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Bad press for Nintendo DS?
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huzkee said:
nintendo is the only hardware (console) maker willing to take risks with new or strange ideas.. and for that, i love them. of the big three, they are the only ones trying to move things in different directions, instead of keeping things on the normal slope. videogame hardware would/will become very boring without them.
Kobun Heat
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fatghost28 said:
1) No. Although one or two titles on the list may end up being cancelled (which is a fact of life; some PSP titles will be announced and canned as well), the vast majority of them are absolutely going to be released. Because...
2) Also no. The 32X was a total and complete bomb, not to mention the fact that developers were just sort of making things up as they went along when they announced all those titles.
3) A "no" hat trick. DS games by and large won't be ported anywhere else because they're programmed to use two screens and touch sensitivity.
Kobun Heat
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Game Boy Color was a stopgap. I think there were a few rumblings of discontent, but it sho' didn't stop people from buying a GBA.chespace said:
Two years between hardware releases, while seeming short, is actually long enough from a will-the-consumer-care standpoint. If a new portable hits in Christmas 2006 from Nintendo it'll be accepted.
Kobun Heat
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Two and a half. GBC was November 1998, GBA was June 2001.SantaCruZer said:
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
What about SCEE's Eyetoy or Singstar? Or their experiments with infrared motion tracking for PS3? That doesn't count?
Outdoor Miner
Member
Enough with the "Nintendo innovates" stuff. My god, we'd still be playing on fucking carts if Nintendo was the sole console maker out there. What have they done that's so different? 4-controller ports is certainly nice, as was Virtual Boy, oh wait. It's only happened recently since it doesn't appear they can compete with a Sony or MS in terms of pure horespower that they go with the alternative-style to playing, a revolution.
What is it with this need for innovation? Do people not understand that the concept of a fat ass popping a game into a console, sitting on his couch and proceeding to play through a TV hasn't really changed that much? It's not going to either.
Bored with gaming, feel there's not enough innovation? It's time to find a new hobby, because there's a whole generation of lil' buggers that 3d is still fresh for, and will still be living it up once things get "stale" for us.
What is it with this need for innovation? Do people not understand that the concept of a fat ass popping a game into a console, sitting on his couch and proceeding to play through a TV hasn't really changed that much? It's not going to either.
Bored with gaming, feel there's not enough innovation? It's time to find a new hobby, because there's a whole generation of lil' buggers that 3d is still fresh for, and will still be living it up once things get "stale" for us.
krypt0nian
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As some here can attest to, I've gone from a staunch supporter of the DS against the growing tide of bashers, to someone who feels disconnected from the Nintendo Difference.
In terms of wasted potential so far, the DS makes me ill. I wanted to be able to try new things and play new ways out of the box. Instead I got a mostly ill-thought out launch period list of games, that after purchasing accomplished very little new, or even fun for that matter.
So my eyes shifted to the PSP. Which in terms of innovation seems to aim much lower but IMO aims far higher in terms of actually releasing worthwhile games.
No I haven't played many of the PSP titles but as I've played 80% of all DS games, including the bigger imports, the PSP has a sure shot to eclipse my DS play experience in short order.
I guess after enduring the rise and fall of the Gamecube, I don't have much Nintendo leeway to give. They are back to NEUTRAL in my eyes, and have to prove every desicion isn't the wrong one.
Sad in some respects as in the past they got the benefit of the doubt to say the least.
In the end, the fact that they have lost the support of someone like me, I can imagine Joe Gamer has to be hit pretty hard in NA lately. I'm wondering what the media blitz and mindshare engineering that SONY excels at will do to them after getting a sour mouthful of the DS.
In terms of wasted potential so far, the DS makes me ill. I wanted to be able to try new things and play new ways out of the box. Instead I got a mostly ill-thought out launch period list of games, that after purchasing accomplished very little new, or even fun for that matter.
So my eyes shifted to the PSP. Which in terms of innovation seems to aim much lower but IMO aims far higher in terms of actually releasing worthwhile games.
No I haven't played many of the PSP titles but as I've played 80% of all DS games, including the bigger imports, the PSP has a sure shot to eclipse my DS play experience in short order.
I guess after enduring the rise and fall of the Gamecube, I don't have much Nintendo leeway to give. They are back to NEUTRAL in my eyes, and have to prove every desicion isn't the wrong one.
Sad in some respects as in the past they got the benefit of the doubt to say the least.
In the end, the fact that they have lost the support of someone like me, I can imagine Joe Gamer has to be hit pretty hard in NA lately. I'm wondering what the media blitz and mindshare engineering that SONY excels at will do to them after getting a sour mouthful of the DS.
I dunno, they give a good idea of what to expect for the platform. They're a great indicator of publisher confidence. I wonder if PS2 would've sold quite as well without the distant promises of stuff like Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X, Gran Turismo 3, Star Ocean 3, Resident Evil 4 and others?Fatghost28 said:
What's truly worthless is any comparison between 32X and DS given the overwhelming industry and consumer support for the latter. Not to mention timing being totally off, 32X and Saturn released the same month in Japan and Saturn was actually announced first.
2.5 years. It was actually going to be just a year or so but GBC was selling so well Nintendo decided to hold off GBA launch. I expect DS is in the same position, how soon we get the next GB depends on how well it sells.SantaCruZer said:
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Sal Paradise Jr said:
i like games. i like having my traditional console. and i will welcome a non-traditional console with open arms. i think nintendo is trying to find an alternative way to play games.. but not necessarily replace the traditional way.
chespace said:
I agree with this. I am enjoying my DS durrently and I hope that Nintendo continues to support it. That said, I also have prepaid for a psp with lumines; if Nintendo releases a new handheld I will likely just stick with my psp. I would imagine that if other consumers see Nintendo releasing a new system so soon after DS they would be more likely to just choose Sony's product instead.
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Enigma said:
???? He wrote a personal blog post saying it was safe for him to say the DS is a piece of shit because he's not a professional journalist. Where does professionalism come in? Game journalists are the ones who have to pretend it's interesting and by and large do. That's the nature of the industry. Seemingly, he'd just like to see them punished in the marketplace for pushing such a lackluster product. Why couldn't one make that argument about anything you dislike? Disney is a bland bohemoth, I'd like to see their films fail. That's opining. And since when do critics have to conform to popular taste or fanboys desire? You'd prefer the critic to simply give a seal to conformity?
And wtf does the whole white, elitist male thing mean? Does the DS represent the oppressed and minority? That's fucking stupid. I see no reason why it's assumed that the casual gamer, the minority gamer, the non-white gamer should have to play boring games. Everything produced "serves a market" or it dissapears. That doesn't have a whit to say about it's aesthetic value or the critics function. Disagree with his opinion by all means but I think you lack understanding of any sort of critical value. He's not fucking Reggie, paid to endorse the damn thing.
Well...Fatghost28 said:
Nintendo DS
-Advance Wars 3 (Nintendo)
-Animal Crossing (Nintendo)
-Another Code (Nintendo)
-Asphalt Urban GT (UbiSoft)
-Bomberman DS (UbiSoft)
-Bouken-Ou Beet (Bandai)
-Caduceus: Surgical Operation (Atlus)
-Castlevania (Konami)
-Cocoto Card Racer (Neko)
-Devlish (Starfish)
-Dragon Booster (Konami)
-Egg Monster Hero (Square Enix)
-Electro Plankton (Nintendo)
-Europa Universalis II (Pocket PC Studios)
-Feel the Magic: XY-XX (Sega)
-Frogger: Helmet Havoc (Konami)
-Ganbare Goemon (Konami)
-Guruguru Nagetto (Success)
-Gyakuten Saiban (Capcom)
-Harvest Moon: Korobokkle Station (Marvelous)
-Jam with the Band (Nintendo)
-Jissen Pachislot Hisshopou! Fist of the North Star DS (Sega)
-Jump Super Stars (Nintendo)
-Kaido Racing Battle (Genki)
-Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta (Spike)
-Kirby's Magic Paintbrush (Nintendo)
-Londonian Gothics: Mekyuu no Lolita (Mega Cyber)
-Lost in Blue (Konami)
-Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Mahjong Taikai (Koei)
-Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
-Meteos (Bandai)
-Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo)
-Minna no Mahjong: Kenkou Mahjong (MTO)
-Mobile Suit Gundam Seed (Bandai)
-Monster Rancher Jamboree (Tecmo)
-Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco)
-Nanostray (Majesco)
-Naruto: Saikyo Ninja Daikesshu 3 (Tomy)
-Need for Speed Underground 2 (Electronic Arts)
-Pac n' Roll (Namco)
-Pac-Pix (Namco)
-Ping Pals (THQ)
-Pokémon Dash! (Nintendo)
-Polarium (Nintendo)
-Prince of Tennis: 2005 Crystal Drive (Konami)
-Puppy Times (Nintendo)
-Puyo Pop Fever (Atlus)
-Rayman DS (UbiSoft)
-Retro Atari Classics (Atari)
-Ridge Racer DS (Namco)
-Robots (VU Games)
-SD Gundam G Generation DS (Bandai)
-Sonic DS (Sega)
-Space Invaders Revolution (Rising Star)
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
-Sprung (UbiSoft)
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
-Super Mario Bros DS (Nintendo)
-Super Princess Peach (Nintendo)
-The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts)
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Tounou Ni Asekaku Game Series: Volume 1 Cool 104 Joker & Setline (Aruze)
-Ubukawa Detective Case Files: The Masquerade Lullaby (Genki)
-Yakuman DS (Nintendo)
-Yoshi Touch & Go (Nintendo)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare Troubador (Konami)
-Wario Ware TOUCHED! (Nintendo)
-Zoo Keeper (Ignition)
PSP
-Advent Shadow (Majesco)
-AI Series Mahjong (Marvelous)
-AI Series Igo (Marvelous)
-AI Series Shougo (Marvelous)
-Ape Escape: One the Loose (SCEI)
-Ape Escape Academy (SCEI)
-Archer MacLean's Mercury (Ignition)
-Armored Core: Formula Front (Agetec)
-ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin' Trails (SCEI)
-Axel Impact International (SCEI)
-Bleach: Heat the Soul (SCEI)
-Bust-A-Move Pocket (Taito)
-Coded Arms (Konami)
-Colin McRae Rally 2005 (Codemasters)
-Crazy Racing: Kart Rider (Nexon)
-DarkStalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower (Capcom)
-Death Jr (Konami)
-Dokodemo Issyo (SCEI)
-Dynasty Warriors (Koei)
-Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo (Bandai)
-FIFA 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Fighting Spirits (SCEI)
-Fired Up (SCEI)
-Formula One 04 (SCEI)
-Frogger: Helmet Havoc (Konami)
-GloRacer (SCEI)
-Gretzky NHL (SCEI)
-Hot Shots Golf Portable(SCEI)
-Infected (Majesco)
-Intelligent License (Now Production)
-Jissen Pachislot Hisshopou! Fist of the North Star (Sega)
-Kollon (CyberFront)
-Kotoba no Puzzle: Mojipittan Daijiten (Namco)
-Lumines (UbiSoft)
-Mahjong Kakutou (Konami)
-MediEvil (SCEI)
-Metal Gear AC!D (Konami)
-Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition (Rockstar)
-MLB (SCEI)
-Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de Go! Tokyo Kyuukou Hen (Ongakukan)
-MVP Baseball (Electronic Arts)
-Namco Museum (Namco)
-NBA (SCEI)
-NBA Street Showdown (Electronic Arts)
-Need for Speed Underground Rivals (Electronic Arts)
-NFL Street 2 Unleashed (Electronic Arts)
-PoPoLoCrois Story: Prince Pietro's Adventure (SCEI)
-Pro Race Driver 2 (Codemasters)
-Pursuit Force (SCEI)
-Puyo Pop Fever (Sega)
-Rengoku: Tower of Purgatory (Konami)
-Ridge Racer (Namco)
-Shin Tenmakai: Generation of Chaos IV Another Side (Idea Factory)
-Smartbomb (Eidos)
-Soukyuu no Fafner: Dead Aggressor (Bandai)
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
-Sticky Balls (tba)
-Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow (SCEI)
-Tales of Eternia (Namco)
-Talkman (SCEI)
-Tenchi no Mon (SCEI)
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Tokyo Xtreme Racer: Zone of Control (Genki)
-Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix (Activision)
-Twisted Metal: Head On (SCEI)
-Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade (SOE)
-Volcanus Online (tba)
-WipEout Pure (SCEI)
-World Tour Soccer (SCEI)
-WRC (SCEI)
-Ys: The Ark of Napishtam (Konami)
For shown games 69 for DS, 71 for PSP.
*gaming journalism* is way overrated imho.
it's easily bought and sold.
magazines needs ads to survive....reviews come into play...we know what happens.
i mostly read them when i'm on the crapper.
rent before you buy, don't ever base a purchase on a magazine review.
i love my ds. played mario 64 ds all night long at work. :lol
it's easily bought and sold.
magazines needs ads to survive....reviews come into play...we know what happens.
i mostly read them when i'm on the crapper.
rent before you buy, don't ever base a purchase on a magazine review.
i love my ds. played mario 64 ds all night long at work. :lol
Sal Paradise Jr said:
i understand your point, but im happy for one of the three big companies to go ahead and try something like the DS. before the DS i didnt like many things nintendo, i own all three consoles and while i love the big exclusives ie metroid zelda ect i dont buy any multiplatform games ie nfs ect, for the gamecube. in saying that when nintendo released the ds i picked one up import, and since have loved it, and im glad one of the companies is trying different things, and since has mad me like nintendo more, other than hate on it. oh well thats just my opinion, if microsoft DS had have come out, the "positiveness" from me wouldve gone to them
Kobun Heat
Member
Thank you very much for being a tool.
*resumes eating cup-a-soup*
*resumes eating cup-a-soup*
Cold-Steel
Member
How come they still haven't announced Tony Hawk DS yet?
I mean...they had the series ready for the GBA and GCN launches due to close partnerships with Nintendo - and not the DS?
Something just doesn't seem right here.
I mean...they had the series ready for the GBA and GCN launches due to close partnerships with Nintendo - and not the DS?
Something just doesn't seem right here.
WrathOfOtaibah
Banned
I got the DS the first day out of impulse and have been disappointed by it. Wario Ware Touched just isn't my kind of game and I beat Mario 64 DS (great game, the added content was very nice). I have to wait until the 14th now to get Yoshi. Then after that, wait some more time for Bomberman (which looks killer, I'm glad they got rid of the 3D, it was terrible looking), and if its better than those crappy videos, Rayman DS. It seemed like the best time to get a DS would be this fall when bigger games like Mario Kart, Advance Wars, Viewtiful Joe, and Dynasty Warriors would come out.
I'm still going to stand by the DS though. I think the same people who hate the DS are going to eat their words next year when things really get going...hopefully. If not, who cares. Its not like I don't have console games to play in the meantime.
Edit: I don't think the DS is a stop gap. Its just a PSP preventative. You know, Nintendo wants to make sure Sony doesn't get one ahead of them so Nintendo can bide their time for the DS. However I think they'll support it probably for at least three years. I really doubt that Nintendo will release the new GBA in 2005. Maybe get new word of GBA2 specs or maybe a few screens. 2006 or 2007 is likely. That could be another reason why not too many developers are pledging more support for the DS. The list of upcoming DS games are pretty good though. I'll get my money's worth out of the thing.
I'm still going to stand by the DS though. I think the same people who hate the DS are going to eat their words next year when things really get going...hopefully. If not, who cares. Its not like I don't have console games to play in the meantime.
Edit: I don't think the DS is a stop gap. Its just a PSP preventative. You know, Nintendo wants to make sure Sony doesn't get one ahead of them so Nintendo can bide their time for the DS. However I think they'll support it probably for at least three years. I really doubt that Nintendo will release the new GBA in 2005. Maybe get new word of GBA2 specs or maybe a few screens. 2006 or 2007 is likely. That could be another reason why not too many developers are pledging more support for the DS. The list of upcoming DS games are pretty good though. I'll get my money's worth out of the thing.
Cold-Steel
Member
The DS *is* a stop-gap. Why do people think it was labelled as a 3rd pillar to begin with and not a part of the Game Boy line?
The DS is selling not because of games. It is because of what makes the features of the system different. Mario 64 wireless is enough replay value to sucker in people for the next 6 months. Pictochat could be the closest thing to a gamer-based MSN system.
The point is that obviously the DS does not need GAMES to sell. Think PS2-Japan.
The handheld wars will be fought based on features first, games second.
The DS is selling not because of games. It is because of what makes the features of the system different. Mario 64 wireless is enough replay value to sucker in people for the next 6 months. Pictochat could be the closest thing to a gamer-based MSN system.
The point is that obviously the DS does not need GAMES to sell. Think PS2-Japan.
The handheld wars will be fought based on features first, games second.
WrathOfOtaibah
Banned
Thats what I was wondering.
I stopped hearing about THPS all the time by the time they got to the 4th installment.
I stopped hearing about THPS all the time by the time they got to the 4th installment.