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Batman v Superman [Official Trailer Release]

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That would be exceptionally lame. Is that suit made of Kryptonite? lol

It would be exceptionally awesome.

If Superman wins, everyone just shrugs and goes "well no shit." It's unremarkable.

If Batman wins, a human with no superpowers beating a demigod, that's impressive.

Neither will 'win' though because to do so would make one look weaker than the other and a tie leaves the door open for a rematch down the line and a decisive victory.
 
Im a little afraid that this is going to be ridiculously predictable. EisenLuthor convinces everyone including Bruce that Superman is untrustworthy. They fight, Bruce does better than he should but of course loses, but then they become bffs and Justice is dawned. +Wonder Woman.

i guess I still feel a bit burned from the Man Of Steel trailer. Great trailer, mediocre film.

Dunno, I think they'll both be convinced the other is a bad influence. What looked like the Batwing shooting and killing criminals in the trailer could be used to turn Superman against Batman.

I sincerely doubt this version of Batman kills otherwise I'm unsure why Joker is in Arkham and not in the grave.
 
I don't get why people say it's grimdark well maybe it is, but that looks very colorful to me. The S shield colors are noticeable even during nighttime, they were barely noticeable during daytime on MoS!

It's because internet nerd hero Devin Faraci said it about Man of Steel now everyone parrots it.
 
Superman already holding back, this is how he does his landings in MoS:

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Man, One thing they definitely fucking nailed is the suit. Shit tells a story itself.

Compared to Nolan's Batman suit, where's it's focused on being a more light and agility based suit. This one looks straight up built to take hits.

Like this batman no longer moves as a ghost in the city and more simply a tank, patrolling Gotham.
 
Yeah...He gets a lot of hate for directing awesome movies.

No, he directs movie that *should* be awesome, but he has a spectacular talent for making the most explosive idea seem boring and bland. He has great skill for art style, but he should stay in the art department; let people that actually know how to tell a story without fatiguing the audience with underserved action direct.
 
No, he directs movie that *should* be awesome, but he has a spectacular talent for making the most explosive idea seem boring and bland. He has great skill for art style, but he should stay in the art department; let people that actually know how to tell a story without fatiguing the audience with underserved action direct.
And yet I thought Watchmen, 300 and Man of Steel were all awesome.
 
Yeah, I get that you don't like the modern Batman. And Waid's run is fine. But it doesn't make much sense to bemoan the 'stale' Batman in the same paragraph where you mention two other works with more interpretations of Batman. I'm sorry you came across some fans that didn't like it, but both of those examples are pretty well regarded. B&B particularly is a lot of fun.

Just, again, what is the point of coming into a work clearly taking a lot of inspiration from DKR and apparently not expecting it to be a variation of the Batman from DKR?

Honest question, did you go into the Daredevil thread and rant for them to have done a different take on DD? Because the same thing is happening there. Although it may actually be worse for you because the other interpretation of Murdock is actually a current running series and it was ignored.

Lots of people really like gritty Batman. I'm sorry Spike, they just do.
Right, got it.

Batman's original appearance had him as a Dracula-like ghoul who hunted criminals at night. He used to shoot criminals and throw them off rooftops. Campman has always been an anomaly - and a failed one at that. Sales of DC Comics declined during the campification of Batman. The 60's TV show was very quickly cancelled. The Schumaker films nearly killed the movie franchise. And while Brave and the Bold was really clever and entertaining, I believe it got cancelled as well.

Fact is, Batman's a dark character. It's in his damn visual design. He's operatic and brooding. That's the way the character was designed and it's what the audience wants. I definitely agree with you that a lot of writers take it way too far, and I hope that doesn't happen in this movie. But a Batman that's any lighter than the Dini/Timm version isn't really one I have any interest in seeing.
Got it. "Lots of interpretations," but camp is "an anomaly" and the DCAU Batman is the "lightest" acceptable Batman allowed by the fandom.
 
No, he directs movie that *should* be awesome, but he has a spectacular talent for making the most explosive idea seem boring and bland. He has great skill for art style, but he should stay in the art department; let people that actually know how to tell a story without fatiguing the audience with underserved action direct.

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Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

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Batman's original appearance had him as a Dracula-like ghoul who hunted criminals at night. He used to shoot criminals and throw them off rooftops. Campman has always been an anomaly - and a failed one at that. Sales of DC Comics declined during the campification of Batman. The 60's TV show was very quickly cancelled. The Schumaker films nearly killed the movie franchise. And while Brave and the Bold was really clever and entertaining, I believe it got cancelled as well.

Fact is, Batman's a dark character. It's in his damn visual design. He's operatic and brooding. That's the way the character was designed and it's what the audience wants. I definitely agree with you that a lot of writers take it way too far, and I hope that doesn't happen in this movie. But a Batman that's any lighter than the Dini/Timm version isn't really one I have any interest in seeing.
Best thing about Batman is how versatile the character is

The brooding hero taking on crime lords and gangs and psychos
The brilliant tactician fighting with the Justice a League
The master fighter taking on Ra's in the desert
The father figure and mentor
The foil to Superman

You can put Batman up against serial killers, gangs, psychotic criminal masterminds like The Joker or Riddler, aliens, androids, supernatural foes, and it all works

No, he directs movie that *should* be awesome, but he has a spectacular talent for making the most explosive idea seem boring and bland. He has great skill for art style, but he should stay in the art department; let people that actually know how to tell a story without fatiguing the audience with underserved action direct.
Dawn of the Dead?
300?
Watchmen?
Man of Steel?

Guy makes awesome movies
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

Not sure if serious.. Marvel's movies have some of the most uninspired visual design ever. Snyder's movies have way way more going for them visually than anything marvel has done.
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

What the motherfuck. Even Marvel movie fans wouldn't say something like that
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

What?
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

i am a huge marvel fan and that it just bullshit. the only area where he visually stumbles, is when he relies too on much cg/cg stuntmen (some man of steel fights). aside from that, his films look fucking stunning.
 
No, he directs movie that *should* be awesome, but he has a spectacular talent for making the most explosive idea seem boring and bland. He has great skill for art style, but he should stay in the art department; let people that actually know how to tell a story without fatiguing the audience with underserved action direct.

And yet I thought Watchmen, 300 and Man of Steel were all awesome.

The only movie I liked of his was Suckerpunch, I thought it was brilliant.
 
trailer looks slick. But I don't think there was any doubt of that since visuals are the strongest suit of Snyder.

But after MOS I really doubt the movie will be any good. I just can't trust Zack Snyder again.

Agreed. I looooved the MOS trailer, but the movie left me cold.
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

If there's one thing Snyder excels at above all others, it's his visuals.
 
jtb might have just posted the craziest thing I've seen on these boards all week.

What I will say is that shot of Supes lifting whatever he's lifting above his head in this trailer looks bad.
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

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Snyder is simply in a whole other category.
 
Really? I don't know... I'm no fan of Marvel's films but I thought a bunch of the shots in the trailer looked overwrought. He can frame a good image, but I'd really love him to cut out all the extra bullshit. he's ditched the slow-mo (I think), Snyder still has this annoying tendency to add like ten unnecessary filters over the image and treat everything like a show-off-y money shot. like I said, he doesn't know the difference between more and better.

Marvel's films probably do look shittier though (I never disputed that!)—Avengers and the Thor films, in particular.

jtb might have just posted the craziest thing I've seen on these boards all week.

What I will say is that shot of Supes lifting whatever he's lifting above his head in this trailer looks bad.

Yeah, that was an ugly shot. Looks like unfinished CG or bad lighting or something.
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

Rubbish. His movies are visually stunning. His big problem is he's a terrible writer and he consistently collaborates with other terrible writers.
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

lol@ this nonsense
 
You just said it! "There are other interpretations." Daredevil is a character who for much of his modern existence has led a life of endless tragedy and misery. Dark, depressing stuff that wears on the soul, weighs the man down until he finally drowns. Before that though, the guy used to have some pretty outlandish adventures, not unlike a certain caped crusader. And then, after all that dark and depressing stuff that culminated in a corrupted Daredevil trying to take over New York with an army of ninjas, along comes Mark Waid who, while still acknowledging and at times reinforcing that Matt has had a sh*tty hand dealt to him, gives us a Daredevil who manages to find the joy in being himself, makes light of tense situations, and connects to his cast and to the readers through tragedy AND triumph. Is Matt overcompensating? Yes, he absolutely is; "fake it 'til you make it" is his mantra when he's feeling pressured. Is the happy-go-lucky all an act? No, I don't believe that; Matt's a guy who is smart enough to realize that he's got some great things going on in his life despite of all the tragedy, and the alternative to being happy is somewhere he doesn't want to be anymore. Look, I'm starting to ramble on but honestly Waid's Daredevil is a fun, exciting, and fresh breath for the character compared to the pits of despair that came before, and it is just as great as those runs that steeped themselves in pain and misery, if not better in some ways. Is it going to last, or is the next writer to step up going to fall back on the dark and brooding depiction? Who can say? All I know is I'm having a helluva time enjoying this rendition, and I'll be sad when the ride is over. Waid's interpretation of Daredevil is no less valid that what came before it, simply because it's taken a lighter approach.

Batman? He's breathing the same stale air that Miller forced into his lungs thirty years ago, and when someone steps up with something different along come his "fans" to cry out for their dark, brooding, humorless ghoul of the night. Morrison acknowledged this at the end of his Batman run; the grand experiment failed to change anything. Brave and the Bold got absolutely blasted by the "fans" when it hit the airwaves, for being too different, too Silver Age, too camp. Schumacher's films are openly mocked for swinging too far into camp, and away from the formula of Burton and Nolan and Snyder. The formula of Frank Miller. The formula of Alan Moore. Anything else is out of character.

Pine for a different take on Batman, for something other than formula? Mock the serious, overly dour tone of the Nolan films, of the DCCU? Get derided, chastised; get told you don't truly appreciate the depths of his dark and tortured soul. You don't know Batman.

The Frank Miller formula: the only one that matters.

So what exactly are you asking for? If they make him all sunny and happy, he's not Batman. At least, not what Batman has been for the majority of the character's existence.

Should they tone down the dark? Like make him kinda grumpy and blue? Because that also plays against who the character is accepted in modern times to be. He's a man who is almost psychotic in his drive to wipe crime from the streets, pushed by the memories of his dead parents.

He's a dark character. And judging by box office receipts for his movies since Burton '89, that's just how people like him.

Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

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Sorry, but no. The man may not know how not to explode everything, but he 100% knows visuals.
 
Rubbish. His movies are visually stunning. His big problem is he's a terrible writer and he consistently collaborates with other terrible writers.

Bingo. I would have been extremely disappointed if Zack wasn't directing BVS or the JL movies. His visual directing is in another league. MOS one and only flaw was the script. They seemed to learned from that hence the rewrite. Plus Ben probably noticed it when he signed on. And i trust Ben when it comes down to scripts. He's been on a great roll lately.
 
MoS was an ugly film to me with it's terrible unfinished looking CGI and crazy color grading but every other Snyder film has been good to me from a visual standpoint to me.

I haven't seen Suckerpunch though.
jtb might have just posted the craziest thing I've seen on these boards all week.

What I will say is that shot of Supes lifting whatever he's lifting above his head in this trailer looks bad.
It's the only shot in the trailer that reminds of MoS which is a bad thing.
 
I've seen most of Snyder's films and this is the first time his direction hasn't turned me off.

It's like it finally feels appropriate, where as the 300 slow mo was annoying and the MoS grain felt really out of place. It's definitely an over-stylized look, but I don't think any of his movies warranted it until this.
 
some of those shots are fucking beautiful and others are awkward as hell. look at the two shots of people whose arms are stretched out towards superman. they are literally standing still holding that position lmao, like they were posing for a camera.
 
Snyder's not even that good of a visual director, tbh. It's inspired, but usually he just confuses more with better. Not sure his films look that much better than anything off the Marvel assembly line.

(and considering he fails at most other filmmaking basics...)

WTF??? The truth is the exact opposite of your opinion there man, Snyder's greatest strength is his visuals, it's the one thing he consistently excels at in all of his movies. Even in MoS although that blue filter really hurt his wonderful shots IMHO (the pre filter scenes looked so much better).

I don't say this often with such confidence, but you are wrong jtb, just wrong with that opinion.
 
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