue to console war
Anecdotal but i saw Spiderman no way home today and the cinema was packed.

Maybe they should create hotels which show new movies along side cinema releases. It would be nice to have an option that does not require you to go in a big room with lots of other people.
 
I don't care if Cameron made Aliens, T2, and Titanic. Avatar was mediocre at best. He relied too heavily on technology to carry that movie. It's hard for me to be hyped for a movie that is taking so long when the first one wasn't even good. The "4 planned sequels" is just a hilarious joke to me at this point.
 
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godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I want to see this. The first one was shit, but after two decades of super hero turds, star wars rehashes, woke dramas, and shit remakes, the bar is so fucking low I welcome Cameron’s latest creation with open arms.
 
Hollywood actors putting in better performance than Navy Seals? Calling bullshit on that.

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No chance a properly trained SEAL can only do 2-3 minutes. The average person with a little bit of training could do that. The Guinness record is held by a 56 year old guy at 24 minutes.

Like i said before, go watch Making of the Abyss (its on youtube). Cameron expects his actors and film crew to be skilled underwater. The guy is a perfectionist.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Are general audiences supposed to be excited by this,

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When you now have this at home and real-time? ( I looked for an equivalent screenshot)

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These sequels have taken so long to get made that the tech is outdated.

Lol. That's a concept shot. It won't look like that in the actual film.

One of the reasons the film has taken so long is because they needed to develop the technology for underwater motion capture.
 
Gotta lol at all these people questioning one of the truly greats of cinema, he isn't just a filmmaker he's a cinematic pioneer ushering in all sorts of new technologies, when you watch a James Cameron film you're seeing hundreds of millions of dollars on screen and you're seeing shit you've never seen before , the guys a fucking genius and say what you want about Avatar but nothing has ever come remotely close to how he implemented 3D into a film not to mention the ground breaking cgi that still holds up to this day... So the guy that give us Terminator, T2, Abyss, True Lies, Aliens, Titanic and Avatar is gonna make a fucking dud??? I enjoyed Avatar and so did a whole lot of other people and I can't wait to see what he's accomplished with this one
 
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Mobilemofo

Member
to be honest, i enjoyed the original avatar a lot. looked beautiful. however, i am less inclined to go to the pictures than ever before. i would much rather play a story driven game than sit through a movie nowadays. i've not read alot about the avatar sequels but i wonder if they use unreal engine in any capacity?
 

Mobilemofo

Member
No chance a properly trained SEAL can only do 2-3 minutes. The average person with a little bit of training could do that. The Guinness record is held by a 56 year old guy at 24 minutes.

Like i said before, go watch Making of the Abyss (its on youtube). Cameron expects his actors and film crew to be skilled underwater. The guy is a perfectionist.

i if remember correctly, some of the interviews with prospective actors were held under water, using sign language and morse code.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Well, that's what they have put out to promote the film. I don't see a "Concept only shot" stamp on the image.

Clearly concept art. There is no way this film, a James Cameron film as well, will have 90s style CGI.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I think the real problem is going to be a lack of repeat viewing. I saw Avatar in theater like 4 times, very unlikely folks do that in the covid era. IIRC it was the repeat viewers that really gave avatar those legs.
 

VN1X

Banned
So weird to see all the hate that's thrown towards Avatar (and its sequels). I bet it's only because it became such a successful and popular film that people have an unbridled dislike for it now or something.

I saw it twice in IMAX and loved it. And that's coming from someone who fully realizes it's just another take on Dances with Wolves (though saying that I don't think that's a fair criticism at all considering the execution was so on point, you could even classify it as a retelling in a sci-fi setting if it bothers you that much) or that some of the writing was a bit on the nose. I just think it's a very well put together movie.

It's a shame that the sequels will be shown in such a different climate compared to 2009 as I reckon everyone (even the haters) would've loved to see how these new films would've performed so many years after the original's release.
 
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Just wait until China denies it a release. It could happen.

Not a chance. Early this year China re-released some movies to get people back to cinemas. Four days before the push they emailed Landau asking for a DCP to multiply. It dominated the box office for two weeks with zero marketing.
Avatar basically created the Chinese market in 2009.

Another reason why Avatar 2 will be gigantic: it won't be forced out of the best screens. In 2010 contracts were already in place to replace Avatar with Alice in Wonderland and theatres were pissed. Anyway, Avatar continued to make money in cinemas on smaller screens even after the Blu-Ray was released in April (it was the fastest home release at the time, four months after the premiere).
 

Stuart360

Member
It depends what you class as a 'bomb' in a post Covid box office world.
The sequel is obviously not going to beat the first films 2.8bil worldwide total, but i think the film still has a shot at a billion worldwide, maybe even 1.5bil if Cameron knocks it out of the park, which he tends to do with sequels.

I have learnt to never question Cameron when it comes to box office. I wouldnt even be that surprised if it acts like a pre-covid release.
 

Horatius

Member
how are there still dumb motherfuckers doubting james cameron out there

fuck does he have to do to make you people realise he shits gold lmao

imagine still betting against him

fuckin things will probably make 1.5 bil easy

"this time it'll bomb, i swear" says increasingly nervous man for the 7th time
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
White men oppress a native population

Single White man integrates with native population learning thier ways

Gains a moral complex and joins thier cause

Falls in love with a woman from the native population

Rinse and repeat.
I forgot when the white man flew a fucking dragon in Pocahantas.
 

Lunarorbit

Member
I can't wait to hate on this movie when it comes out. I might end up actually liking it but in my mind this series is like EA management of studios levels bad.

Is it really? Of course not but I got a fucking massive headache after watching the first one in 3d. It looked cool visually but the story of colonialism on a new planet was trite.
 
I forgot when the white man flew a fucking dragon in Pocahantas.
Plots are basically the same which was my initial point. Sorry, but there's nothing original about the story of Avatar. You could also throw The Last Samurai in there except no love story is involved and the ending is much more emotionally impactful.
 
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Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
He wanted to transform the theater experience with technological advancement as part of these releases. That's not going to be feasible while COVID hangs in the air and the market has shifted to streaming.

These days he’s much more open to alternative viewing methods.

Here is a really in-depth and excellent interview between Villeneuve and Cameron on Dune, Avatar(s), filming methods etc., that I recommend everyone to check out:

 

Bragr

Banned
The problem here, is people basically wishing hate on these sequels and in doing so, failing to see the larger picture.

Movies are not making much money these days, the Avatar sequels will most likely also succumb to that. But remember this, the less money movies make, the less expensive blockbusters we'll receive. So hate away, we'll look back at this in 5 years when you're sick of the each cheap ass Netflix series and Cameron (and others) has retired with his millions because he's not interested in making mass produced shite.
Superhero movies, that's the future, just cheap rubbish everywhere. True filmmakers will do something else with their time. Kurosawa told us long ago.
 

Days like these...

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how are there still dumb motherfuckers doubting james cameron out there

fuck does he have to do to make you people realise he shits gold lmao

imagine still betting against him

fuckin things will probably make 1.5 bil easy

"this time it'll bomb, i swear" says increasingly nervous man for the 7th time
No one is nervous, it's just that Avatar was a really bad movie.
 
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Ah, we're at the preemptively bashing the new James Cameron movie phase again. I mean, his other big movies like Titanic and Avatar 1 were huge bombs just like everyone predicted, right? Why do they keep giving him money to make more movies?!

L M A O
 
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sinnergy

Member
Ah, we're at the preemptively bashing the new James Cameron movie phase again. I mean, his other big movies like Titanic and Avatar 1 were huge bombs just like everyone predicted, right? Why do they keep giving him money to make more movies?!

L M A O
GAF is all knowing !! They got it right with his last movies , that the switch would flop .. just saying .
 

sinnergy

Member
Is he CGI?
Is the whole cast CGI, is the whole movie 3D CGI. Is it shot at 60 / 96 / 120 frames a second? All those questions need answers …
 
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Expecting nothing less than a technological revolution. Cameron is a mad genius when it comes to pushing the visual side of the medium, but not only. The guy's resume outside of cinema is truly inspiring...
 

Tams

Member
So weird to see all the hate that's thrown towards Avatar (and its sequels). I bet it's only because it became such a successful and popular film that people have an unbridled dislike for it now or something.

I saw it twice in IMAX and loved it. And that's coming from someone who fully realizes it's just another take on Dances with Wolves (though saying that I don't think that's a fair criticism at all considering the execution was so on point, you could even classify it as a retelling in a sci-fi setting if it bothers you that much) or that some of the writing was a bit on the nose. I just think it's a very well put together movie.

It's a shame that the sequels will be shown in such a different climate compared to 2009 as I reckon everyone (even the haters) would've loved to see how these new films would've performed so many years after the original's release.
No, I just found it boring.

The 3D was impressive at the time. And it was great for the first half, but by about halfway the novelty started to wear off. I had no inclination to see it again.
 
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