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[Lord Error]

TWO SCREENS instead of one...

Which of course is innovative (if you don't count Nintendo's own Dual Screen Game & Watch) but how much useful, and in what way it improves games and gives better experience? I just don't see it being anything but inferior to one-large-screen option.

TOUCH SCREEN...

Which of course is not innovative as there have been PDA games that use touch screen for the last ten years - *however* it certainly does bring a new and interesting element in games.

Doesn't anyone understand that just because something is black and shiny, that the hard-on it gives them won't meant squat when the gameplay is just like everything else they've played over the last 20 years ?

Just because VF4:Evo and Hustle Fighter: Choaniki Edition use the same kind of button input, does not mean that one of them doesn't have massively higher quality gameplay and is a more satisfying game. Why don't you try to understand that most gamers would much rather play a high quality game with traditional input, than a poorly made game with a unique input control? Just slapping a stylus input onto a game does not magically make it 10x better. It has to make sense to use that kind of input, and the game has to be high quality regardless of it's control input.

 

[Shadax]

I´m surprised of the bad answer is getting DS from specialised journalists. It goes from "I don´t care" to "I hate it" in most of the cases. I could document some cases in my own country, but I see it everywhere.

It´s more, I barely have seen journalist saying highly favorable opinions about DS. I mean, i have seen people I respect a lot like Fenegi saying that he "hates" DS, but not a journalist that says "it´s the best thing ever".

What do you think about it?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe DS actually doesn't appeal to a lot of people and as such they're giving it lukewarm reception? Also, and this is purely opinion, but maybe it really isn't such a great system and there are a lot of people out there that share this opinion?

 

[Shadax]

I don't see how any serious journalist could have a "highly favorable" opinion of the DS, unless they happen to write for Nintendo Power or some such. Nintendo threw together an ill-conceived product, and rushed it to market without allowing nearly enough time for any interesting software to be developed -- and they're getting called on it.

*claps*

Now why is this obvious truth so hard for some people on this board to grasp?

 

[The End]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe DS actually doesn't appeal to a lot of people and as such they're giving it lukewarm reception? Also, and this is purely opinion, but maybe it really isn't such a great system and there are a lot of people out there that share this opinion?

somebody said it!

 

[Legal Step]

I read somewhere once that Brandon Sheffield liked it, but that was when it came out...

 

[SantaC]

*claps*

Now why is this obvious truth so hard for some people on this board to grasp?

Um, the PSP has been out almost as long as the DS, and it doesn't have that many more or better games.

If you look at the japanese charts, the DS games have been faring better. The US is another story though. Really poor DS support so far.

edit: 5000 posts

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Um, the PSP has been out almost as long as the DS, and it doesn't have that many more or better games.

edit: 5000 posts

How do you know? Have you played those PSP games?

 

[dark10x]

I honestly don't care about "New" or "Innovative" if there aren't any games that interest me. New and innovative just mean "gimmick" to me until proven otherwise (through software).

*goes to back to daydreaming about 4-way Wipeouture*

That's exactly how I feel. I couldn't care less about those innovative features if they don't provide the games.

because all they can see is something black and shiny that they want to fondle themselves with, not a game machine that steps up to make new kinds of gameplay which, let's not forget, is the most important thing

That's the thing, on PSP, it IS more about the game. DS is the one that is having issues with providing compelling game content. Everyone seemed perfectly OK with the GBA, despite the fact that it was all about playing older style games (which isn't a bad thing) that are anything but innovative. Innovation does not necessarily translate to fun. At this point, the PSP simply provides more fun and looks 10x better while doing it.

 

[chespace]

How do you know? Have you played those PSP games?

No, but what happens in Japan ultimately shapes his outlook on games and systems. Or something.

There aren't a whole lot of games I want to play from Japan on the DS or the PSP. But I live in America.

 

[SantaC]

How do you know? Have you played those PSP games?

Have you played the DS games? I think it's kind of unfair to say that the DS software is shit compared to PSP so far. They are pretty equal in JAPAN at this point.

The DS US support is worse as I said.

 

[SantaC]

No, but what happens in Japan ultimately shapes his outlook on games and systems. Or something.

There aren't a whole lot of games I want to play from Japan on the DS or the PSP. But I live in America.

Why are you jumping on me the whole fucking time? I talked about Japan since I said that:

The US is another story though. Really poor DS support so far.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Have you played the DS games? I think it's kind of unfair to say that the DS software is shit compared to PSP so far. They are pretty equal in JAPAN at this point.

The DS US support is worse as I said.

:lol

I never said PSP had better games than DS.

"the PSP has been out almost as long as the DS, and it doesn't have that many more or better games."


How can you make a comment like that when you never even played the system?

 

[ypo]

Answer his question. It's not that difficult.

 

[SantaC]

:lol

I never said PSP had better games than DS.

"the PSP has been out almost as long as the DS, and it doesn't have that many more or better games."


How can you make a comment like that when you never even played the system?

And how would you know? Looking at the DS and PSP software in Japan it seems that It's pretty equal except that the DS games have fared better in the charts so far.

 

[dark10x]

Which DS games are your favorite? How about PSP?

 

[Rocket Punch]

Presently the DS has a lot of unrealized potential. This is a result of the rushed launch which incidently was carefully orchestrated to beat PSP to the market. It had to be released when it did. Had it not, it would indeed be stillborn.

That being the case, I believe that anyone that fails to see the raw potential of the DS as a gaming system shows a lack of vision and imagination and/or unfounded bias on the unit to the competition.

When developers hit the stride on quality software on the DS we will see a number of exclusive titles which will be impossible to make on a competing system due to the unique technical abilities the machine has. This is a way for Nintendo to control what software is released in the unit as it nullifies the port-happy developers from doing what presently occurs on home consoles nowadays.

To proclaim the DS as shoddily designed, poorly thought out gaming system is to give in to the notion that Nintendo doesn't know the industry as well as it does, when in fact there are signs that point otherwise. It ensures Nintendo's ability to remain profitable and succesful with a product that gives them full control on what software is released in terms of features. Not only that but it also provides a gateway to expant their present market by releasing titles appealing to typical non-gaming folk. If anything the DS shows a glimpse of Nintendo's vision as a company and what we can expect from Revolution.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Gaming "journalists"...pffft...I usually end up pissing someone off from EGM or someone "famous" in video game "journalism", but it's the truth when I say it...most of them are whiney fanboys who need to calm down about their status in "the industry" they work in. You guys are one step above GameStop employee's...big deal...opinions are JUST that...opinions.

Let's just say this...nothing truly possitive will be said about NDS until it's time to jock on it's balls. When it becomes popular and if it somehow were to end up outselling PSP or something THEN you will see gaming "journalists" and "the industry" as a whole start to say crap like: "I bought a DS on day one, I'm it's #1 fan". But if PSP ends up being more popular or selling better then they will just as easily say: "I bought a PSP on day one, DS sux yo...I'm cool, look at me, I'm saying what everyone else is saying" garbage!

NO magazine, editorial, review or "journalist" should influence you decision in buying a product...EVER...think for yourself and make your own minds up, 'cos those people get paid to hype the hell outta crap like online gaming and the N-GAGE or whatever other buzzword is going arounf "the industry" at the time. Hell I remember when they were all hyping the crap outta State Of Emergency and then when it bombed they were all like: "yeah this game suxors, har har, am I right?" like as if it mattered what they said.

I like news, I like interviews, I like secrets, rumors, speculation...not personal opinions and weekly editorials and analyst's predicting the future or someone whining 'cos something isn't as cool as something else...waa!

 

[chespace]

And how would you know? Looking at the DS and PSP software in Japan it seems that It's pretty equal except that the DS games have fared better in the charts so far.

You're really grasping here. What do you care how well DS games do on JAPANESE CHARTS? You've yet to even talk about a specific game for either system.

I'm not trying to jump down your throat here, it just feels like you're using Japanese sales numbers as ammunition to say that DS games aren't somehow a letdown -- and that because they're higher on the charts than PSP games in Japan, that they're somehow equal or better than PSP games. When in truth, you probably haven't played any of these imports, DS or PSP.

 

[SantaC]

You're really grasping here. What do you care how well DS games do on JAPANESE CHARTS? You've yet to even talk about a specific game for either system.

I'm not trying to jump down your throat here, it just feels like you're using Japanese sales numbers as ammunition to say that DS games aren't somehow a letdown -- and that because they're higher on the charts than PSP games in Japan, that they're somehow equal or better than PSP games. When in truth, you probably haven't played any of these imports, DS or PSP.

Fine. I am sorry if I sounded dumb. Being euro it's not always easy for me to get my point across in a perfect way. My english grammar are lacking. I was just trying to defend the DS a bit. I think Wario Ware, Mario 64 and Feel the Magic are good DS games. The PSP is a great machine and I am looking forward to the US launch.

I haven't played any Japan imports for DS or PSP, so I admit I looked at the charts and famitsu reviews. I generlized, but I am not the only one who does that on GAF.

I don't want to feel hated or something. Sigh I apologize ok...

 

[Enigma]

I take video-fenky for what I think it is, a personal blog with personal opinions, I don´t think is in an article, just his opinion. As I respect a lot the experience and knowledge of him, that opinion is highly noticeable for me, so added to the other ones, I think it forms a trend that make me curious about it.

This is not about DS itself, neither that person´s opinions or your own opinion. I just want to analyse what drives to veterans in videogame journalist to have such a poor opinion about DS.

Well the title of the thread is HATE... which is a pretty strong word. And article, blog, it's the same thing. All I'm saying is this: He pretty much torches everything in it. Japanese RPGs (Which, ironically, is how I remember him making his name on the GAF boards. Wasn't he the one with his detailed import reviews?) They ALL suck. 40 hour games. They ALL suck. (Even if you only play great games and a great, long game will provide you with months of enjoyment. It sucks!) Online? Everyone's a shithead, so you NEVER get an enjoyable game. It sucks. GAF? Interpret as you will. He pretty much leaves zero exceptions for anything. It's pure venting and that's why I say I wouldn't exactly hold that as a model for what all journalists think of DS. He's not leaving any wiggle room on many subjects there.

 

[ourumov]

The DS is an effort to pull some great innovation in the industry. However it's doomed to fail. Only one man in Nintendo was able to do these things and well...he lies 4 feets under the ground now after some car killed him.
That *could* work if the system had at least a decent lineup but it is one of the crappiest in years.
So I understand the bad press.

 

[SomeDude]

Maybe they don't like it because the games for the system sucks? Maybe because Nintendo's flagship title for the system so far is a fucking game made in 1996 with the exception of some really shallow mini games. Anyways, I don't plan on spending alot of money on a system that has alot of shallow and simple games.


I think there were alot of game websites that thought the DS had promise. ALot of sites gave it a favorable review coming out of e3...but Nintnedo just didn't deliver on it's promises.

 

[chespace]

Fine. I am sorry if I sounded dumb. Being euro it's not always easy for me to get my point across in a perfect way. My english grammar are lacking. I was just trying to defend the DS a bit. I think Wario Ware, Mario 64 and Feel the Magic are good DS games. The PSP is a great machine and I am looking forward to the US launch.

I haven't played any Japan imports for DS or PSP, so I admit I looked at the charts and famitsu reviews. I generlized, but I am not the only one who does that on GAF.

I don't want to feel hated or something. Sigh I apologize ok...

Hey, no hard feelings.

I get a little too zealous on GAF sometimes. My bad.

Look, we all WANT the DS to kick ass, but right now, it's disappointing the shit outta me. That's it. No big deal.

 

[bitwise]

Maybe they don't like it because the games for the system sucks? Maybe because Nintendo's flagship title for the system so far is a fucking game made in 1996 with the exception of some really shallow mini games. Anyways, I don't plan on spending alot of money on a system that has alot of shallow and simple games.


I think there were alot of game websites that thought the DS had promise. ALot of sites gave it a favorable review coming out of e3...but Nintnedo just didn't deliver on it's promises.

that about sums it up for me as well.

no interest whatsoever in the DS.

 

[Pimpwerx]

The DS is an effort to pull some great innovation in the industry. However it's doomed to fail. Only one man in Nintendo was able to do these things and well...he lies 4 feets under the ground now after some car killed him.
That *could* work if the system had at least a decent lineup but it is one of the crappiest in years.
So I understand the bad press.

It's not innovative. That word has been severely cheapened over the years. The DS is a hack job, period. The device is underpowered, and the only thing it brings new to the table is two screens, one of which is touch-sensitive. If that's innovation, then I guess PDA companies worked absolute miracles like a decade ago. The DS may be fun, but it's not innovative. I mean come on...Nintendogs is being listed as a killer app. A game where you play with puppies. If that's innovation, then give me Super Grand Theft Auto Alpha: Championship Edition X-2. We clearly don't need more innovation. :? PEACE.

 

[Dsal]

I'm in the camp where there's just not enough games out, or coming out, for DS to make the platform exciting. I've had to import some stuff for it just to have new games for it, and most people in the US obviously don't bother to do that and are stuck with the same handful of games since release. There's not really a whole lot of titles coming out in the near future that look all that interesting either.

The PSP obviously is pushing handheld technology to its limits, and that in and of itself is exciting. Let's be honest, the handheld arena that Nintendo has had a virtual monopoly on for so long has suffered from stagnation for a good decade now. Handheld gaming always seemed to be a step or two behind of what it could be because Nintendo basically had no competition and no reason to keep the tech updated. Now that's changed and we will all benefit from it. Because of the PSP, hopefully, we'll finally see the really good stuff from Nintendo while it's fresh instead of them sitting on the tech for years just because they can.

Which comes back to the DS, which is undeniably old tech. Innovative and distinctive old tech, but it's still old and quite frankly looks and plays old.

Therefore, there can be only one reason why Nintendo took old tech and released it as a new product in the face of flashy competition anyways: it's a device designed more for maximum profit and benefit for Nintendo rather than a device designed for maximum value and benefit for the consumer. I think that right there might be the root of the negative DS feelings. The DS is a selfish product.

 

[SantaC]

Hey, no hard feelings.

That's good, I rather posts as friends than enemies

 

[jarrod]

Eh, the DS lineup isn't that horrible. Looking at releases through March for both by region...

Nintendo DS (NA) 11.20.2004
-Feel the Magic: XY/XX (Sega) 11.14.2004
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision) 11.16.2004
-Asphalt: Urban GT (UbiSoft) 11.17.2004
-Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts) 11.17.2004
-The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts) 11.17.2004
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo) 11.20.2004
-Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco) 11.30.2004
-Ridge Racer DS (Namco) 12.07.2004
-Ping Pals (THQ) 12.08.2004
-Sprung (UbiSoft) 12.08.2004
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts) 12.14.2004
-Zoo Keeper (Ignition Entertainment) 01.18.2005
-WarioWare Touched! (Nintendo) 02.14.2005
-Robots (VU Games) 02.23.2005
-Pokemon Dash (Nintendo) 03.14.2005
-Yoshi Touch & Go (Nintendo) 03.14.2005
-Retro Atari Classics (Atari) 03.22.2005
-Rayman DS (UbiSoft) 03.22.2005
-Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory (UbiSoft) 03.29.2005


Nintendo DS (JP) 12.02.2004
-Chokkan Hitofude (Nintendo) 12.02.2004
-Daigasso! Band Brothers (Nintendo) 12.02.2004
-Kenshuui Tendo Dokuta (Spike) 12.02.2004
-Kimi no Tame Nara Shineru (Sega) 12.02.2004
-Mahjong Taikai (Koei) 12.02.2004
-Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco) 12.02.2004
-Pokemon Dash GP (The Pokemon Company) 12.02.2004
-Sawaru Made in Wario (Nintendo) 12.02.2004
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo) 12.02.2004
-The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts) 12.02.2004
-Zoo Keeper (Success) 12.02.2004
-Zunou ni Asekaku Game Series! Vol. 1: Cool 104 Joker & Setline (Aruze) 12.02.2004
-Puyo Puyo Fever (Sega) 12.24.2004
-Tennis no Oji-Sama 2005: Crystal Drive (Konami) 12.30.2004
-Spider-Man 2 (Taito) 01.06.2005
-Catch! Touch! Yoshi! (Nintendo) 01.27.2005
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour (Electronic Arts) 02.17.2005
-Another Code: 2tsu no Kioku (Nintendo) 02.24.2005
-Meteos (Bandai) 03.10.2005
-Pac-Pix (Namco) 03.10.2005
-Bokujou Monogatari: Colobocle Station (Marvelous Interactive) 03.17.2005
-Hanjuku Eiyuu DS: Egg Monster Heroes (Square Enix) 03.24.2005
-Space Invaders DS (Taito) 03.24.2005
-Tantei Kibukawa Ryosuke Jiken Dan: Kamen Genei Satsujinjiken (Genki) 03.24.2005
-Touch! Kirby: Mahou no Efude (Nintendo) 03.24.2005
-Yakuman DS (Nintendo) 03.31.2005


PSP (JP) 12.12.2004
-AC Formula Front (From Software) 12.12.2004
-Lumines (Bandai) 12.12.2004
-Mahjong Taisen Club (Konami) 12.12.2004
-Minna no Golf Portable (SCEI) 12.12.2004
-Ridge Racers (Namco) 12.12.2004
-Vampire Chronicle: The Chaos Tower (Capcom) 12.12.2004
-Dokodemo Issho (SCEI) 12.16.2004
-Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo (Bandai) 12.16.2004
-Kollon (CyberFront) 12.16.2004
-Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan Daijiten (Namco) 12.16.2004
-Metal Gear Ac!d (Konami) 12.16.2004
-Shin Sangoku Musou (Koei) 12.16.2004
-Mahjong Taikai (Koei) 12.22.2004
-Puzzle Bobble Pocket (Taito) 12.22.2004
-Puyo Puyo Fever (Sega) 12.24.2004
-A.I. Series Go (Marvelous Interactive) 12.30.2004
-A.I. Series Mahgong (Marvelous Interactive) 12.30.2004
-Piposaru Academia: Dossari! Sarugee Daizenshuu (SCEI) 12.30.2004
-A.I. Series Shogi (Marvelous Interactive) 01.20.2005
-Rengoku: The Tower of Pergatory (Hudson) 01.27.2005
-Soukyuu no Fafner: Dead Aggressor (Bandai) 01.27.2005
-PoPoLoCrois Monogatari: Pietro Ouji no Bouken (SCEI) 02.10.2005
-Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de GO! Tokyo Kyuukou Hen (Ongakukan) 02.17.2005
-Namco Museum (Namco) 02.24.2005
-Need for Speed Underground Rivals (Electronic Arts) 02.24.2005
-Tales of Eternia (Namco) 03.10.2005
-Saru Get You P! (SCEI) 03.17.2005
-Bleach: Heat the Soul (SCEI) 03.24.2005
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour (Electronic Arts) 03.24.2005


Nintendo DS (EU) 03.11.2005
-Asphalt: Urban GT (Gameloft) 03.11.2005
-Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco) 03.11.2005
-Ping Pals (THQ) 03.11.2005
-Pokemon Dash (Nintendo) 03.11.2005
-Polarium (Nintendo) 03.11.2005
-Project Rub (Nintendo) 03.11.2005
-Rayman DS (UbiSoft) 03.11.2005
-Retro Atari Classics (Atari) 03.11.2005
-Robots (VU Games) 03.11.2005
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision) 03.11.2005
-Sprung: The Dating Game (UbiSoft) 03.11.2005
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo) 03.11.2005
-The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts) 03.11.2005
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts) 03.11.2005
-WarioWare Touched! (Nintendo) 03.11.2005
-Zoo Keeper (Ignition Entertainment) 03.11.2005


PSP (NA) 03.23.2005
-Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade (SOE) 03.14.2005
-Lumines: Puzzle Fusion (UbiSoft) 03.22.2005
-Ape Escape: On the Loose (SCEA) 03.23.2005
-Archer Maclean's Mercury (Ignition Entertainment) 03.23.2005
-ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin' Trails (SCEA) 03.23.2005
-Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower (Capcom) 03.23.2005
-Dynasty Warriors (Koei) 03.23.2005
-Gretzky NHL 2005 (SCEA) 03.23.2005
-Metal Gear Ac!d (Konami) 03.23.2005
-NBA 2005 (SCEA) 03.23.2005
-Need for Speed Underground Rivals (Electronic Arts) 03.23.2005
-NFL Street 2 Unleashed (Electronic Arts) 03.23.2005
-Rengoku: Tower of Purgatory (Konami) 03.23.2005
-Ridge Racer (Namco) 03.23.2005
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision) 03.23.2005
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts) 03.23.2005
-Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix (Activision) 03.23.2005
-Twisted Metal: Head-On (SCEA) 03.23.2005
-WipEout Pure (SCEA) 03.23.2005
-World Tour Soccer 2005 (SCEA) 03.23.2005

 

[ourumov]

It's not innovative. That word has been severely cheapened over the years. The DS is a hack job, period. The device is underpowered, and the only thing it brings new to the table is two screens, one of which is touch-sensitive. If that's innovation, then I guess PDA companies worked absolute miracles like a decade ago. The DS may be fun, but it's not innovative. I mean come on...Nintendogs is being listed as a killer app. A game where you play with puppies. If that's innovation, then give me Super Grand Theft Auto Alpha: Championship Edition X-2. We clearly don't need more innovation. :? PEACE.

I wasn't stating DS=innovation but that for Nintendo, the system is this. A hack job ? Sure. We all know how Ninty changed the specs of it after PSP was unveiled. Another screen+Touch+Wireless.
I just hope it fails very fast so we can get a decent GBA 2.

 

[Lord Error]

Only one man in Nintendo was able to do these things and well...he lies 4 feets under the ground now after some car killed him.

What? Who 's the person you are talking about?

 

[Nerevar]

What? Who 's the person you are talking about?

The guy who was so innovate he was in charge of that wonderfully succesful Nintendo product the virtual boy. You remember him, right?

 

[Particle Physicist]

Bad press for Nintendo DS?

why are you so surprised? whatever nintendo does, they will get hated on. people want to see them fail. its like they have a vendetta against the company.

 

[chespace]

Eh, the DS lineup isn't that horrible. Looking at releases through March for both by region...

Nintendo DS (NA) 11.20.2004
-Feel the Magic: XY/XX (Sega) 11.14.2004
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision) 11.16.2004
-Asphalt: Urban GT (UbiSoft) 11.17.2004
-Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts) 11.17.2004
-The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts) 11.17.2004
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo) 11.20.2004
-Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco) 11.30.2004
-Ridge Racer DS (Namco) 12.07.2004
-Ping Pals (THQ) 12.08.2004
-Sprung (UbiSoft) 12.08.2004
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts) 12.14.2004
-Zoo Keeper (Ignition Entertainment) 01.18.2005
-WarioWare Touched! (Nintendo) 02.14.2005
-Robots (VU Games) 02.23.2005
-Pokemon Dash (Nintendo) 03.14.2005
-Yoshi Touch & Go (Nintendo) 03.14.2005
-Retro Atari Classics (Atari) 03.22.2005
-Rayman DS (UbiSoft) 03.22.2005
-Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory (UbiSoft) 03.29.2005

Actually, I would argue that the U.S. DS list up there looks pretty bad.

 

[ourumov]

The guy who was so innovate he was in charge of that wonderfully succesful Nintendo product the virtual boy. You remember him, right?

The guy that created Metroid way before Retro perverted it, the guy that created the Game Boy, the guy behind the NES, the SNES. The guy that created the LOVE TESTER.

R&D 1 > EAD ! Face it !

And the virtual boy was more innovative and fun than what DS is now. Gunpei is not responsable your eyes can't tolerate enough radiation.

 

[jarrod]

Actually, I would argue that the U.S. DS list up there looks pretty bad.

Yeah, the US has it rather bad overall. Even worse, there's games like Puyo Fever, Jam with the Band, Polarium, Another Code, Meteos or Pac-Pix that could've/should've seen release by the end of March as well. :/

 

[Enigma]

And let me just say one more thing about Fox, and then I'm done with this thread (And I do like the guy): It's best that he's no longer in the business because his attitude sucks. He hates the DS and hopes Nintendo loses a ton of money because he hates it. That's a shit attitude through and through. You think there aren't a lot of film critics out there who hate genres aimed at kids, etc. Just because a company releases a product that's not aimed at you, the critic, doesn't mean you should get all pissy and wish they'd lose a bucket of money (Because not everyone is a white, elitist, adult male). The DS truly does seem like a third pillar aimed at casuals, and yes, that means they should release a GBE this year. But that statement is as asinine as a film critic saying he hates Disney and wishes their films would all fail. It serving a market, so STFU and be professional about it.

Edit: And I don't care what ethnicity Fox is, because that's not the point.

 

[MarkMacD]

I remember when like six months ago, EGM said that DS had the better software line-up than the PSP. And I agreed with them at the time. I still think that th eDS has more announced games of interest coming, but all information on them has dried up.

That was before a few surprises--Lumines and Wipeout being so good, GTA PSP, etc.

But still, I agree. If you laid out all the DS games we've heard about--advance wars, final fantasy, animal crossing, super mario, mario kart, etc.--the lineup potential has an edge over what's currently known for the PSP (not a whole lot, actually... that will change very soon tho).

But those titles are so far away, and (the bigger problem, as you say) Nintendo is -terrible- at PR, at least from a print mag perspective. PSP definitely has the momentum right now leading into its launch...hopefully Nintendo will start pushing back soon.

 

[Odnetnin]

Can someone ask Nintendo during the next IGN minute why their DS lineup is so TEH SUCK. Sensibly phrased of course but Nintendo does need to get stuff on shelves pronto. Better to have a constant stream early than a drought this soon

 

[jarrod]

But still, I agree. If you laid out all the DS games we've heard about--advance wars, final fantasy, animal crossing, super mario, mario kart, etc.--the lineup potential has an edge over what's currently known for the PSP (not a whole lot, actually... that will change very soon tho).

Want a list?

Nintendo DS
-Advance Wars 3 (Nintendo)
-Age of Empires (Majesco)
-Air Assault 2 (SummitSoft)
-Animal Crossing (Nintendo)
-Animal Planet (Conspiracy)
-Animetic RPG (Arika)
-Another Code (Nintendo)
-Armored Core series (From Software)
-Asphalt Urban GT (UbiSoft)
-Baten Kaitos DS (Namco)
-Batman Begins (Electronic Arts)
-Big Mutha Truckers DS (THQ)
-Bleach (Sega)
-Boktai (Konami)
-Bomberman DS (UbiSoft)
-Bouken-Ou Beet (Bandai)
-Bubble Bobble Revolution (Rising Star)
-Bust-A-Move series (Taito)
-Caduceus: Surgical Operation (Atlus)
-Castlevania (Konami)
-Choro Q DS (Konami)
-Cocoto Card Racer (Neko)
-Crash Clash Racing (VY Games
-Deep Labyrinth (Interactive Brains)
-Devlish (Starfish)
-Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles 2 (THQ)
-Dobutsu Shima no Chibi Gurumi 3 (Rocket Company)
-Dragon Ball Z (Atari)
-Dragon Ball Z (Banpresto)
-Dragon Booster (Konami)
-Dragon Quest Monsters series (Square Enix)
-Dragon Quest Slime Morimori series (Square Enix)
-Dress (Bandai)
-Dust & Shadows (Neko)
-Dynasty Warriors DS (Koei)
-Egg Monster Hero (Square Enix)
-Electro Plankton (Nintendo)
-Europa Universalis II (Pocket PC Studios)
-Eye Shield 21 (Nintendo)
-Far East of Eden series (Hudson)
-Feel the Magic: XY-XX (Sega)
-Final Fantasy III (Square Enix)
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles series (Square Enix)
-Ford Racing DS (2K Games)
-Frogger: Helmet Havoc (Konami)
-Ganbare Goemon (Konami)
-GoldenEye: Rogue Agent (Electronic Arts)
-GT-DS Racing (MTO)
-Guruguru Nagetto (Success)
-Guruguru Omiseyasan Gokko (Bandai)
-Gyakuten Saiban (Capcom)
-Harvest Moon: Korobokkle Station (Marvelous)
-Intelligent License (Now Production)
-Jam with the Band (Nintendo)
-JAWS (Majesco)
-Jinsei Game DS (Konami)
-Jissen Pachislot Hisshopou! Fist of the North Star DS (Sega)
-Johnny Rocketfingers (Conspiracy)
-Jump Super Stars (Nintendo)
-Kaido Racing Battle (Genki)
-Kawaii Koinu DS (MTO)
-Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta (Spike)
-Kerokero King (Bandai)
-Keroro Gunsou (Bandai)
-King Kong (UbiSoft)
-Kirby's Magic Paintbrush (Nintendo)
-Labyrinth (Aruze)
-Legend of the River King DS (Marvelous)
-Living High↑Killing Low↓ (Genki)
-Londonian Gothics: Mekyuu no Lolita (Mega Cyber)
-Lost in Blue (Konami)
-Lunar Runa (Marvelous)
-Madagascar (Activision)
-Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Magical Vacation II (Nintendo)
-Mahjong Taikai (Koei)
-Mahou Touch (Bandai)
-Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
-Meikyuu (Aruze)
-Megaman Battle Network series (Capcom)
-Meteos (Bandai/Q Entertainment)
-Metroid Pinball (Nintendo)
-Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo)
-Mikke! (Aki)
-Minna no Mahjong: Kenkou Mahjong (MTO)
-Mobile Suit Gundam Seed (Bandai)
-Momotarou World (Hudson)
-Monster Summoner (Ertain)
-Monster Rancher Jamboree (Tecmo)
-Moonlight Fables (Majesco)
-Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco)
-Mysterious Dungeon Pokemon World: Pikachu's Adventure (ChunSoft)
-Nanostray (Majesco)
-Naruto: Saikyo Ninja Daikesshu 3 (Tomy)
-Need for Speed Underground 2 (Electronic Arts)
-Nicktoons (THQ)
-Ochaken DS (MTO)
-One Piece (Bandai)
-Organizer Plus (SummitSoft)
-Pac n' Roll (Namco)
-Pac-Pix (Namco)
-Ping Pals (THQ)
-Pixar's Cars (THQ)
-Pokémon Dash! (Nintendo)
-Pokémon Diamond/Pearl (Nintendo)
-Polarium (Nintendo)
-Powerful Pro Baseball series (Konami)
-Prince of Tennis: 2005 Crystal Drive (Konami)
-Professional Wrestling (Yukes)
-Puppy Times (Nintendo)
-Puyo Pop Fever (Atlus)
-Quad Desert Fury 2 (Majesco)
-Rally DS (Spike)
-Rayman DS (UbiSoft)
-Rakugaki Kingdom series (Taito)
-Rekishi Simulation (Koei)
-Retro Atari Classics (Atari)
-Ridge Racer DS (Namco)
-Robots (VU Games)
-Scooby-Doo! Unmasked (THQ)
-SD Gundam G Generation DS (Bandai)
-Secret of Mana (Square Enix)
-Sentouin Yamada Hajime 2 (KidsSation)
-Shin Megami Tensei DS (Konami)
-Showboard Kids DS (Konami)
-Simple DS series: The Billiards (D3 Publisher)
-Simple DS series: The Mah-jong (D3 Publisher)
-Simple DS series: The Mushitori (D3 Publisher)
-Snood 2: Lost in Snoodville (DSI)
-Sonic DS (Sega)
-Space Invaders Revolution (Rising Star)
-Spectral Force (Idea Factory)
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
-SpongeBob SquarePants (THQ)
-Sprung (UbiSoft)
-Spyro the Dragon (VU Games)
-SRS: Street Racing Syndicate (Namco)
-Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (UbiSoft)
-Super Black Bass: Dynamic Shot (Starfish)
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
-Super Mario Bros DS (Nintendo)
-Super Princess Peach (Nintendo)
-Super Robot Taisen DS (Banpresto)
-Tak 3 (THQ)
-Tantei Adventure (KidsStation)
-Tetris DS (THQ)
-Texas Hold Em (Majesco)
-The Hulk 2 (VU Games)
-The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords DS (Nintendo)
-The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts)
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (UbiSoft)
-Tounou Ni Asekaku Game Series: Volume 1 Cool 104 Joker & Setline (Aruze)
-Tounou Ni Asekaku Game Series: Volume 2 (Aruze)
-Tounou Ni Asekaku Game Series: Volume 3 (Aruze)
-Toy Heads World (Interactive Brains)
-TV Character Action (Sega)
-Ubukawa Detective Case Files: The Masquerade Lullaby (Genki)
-Ultimate Brain Games (TeleGames)
-Ultimate Card Games (TeleGames)
-Urusei Yatsura (Marvelous)
-Yakuman DS (Nintendo)
-Yoshi Touch & Go (Nintendo)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare Troubador (Konami)
-Vandal Hearts (Konami)
-Viewtiful Joe DS (Capcom)
-Wario Ware TOUCHED! (Nintendo)
-WiNX (Konami)
-World Poker Championship: Deluxe Edition (Crave)
-World Soccer Winning Eleven series (Konami)
-Worms Forts: Under Seige (2K Games)
-Xenosaga DS (Namco)
-ZOIDS (Tomy)
-Zoo Keeper (Ignition)
-Zoo Tycoon (THQ)

-tba action (Alfa Unit)
-tba action (D3)
-tba action (Epoch)
-tba action (Now Production)
-tba action (Tasuke)
-tba action RPG (Aruze)
-tba action RPG (Hudson)
-tba card battle (KidsStation)
-tba board game (Jams Works)
-tba family (Orbital Media)
-tba Mistwalker simualtion RPG (Nintendo)
-tba platform (Orbital Media)
-tba project (Vivendi Universal)
-tba racing (Orbital Media)
-tba RPG (GameArts)
-tba RPG (Marvelous)
-tba RPG (Namco)
-tba RPG (Tomy)
-tba sports (Sega)
-tba simulation (Sunrise)
-tba simulation (Tasuke)
-tba strategy RPG (Orbital Media)
-tba Team Ninja project (Tecmo)



PSP
-Advent Shadow (Majesco)
-AI Series Mahjong (Marvelous)
-AI Series Igo (Marvelous)
-AI Series Shougo (Marvelous)
-Angel Collection (MTO)
-Animal Planet (Conspiracy)
-Ape Escape: One the Loose (SCEI)
-Ape Escape Academy (SCEI)
-Archer MacLean's Mercury (Ignition)
-Armored Core: Formula Front (Agetec)
-ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin' Trails (SCEI)
-Axel Impact International (SCEI)
-Batman Begins (Electronic Arts)
-Bleach: Heat the Soul (SCEI)
-Bloodrayne 2 (Majesco)
-Bomberman (Hudson)
-Bust-A-Move Pocket (Taito)
-Card Shark 3 (Phoenix Games)
-Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe (VU Games)
-Cloud of Verruca (Success)
-Coded Arms (Konami)
-Colin McRae Rally 2005 (Codemasters)
-Crazy Racing: Kart Rider (Nexon)
-Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (Square Enix)
-DarkStalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower (Capcom)
-Death Jr (Konami)
-Derby Time (SCEI)
-Detective Shinto Shrine (WorkJam)
-Devil May Cry series (Capcom)
-Digital Pet (Sega)
-Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles 2 (THQ)
-Dokodemo Issyo (SCEI)
-Dokodemo Kaishou Pachislot Sengen (Tecmo)
-Dora-Slot 2: Suyaku wa Zenigata (Dorat)
-Dragon Ball Z (Bandai)
-Dynasty Warriors (Koei)
-Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Akai Shizuku (Bandai)
-Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo (Bandai)
-Evil Village (Now Production)
-EX Jinsei Game (Konami)
-Far East of Eden series (Hudson)
-FIFA 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Fighting Spirits (SCEI)
-Fired Up (SCEI)
-Formula One 04 (SCEI)
-Free Runing (Eidos)
-Frogger: Helmet Havoc (Konami)
-Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (SCEI)
-GloRacer (SCEI)
-Grand Theft Auto: Sin City (Rockstar)
-Gran Turismo 4: Mobile (SCEI)
-Gretzky NHL (SCEI)
-Harukanaru Toki no Naka De: Iroe Tebako (Koei)
-Harvest Moon series (Marvelous)
-Higanjima (Now Production)
-Hoshigari Empusa (Takyuo)
-Hot Shots Golf Portable(SCEI)
-Infected (Majesco)
-Intelligent License (Now Production)
-Jan-Mate (Success)
-Jissen Pachislot Hisshopou! Fist of the North Star (Sega)
-Karakuri (Tecmo)
-Karaoke (SCEI)
-Kidou Keisatsu Patlabor (Bandai)
-King's Field series (From Software)
-Kino no Tabi: The Beautiful World (MediaWorks)
-KOF Milennium Impact (SNK Playmore)
-Kollon (CyberFront)
-Kotoba no Puzzle: Mojipittan Daijiten (Namco)
-Legend of the River King series (Marvelous)
-Lumines (UbiSoft)
-Mahjong Kakutou (Konami)
-Mahjong Taikai (Koei)
-Makai Wars (NIS)
-MediEvil (SCEI)
-Metal Gear AC!D (Konami)
-Metal Shell (tba)
-Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition (Rockstar)
-MLB (SCEI)
-Mobile Suit Gundam (Bandai)
-Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de Go! Tokyo Kyuukou Hen (Ongakukan)
-Mushi (Global A)
-MX Unleashed (THQ)
-MVP Baseball (Electronic Arts)
-Namco Museum (Namco)
-Naruto (Bandai)
-NBA (SCEI)
-NBA Street Showdown (Electronic Arts)
-Need for Speed Underground Rivals (Electronic Arts)
-NFL Street 2 Unleashed (Electronic Arts)
-Novel (SCEI)
-One Piece (Bandai)
-Persona (Konami)
-Pilot Academy (Marvelous)
-Plus Plum 2 Again (Takyuo)
-PoPoLoCrois Story: Prince Pietro's Adventure (SCEI)
-Powerful Pro Baseball series (Konami)
-Princess Crown (Konami)
-Professional Wrestling (Yukes)
-Project S (Sega)
-Pro Race Driver 2 (Codemasters)
-Pursuit Force (SCEI)
-Puyo Pop Fever (Sega)
-Red Line (SCEI)
-Rengoku: Tower of Purgatory (Konami)
-Ridge Racer (Namco)
-RNR: We Run Through The Beats (Seed9)
-Romance of the Three Kingdoms V (Koei)
-RS Revolution (Spike)
-Sengoku Cannon (XNauts)
-Shingata (Sunrise)
-Shin Tenmakai: Generation of Chaos IV Another Side (Idea Factory)
-Smartbomb (Eidos)
-Soukyuu no Fafner: Dead Aggressor (Bandai)
-Space Invaders Pocket (Taito)
-Sparrow Merit (Success)
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
-SpongeBob SquarePants (THQ)
-Stacked (Myelin Media)
-Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (UbiSoft)
-Sticky Balls (tba)
-Super Robot Taisen Portable (Banpresto)
-Super Star Studio (Coong)
-Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow (SCEI)
-Taiko: Drum Master (Namco)
-Tales of Eternia (Namco)
-Talkman (SCEI)
-Technic Cute (Arika)
-Tecmo My Generation (Tecmo)
-Tenchi no Mon (SCEI)
-Tenchu (From Software)
-The Fantastic Four (Activision)
-The Godfather (Electronic Arts)
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-TGM-K (Arika)
-Toon Army (tba)
-Toudai Shougi Portable (Manichi)
-Touge Max (Konami)
-Tokyo Xtreme Racer: Zone of Control (Genki)
-Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix (Activision)
-Twisted Metal: Head On (SCEI)
-Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade (SOE)
-Viewtiful Joe series (Capcom)
-Vegas Casino 2 (Phoenix Games)
-Virtua Tennis (Sega)
-Visual Novel series (Aqua Plus)
-Volcanus Online (tba)
-WipEout Pure (SCEI)
-World Championship Snooker 2005 (Sega)
-World Soccer Winning Eleven (Konami)
-World Tour Soccer (SCEI)
-WRC (SCEI)
-Yamasi Digi Portable (Yamasa)
-Ys: The Ark of Napishtam (Konami)
-Zoo Keeper (Ignition)

-tba action (Tomy)
-tba action/adventure (Atari)
-tba adventure (From Software)
-tba adventure (Sega)
-tba communication/simulation (Sega)
-tba driving (Atari)
-tba education (Imagineer)
-tba Level 5 RPG (SCEI)
-tba MMORPG (SCEI)
-tba online game (SCEI)
-tba puzzle (D3)
-tba puzzle (MTO)
-tba racing (Atari)
-tba simulation RPG (Konami)

currently 191 specific announced DS games to 159 specific announced PSP games.

 

[The End]

I expect a pile of psp games to be announced at E3. A pile.

 

[StRaNgE]

the people i know with a DS seem to love it and are all over 21 years of age.

hell i tend to steal it from them when i can.

seems to be a better gaming on the go solution for everyday life.

i would assume the psp would be good for longer road trips seeing the type of games being released for it are more story based longer console type games and the DS has pick up and play on lucnh break type games.

 

[Any1]

Yall DS haters need to wake up and smell the press releases. Your no longer are happy playing traditional games. Whether you realize it or not, your simply not having fun playing a PSP.

Let's break it down like this. What did Nintendo make us all realize? They knew that just the old way - ie just adding more power and then designing games that use that new power to expand on the gameplay, (like physics, AI, huge realistic interactive worlds, etc...), no longer cut it anymore.

Sure Nintendo could have added more power to their system ot added trivial things like analog control. But you don't want those things! No, in order for gaming to be fun nowadays, you have to completely change the way in which you play them. That's why Nintendo had the forsight to give you the option to play your games with a pen instead of analog control. And anyone who can't look at a pen and see how much more it brings to gaming over an "old" "stupid" thing like analog control, is just plain retarded. I mean come on, it's a friggin pen! It just screams GAMING!

Dude and then you have the extra screen. Sure Ninty could have used the money that they are spending on it, on inconsequential things like awesome graphics and a single huge beautiful screen. But like Nintendo has told us repeatedly, we don't want that. No, in order for us to have fun with games anymore, we have to completely change the way in which we play them. That's why even if Nintendo would have made the DS so that you controlled it with a cordless suppository that you shoved up your butt, which used a pressure sensitive pad to measure how hard you clinched your ass cheaks to control the game, it would have been far superior to analog control. I mean come on, it's a completely new way of playing games. And the simple fact that is new and different automatically makes it better than the old way. Come on man, anyone who can't realize the possibilities of such a device is either clinically retarded or just a PSP fanboy.

Like i said above, as soon as you all realize that you no longer enjoy gaming the way it is now, the sooner it will be that we can all enjoy new innovations like the "suppository control" So just quit thinking for yourselves and let Nintendo do it for you! Cause come on, imagine the possibilities.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Yall DS haters need to wake up and smell the press releases. Your no longer are happy playing traditional games. Whether you realize it or not, your simply not having fun playing a PSP.

Let's break it down like this. What did Nintendo make us all realize? They knew that just the old way - ie just adding more power and then designing games that use that new power to expand on the gameplay, (like physics, AI, huge realistic interactive worlds, etc...), no longer cut it anymore.

Sure Nintendo could have added more power to their system ot added trivial things like analog control. But you don't want those things! No, in order for gaming to be fun nowadays, you have to completely change the way in which you play them. That's why Nintendo had the forsight to give you the option to play your games with a pen instead of analog control. And anyone who can't look at a pen and see how much more it brings to gaming over an "old" "stupid" thing like analog control, is just plain retarded. I mean come on, it's a friggin pen! It just screams GAMING!

Dude and then you have the extra screen. Sure Ninty could have used the money that they are spending on it, on inconsequential things like awesome graphics and a single huge beautiful screen. But like Nintendo has told us repeatedly, we don't want that. No, in order for us to have fun with games anymore, we have to completely change the way in which we play them. That's why even if Nintendo would have made the DS so that you controlled it with a cordless suppository that you shoved up your butt, which used a pressure sensitive pad to measure how hard you clinched your ass cheaks to control the game, it would have been far superior to analog control. I mean come on, it's a completely new way of playing games. And the simple fact that is new and different automatically makes it better than the old way. Come on man, anyone who can't realize the possibilities of such a device is either clinically retarded or just a PSP fanboy.

Like i said above, as soon as you all realize that you no longer enjoy gaming the way it is now, the sooner it will be that we can all enjoy new innovations like the "suppository control" So just quit thinking for yourselves and let Nintendo do it for you! Cause come on, imagine the possibilities.

You're a degenerate who doesn't read his PR properly.

Nintendo says updating power alone is not enough. You have to update other things along with power to keep introducing new things. The believe you can have incredibly deep gameplay without convoluted interfaces. And they're right. It's a market the mobile phone companies in Japan were threatening to corner, that Nokia was fast closing in on.... more people probably play a limited number of simplistic web games, java applets on phones and minigames on Interactive TV than the lot of us who enjoy PlayStation era gaming altogether. There is still a market to go out and get in spite of gaming being incredibly popular.

Unfortunately for Nintendo, the aesthetics of the DS, and the graphics power when compared with PSP open them up to this kind of bullshit.

Fact is, from looking at the release lists alone, and then thinking about what each system will do for each game respecitvely: it's plain obvious that they're both great systems that are both gonna have great games. You don't have to want a DS, but if you're too fucking dense to see that other people will I feel truly sorry for you.

Wearing blinders isn't exclusive to Nintendo fans, Mr Sarcasm.

 

[Insertia]

Yall DS haters need to wake up and smell the press releases. Your no longer are happy playing traditional games. Whether you realize it or not, your simply not having fun playing a PSP.

Let's break it down like this. What did Nintendo make us all realize? They knew that just the old way - ie just adding more power and then designing games that use that new power to expand on the gameplay, (like physics, AI, huge realistic interactive worlds, etc...), no longer cut it anymore.

Sure Nintendo could have added more power to their system ot added trivial things like analog control. But you don't want those things! No, in order for gaming to be fun nowadays, you have to completely change the way in which you play them. That's why Nintendo had the forsight to give you the option to play your games with a pen instead of analog control. And anyone who can't look at a pen and see how much more it brings to gaming over an "old" "stupid" thing like analog control, is just plain retarded. I mean come on, it's a friggin pen! It just screams GAMING!

Dude and then you have the extra screen. Sure Ninty could have used the money that they are spending on it, on inconsequential things like awesome graphics and a single huge beautiful screen. But like Nintendo has told us repeatedly, we don't want that. No, in order for us to have fun with games anymore, we have to completely change the way in which we play them. That's why even if Nintendo would have made the DS so that you controlled it with a cordless suppository that you shoved up your butt, which used a pressure sensitive pad to measure how hard you clinched your ass cheaks to control the game, it would have been far superior to analog control. I mean come on, it's a completely new way of playing games. And the simple fact that is new and different automatically makes it better than the old way. Come on man, anyone who can't realize the possibilities of such a device is either clinically retarded or just a PSP fanboy.

Like i said above, as soon as you all realize that you no longer enjoy gaming the way it is now, the sooner it will be that we can all enjoy new innovations like the "suppository control" So just quit thinking for yourselves and let Nintendo do it for you! Cause come on, imagine the possibilities.

:lol :lol

 

[Rocket Punch]

People keep saying that Nintendo is taking the cheap and easy way out by putting out unconventional features in their systems and that they must be insane.

Ask yourselves this: what is the easier, safest way to go: release a product with similar features as your competition which main draw is increased power or release a product with onorthodox, untested features that may or may not take off. Which one do you choose? Why would you go out of your way to put your company at harms risk by releasing something that may or may not work if not because you have a vision for your company and the industy? Are they that stupid? Do you really believe that?

 

[Sanjuro]

I'm enjoying my Nintendo DS much more than the PSP so far.

But I believe PSP will have one up in a category Nintendo has never done well with the handhelds.....sports games.

 

[Fatghost]

From what I've seen of both the DS and PSP so far, I expect the PSP to steamroll over the DS. I really do.


Now, Nintendo might have something coming in the pipeline to change that, but right now, I don't see the DS being a viable product long term.

 

[radioheadrule83]

The DS was a reaction to PSP. It quite simply was given the timing...

But I don't think that it's features were rushed at all. With a perfectly functional, very responsive touch screen, fitting a very GBA-like form factor -- and things like Pictochat, and a download service that echoes iQue (which may have been a test for this very thing).... its featureset just doesn't seem rushed at all. Everything it does exclusively, it does well. I'd wager they were working on the touch technology and experimenting with WiFi well before PSP came along.

And I think the features they've added can live up to and deliver on their philosophy which is so often viewed as strange here.

They can update the graphical prowess of their portable machines, which they have, and which they will again with the next Gameboy... but they've also thrown in various wildcards that do change games. Don't think they do? Let me put it this way:

Are the existing genres (shooters, puzzle, FPS, RTS, point and click, adventure, etc) the same on DS as they are on other consoles? No. Some of them play better, some of them worse. DS has proved there are ways to make some genres play better. If this hadn't come out, 10 years down the line we would have basically had a dual shock with a screen. Whether that be from Sony, Nintendo or both. At least on this console, you can clearly see how it makes some genres better. How it makes control more simple and intuitive and therein has a chance to appeal to more/different people. Touch screen may have been on other devices before, but the world's gaming industry has never offered to back them like its backing DS.

And then there's the sheer novelty of something you haven't seen or experienced before. Novelty sucks people in, whether you like it or not. So I think a lot of Nintendo's efforts go into creating a novel idea in everything they do. They add in the charm and polish of their IP, and hope that third parties will see their success (assuming they get it) and follow them.

Processing power does have a lot to offer us yet I agree. Better clock speeds, better GPUs, more memory -- these can all result in more immersive 3d worlds, more sophisticated engines and so forth. But 3d worlds and physics isn't all there is to gaming. It's about interaction. Thats why we say we "play" with these things after all.

 

[Kobun Heat]

I certainly think the timing of the DS was a result of the PSP announcement. However stupid the US lineup may be at this point (and it's stupid; remember the very thread I started on this subject), launching at Thanksgiving with minimal software support was infinitely preferable to launching this month with more and better titles.

I don't take issue right now with the games on the horizon (they've lined up stellar software support) nor with this month's Japan releases (pretty much a slam dunk, as I said in that other thread). Right now the US release lineup is disappointing. We need meat, and until then I don't think you could expect any reasonable person to be especially hot on the DS.

 

[Fatghost]

And lists of announced but distant games are pretty worthless.

I remember how awesome the 32X's list of upcoming games was, but the 32X was a stop gap and died too soon for any of those games to materialize.

The same thing could happen here, if PSP bombs, potentially a lot of the PSP stuff in development would be ported to consoles or even the DS. And if the PSP demolishes the DS, a lot of the DS stuff could end up moved to PSP or even GBA, or shelved entirely.