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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product

Topher

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It's more that a lot of people don't realise how they decide to spend their time while using these sub services is the only voting tool they have.

But that's another discussion entirely.

Yeah....really goes back to how important the issue really is to you. If SBI is a deal breaker then that should be that. Same for pronouns. Neither are deal breakers for me personally and I said that early on in this thread. Everyone can decide that for themselves.
 

EviLore

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Staff Member
I'm not downplaying how Elon Musk is important in modern times, just that the comparison is completely off with motherfucking Einstein. Thomas Edison is more like it. I mean, unless you think that comparing Elon Musk to the dude that invented the light bulb is downplaying?
Yes, much of it would not exist if not for his involvement, but he is not inventing the technologies personally. But it’s not technology that can be invented by one person. He sets the goal and makes what no one else can do happen, particularly with SpaceX.

He is not Einstein. But he is an extreme outlier combination of smart, obsessively driven, a good leader, charismatic, and willing to go all-in on whatever he sets his sights on.
 
Yeah....really goes back to how important the issue really is to you. If SBI is a deal breaker then that should be that. Same for pronouns. Neither are deal breakers for me personally and I said that early on in this thread. Everyone can decide that for themselves.

I’ve been debating getting Banishers but I know it’s SBI’ed. I don’t know what all it has though, if it’s just the interracial relationship, I don’t give a shit. In one myself.
 

Radical_3d

Member
Yeah. The great internet meme purge. Funny how all these hosting sites purged around the same time, and tons were lost or harder to track down. But nothing stops this train!
The one with the grampa negating with the head I can live without. But to loose the storm troopers failing to breach in while it slowly fades “NeoGAF” was a tragedy. It was a classic here.
 

DenchDeckard

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There's multiple pieces of evidence that he isn't the only one on the team sharing this mentality. The fact that he still has his job and continues to say similar stuff with such impunity - and has been for years - is a testament to that fact.

But I don't think there's any point in discussing this preemptively in such detail.

Funnily enough, Obsidian's last game, The Outer Worlds, literally has a mission that is about helping two LGBTQ+ lovers. And that game came way back in 2019, when this DEI woke shit wasn't even as pronounced.

I can only imagine the kind of things they'd be openly doing this time around.


Why would you boost an SBI-powered game's engagement numbers?

Jeez, your fanboyism is a bit much. Do you approach Last of Us 2, SPider man, God Of War...Basically all of Sonys games with this mentality?

I know you don't, you are just trolling and warring.

I am also enjoying GHG GHG 's empathy emoji on my completely rational post. You guys wear your fanboyism on your sleeves. I just wish you would embrace it and admit it instead of playing neutral.

The Microsoft hate boner is driving your engagement on this topic and we can all see it from a mile away :)
It's all good though and still love you both.
 
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As opposed to buying it day one, yeah playing it on GamePass because SBI is involved is a step down. And if SBI were involved with Avowed then I wouldn’t be buying it day one, either. THAT would be a double standard or hypocritical take. Not buying a game because of SBI and the effect they have proven to have on games is one thing. Not buying into some low IQ warrior’s “woke virus” or whatever mentality because of a pronoun on a screen is not the same thing.

And the cherry on top is it being turned into some kind of Microsoft apologist thing when they are both Microsoft games. Again, low IQ. Just gotta laugh at these people.

If it makes you sleep better at night...

Seriously though, It would be better if you just stopped typing, these mental gymnastics are really something else, but sure, go on and keep gaslighting people.

PS : and yes, you are being hypocritical, extremely so.
 
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fallingdove

Member
My issue with Concord was its sheer genericness and then on top of that they created a hero shooter which had pronouns on the characters. Like pronouns on a robot and not decided etc on an alien.

Being able to choose your pronoun for your character that you are creating is literally RPG and no where near like a studio forcing a pronoun on a robot IMO. Maybe, that's just me.
As long as you are comfortable with where you decided to move your goal posts. Strangely, they always seem to move a little bit more when they are green.

For someone who entered this thread applauding the behavior of this art director, I’m glad you at least landed back on “Xbox is tolerable, Sony is REALLY bad”.
 

GHG

Member
Jeez, your fanboyism is a bit much. Do you approach Last of Us 2, SPider man, God Of War...Basically all of Sonys games with this mentality?

I know you don't, you are just trolling and warring.

I am also enjoying GHG GHG 's empathy emoji on my completely rational post. You guys where your fanboyism on your sleeves. I just wish you would embrace it and admit it instead of playing neutral.

The Microsoft hate boner is driving your engagement on this topic and we can all see it from a mile away :)
It's all good though and still love you both.

I don't play neutral. Everyone knows what I like and don't like (including why), it's well documented across my time at this forum (along with how my opinions have changed over time and what's shaped those opinions).

The empathy emoji was because you are deciding to be naive about what the game will contain. All while deciding to ignore the comments coming from developers at the studio along with ignoring their most recent game of this size/scope (the outer worlds). The writing is on the wall but you're not reading it.

Also, it's "wear", not where.


You Go Girl GIF
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Jeez, your fanboyism is a bit much. Do you approach Last of Us 2, SPider man, God Of War...Basically all of Sonys games with this mentality?

I know you don't, you are just trolling and warring.

I am also enjoying GHG GHG 's empathy emoji on my completely rational post. You guys wear your fanboyism on your sleeves. I just wish you would embrace it and admit it instead of playing neutral.

The Microsoft hate boner is driving your engagement on this topic and we can all see it from a mile away :)
It's all good though and still love you both.
Weird that you resort to personal attacks instead of carrying a conversation like a normal human being?

Does our criticism on Microsoft negatively affect you personally in any way?
 

stn

Member
I’ve been debating getting Banishers but I know it’s SBI’ed. I don’t know what all it has though, if it’s just the interracial relationship, I don’t give a shit. In one myself.
Banishers deserves your purchase. Very solid game, lots of care put into the story and world. The two leading characters are good, and yes they're in an interracial relationship. In all the time I've played it, I haven't seen any forced agenda or anything.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
At least you finally understand it’s an Xbox game. You’re one step closer to crawling out of that console warrior shithole you’ve sunk into.
Again, no response to the actual question. Instead, you start personal attacks.

What are you so afraid of?

What's stopping you from saying "yes, I don't really care about SBI as I said before, as long as it is a Microsoft game. I'll play and reward them. I don't care." Or "I don't care if it's a Microsoft game. If it is SBI, I am not playing it because it goes against my values."

So afraid to keep the hypocritical charade going. At least own yourself and your prejudice.
 
If it makes you sleep better at night...

Seriously though, It would be better if you just stopped typing, these mental gymnastics are really something else, but sure, go on and keep gaslighting people.

PS : and yes, you are being hypocritical, extremely so.

Explain the hypocrisy. Should make for a funny read. Also we can add gaslighting to the list of words you don’t understand, alongside hypocrisy.
 
Again, no response to the actual question. Instead, you start personal attacks.

What are you so afraid of?

What's stopping you from saying "yes, I don't really care about SBI as I said before, as long as it is a Microsoft game. I'll play and reward them. I don't care." Or "I don't care if it's a Microsoft game. If it is SBI, I am not playing it because it goes against my values."

So afraid to keep the hypocritical charade going. At least own yourself and your prejudice.

Is it a personal attack to call you a console warrior? I don’t think so. It’s your persona here.

I said I’m not buying a Microsoft game because SBI is involved. It’s really that simple. You can try to twist it into whatever you want, it’s what your ilk does. It’s ok, you’ll score a lot of cool emoji reactions from the rest of the circle jerk.
 

tkscz

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Following discourse over Avowed’s pronouns, he pointed to an image of former Blizzard developer Mark Kern and Elon Musk, dubbing the image “Sickos.jpg.” This was followed by additional criticism of Elon Musk, where the developer claimed to have wanted to make Elon Musk mad with his work on the RPG.
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How many times has this mistake been made? If you are the dev or apart of the team stay the fuck offline. This is anti-marketing. Makes people want to buy the game less.

And he's so fucking proud of insulting them too. I was never interested in the game but I can tell after this that this will negatively impact sells.

So cock sure full of themselves. Fucking morons, I'd fire someone on the spot for this shit.
 

DenchDeckard

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As long as you are comfortable with where you decided to move your goal posts. Strangely, they always seem to move a little bit more when they are green.

For someone who entered this thread applauding the behavior of this art director, I’m glad you at least landed back on “Xbox is tolerable, Sony is REALLY bad”.

Not moving the goal posts at all. I am ripping the shit out of this douchebag art director.
I don't play neutral. Everyone knows what I like and don't like (including why), it's well documented across my time at this forum (along with how my opinions have changed over time and what's shaped those opinions).

The empathy emoji was because you are deciding to be naive about what the game will contain, all while deciding to ignore the comments coming from developers at the studio and while ignoring their most recent game of this size/scope (the outer worlds). The writing is on the wall but you're not reading it.

Also, it's "wear", not where.


You Go Girl GIF
I am not being naive to what the game will contain. I am saying I will wait to see what is in the game outside of the pretty normal pronouns we see in these games now. From the previews there is no mention of anything DEI / Baby Inc etc. Nothing close to what we have seen in other titles, anyway. If there is anything DA:V style in the finished game I will avoid avowed :)

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Weird that you resort to personal attacks instead of carrying a conversation like a normal human being?

Does our criticism on Microsoft negatively affect you personally in any way?

I'm not attacking you personally, I am calling out your hypocricy. If you have enjoyed any games from Sony in the last 5 years, which we all know you have. They have literally been FILLED with this shit. It's the only reason I bring up Sony, because it is you.

Aloy - Lesbian
LOU II DEI out the ass - Director is a massive inane pusher of these liberal left wing extreme views. Do you imagine all of Naughty Dog are as bad as Drunkman?
- Lesbian main protag
Spider man 2 - DEI to the extreme, Gay quests, DEI miles doing runs for an African American museum.

Honestly the list goes on and on and would take like 2 seconds to dive deeper.

Just be honest with this shit across the board. That is all that is required but you guys are not being honest, and we know why. It's not me moving goal posts at all. It's you guys.
 
Pronouns always were and are a red flag and the first example of someone who is easily led like a sheep at best, or a virtue signaling performative snake using them for opportunity. Literally everything with these people is out of the same playbook from doubling down to performative bullshit laced with moral superiority.

Gotta love all the handwavers/gaslighters posting in this thread and many others revealing the brainrot across western studios getting proven wrong time and time again. They know full well what the deal is, but are working overtime to distract anything from the fact western studios are compromised to their core with people just like the latest example here.

Some greatest hits from the Narcissist album

"it's just a character creator"
"it's just pronouns "
"its just top scars"
"why do you care"
"maybe this game isn't for you"
"oh you're posting information from *That* guy again, don't you know they did XYZ"
"the rumors aren't true, it's just a way for these grifters to make money"

How it's going for the handwavers
Day 1 - It's just pronouns, this doesn't mean anything, I'm not going to let one detail in a character creator sway me (yeah that whole dragon age thing didn't pan out though did it? Oh well, just pretend that didn't happen)
Day 2 - Alright, by his own admission he's just a racist with a white savior complex who also happens to be promoting ageism.... (not a good look but must continue diverting discussion to other details)
Day 3 - Ok well he doesn't represent the entire company, surely they will fire someone like this? (Hmm, no he still has a job - could it possibly be that the rumors were true and that the entire company culture may* just support this type of person and thinking?)

"Well, all this information aside I'll continue to handwave here, and the next time it happens, and the next"

I'd imagine there are people who are absolutely held hostage across so many studios, who have to stay silent as they watch years of their work burn up before their eyes , all because they are permiated with self hating, narcissistic, virtue signaling fools.
 

John Wick

Member
my post was very clearly worded. You’ve dismissed positive previews as smoke and mirrors from gaming journalists, dodging the fact that the preview was extended to a wide assortment of streamers including many most of the community here claim to trust.



Musk is going to buy Microsoft?
Why does he need to buy MS to buy Obsidian?
You sometimes write the dumbest shit don't you?


If you really wanted this ‘agenda’ dead, why did you say you were going to buy multiple copies of Hogwarts Legacy?

Did you die when you played the game, with its liberal use of they/them pronouns?
I bought two to punish all those who wanted the games cancelled along with JK Rowling. It's funny how woke and gender is a huge thing just in the US and the west???
 

DenchDeckard

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Pronouns always were and are a red flag and the first example of someone who is easily led like a sheep at best, or a virtue signaling performative snake using them for opportunity. Literally everything with these people is out of the same playbook from doubling down to performative bullshit laced with moral superiority.

Gotta love all the handwavers/gaslighters posting in this thread and many others revealing the brainrot across western studios getting proven wrong time and time again. They know full well what the deal is, but are working overtime to distract anything from the fact western studios are compromised to their core with people just like the latest example here.

Some greatest hits from the Narcissist album
"it's just a character creator"
"it's just pronouns "
"its just top scars"
"why do you care"
"maybe this game isn't for you"
"oh you're posting information from *That* guy again, don't you know they did XYZ"
"the rumors aren't true, it's just a way for these grifters to make money"

How it's going for the handwavers
Day 1 - It's just pronouns, this doesn't mean anything, I'm not going to let one detail in a character creator sway me (yeah that whole dragon age thing didn't pan out though did it? Oh well, just pretend that didn't happen)
Day 2 - Alright, by his own admission he's just a racist with a white savior complex who also happens to be promoting ageism.... (not a good look but must continue diverting discussion to other details)
Day 3 - Ok well he doesn't represent the entire company, surely they will fire someone like this? (Hmm, no he still has a job - could it possibly be that the rumors were true and that the entire company culture may* just support this type of person and thinking?)

"Well, all this information aside I'll continue to handwave here, and the next time it happens, and the next"

I'd imagine there are people who are absolutely held hostage across so many studios, who have to stay silent as they watch years of their work burn up before their eyes , all because they are permiated with self hating, narcissistic, virtue signaling fools.

It's like Balders Gate 3. Commercial and critical success. Loved by millions of gamers across the world didn't exist.

And then people talk about gaslighting.

This art director needs sacking. Raking over the coals. Publicly humiliated. Do the investigation on DEI hires and racism towards white people. I'm all for it.

I'll be on the front lines with GHG GHG and Heisenberg007 Heisenberg007 I'm just saying keep that energy.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
The feminists and race activists have convinced a lot of you white men into hating yourself. Because they hate you. It's impressive that they've managed to pull this off on such a large scale. Says a lot about the state of masculinity on a societal level.
Not at all. But cishet white guys have to play "the ally" if they are in middle management. Or pick up an easy oppression point by being "non-binary" or "neurodivergent" as cover. The whole thing is performative because they feel vulnerable. The top management isn't gonna change, so the most visible way to "be progressive" is to sack these middle level white guys unless they can claim a victim status themselves or point fingers at anyone but themselves.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
In fact, with Avowed being neutered for sex, which is a « downgrade » compared to typical cRPG, it might be refreshing for one and be less woke. Companions all chasing you for any friendly interaction is annoying as fuck, these systems are always jank.

Baldur’s Gate 3 run where Gale was my best buddy took quite a turn when at camp he said he wanted to show me a magic trick. I was like sure bro, that’ll be cool… oh wait..
Agreed. I think games like this should just ask a few questions during character creation so I never have to sit through some awkward conversation with a chap (or chapette, if thats your choice). BG3 was obnoxious with how forward some of the characters were when it should have been pretty obvious I wasn't batting for that team.
 
The feminists and race activists have convinced a lot of you white men into hating yourself. Because they hate you. It's impressive that they've managed to pull this off on such a large scale. Says a lot about the state of masculinity on a societal level.
The crazies who supports the woke psychopaths are just like them as in they lack common sense, reason, and don't think like normal people. So it's no surprised they could easily be manipulated into hating themselves.
It's funny because he actually comes off as narcissistic. He thinks of himself as some kind of white savior.

These people are about as racist as you can get. They're the very thing they hate.
Yeah being big hypocrites are usually one of their traits as they are actually the ones who are bigot and racist. And not to mention over 95% of the time the people the insane woke side labels as racist or bigots aren't actually racist or bigots in the first place.
If it makes you sleep better at night...

Seriously though, It would be better if you just stopped typing, these mental gymnastics are really something else, but sure, go on and keep gaslighting people.

PS : and yes, you are being hypocritical, extremely so.
The woke folks who supports their insane twisted crazy lunatic overlords are usually hypocrites so it's no surprise.
 
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Mayar

Member
Hey at least it's a step in the right direction.

Even if the step is very small. :goog_relieved:
Well, yes indeed, all that remains is to make them not look like lifeless androids with stretched skin and no animations, and at least introduce some variety in terms of breast size for the sake of decency. But yes, it's a step in the right direction, you have to look under a microscope, but it's definitely there. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

ItJustWorks

Banned
Meh, if the game is good I'm playing it. Doesn't seem like you really like games all that much if you're gonna boycott a proper elder scrolls like successor by a good dev, that we rarely get, because of your political ideology.

That's the same shit the purple place does. No different.

If the game is good I'm playing it. Because I actually like video games.

Great, another retard in charge of a game studio. It's such a shame that these are the people who make games now.
Does the game look bad?

Also, you guys are inconsistent. Hogwarts had trans and gay characters in it and you still championed it. So...seeing as that was the case, this seems more about upsetting "the other side" more than it is any sort of real principle.

You guys fucked up by supporting hogwarts, kinda exposes the inconsistency. No real argument for it, if you're gonna not buy this over pronouns lol
 
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This just in: Idiot decides to try to troll Elon. Will horribly regret it in the immediate and long term timeframe.
 
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