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BBC: Tremor is detected in North Korea (up: nuclear test conducted)
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Agent_Carnage
Member
We cannot let them continue to do this at what point do we say enough is enough. I dont wanna think that the line in the sand is them launching a nuke towards Los Angeles killing millions.
ROK Forces are modernizing quite rapidly, so I wouldn't really worry about them. SK doesn't neglect its armed forces in that regard. They've got AWACS they're looking into, F-35A's to buy, setting up indigenous programs to build their own Fighter jets and helicopters and have a healthy and ramping up production of their K-2 Black Panther Main battle tanks.
What they don't have or lack is likely covered by the US forces in spades(Strategic Airlift, mid air refuling, advanced counter battery ect...).
They're smaller than the Norther forces but the ROK is no joke militarily. Unlike the North the ROK also has the benefit of drawing from US combat experience at both the individual and command levels. Rest assured, the South is far from defenseless, though ideally still wanting to avoid conflict for good reasons.
Harrison Bergeron
Member
The ROK army is one of the largest and most sophisticated in the world. It's a huge focus of that society down to mandatory military service.
No matter how big and sophisticated though, North Korea's arsenal of conventional artillery and weaponry is large enough to be impossible to take out strategically, and has huge destructive potential due to how close it all is to major parts of South Korea.
ghostofsparta
Member
If NK launches a nuke for San Francisco, I sure as fuck hope it's during day time PST. I want to be awake for that. I'd be pissed if I died in my sleep, or shortly after waking up. Fuck that, I'm haunting some people if that happens
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Yeah, world should have acted when only 50 million people would have died. /s
SyenceLabb
Member
What is Grandma saying?
They don't do them "all the time" this is the sixth test in over a decade, and the weapon yield keeps increasing.
It matters in a sense that with a H-bomb warhead, even an inaccurate is a threat (well, more so than just an A-bomb). A-bombs have relatively small yield, and thus require quite a bit of accuracy. Yes, they're powerful, but depending on the target, "close enough" is not close enough.
H-bombs also scale up (eg Tsar Bomba) and are more efficient, meaning more bombs for the same amount of nuclear material.
Almost certainly costing million of lives is a risky bet for merely the possibility of potentially saving millions of lives.
It's not a given that n.korea will actually launch a successful nuclear attack. We can't bet millions of lives on a big "maybe."
SentientStone
Member
You guys are all marks.
I blame US for this shit
Stop provacing NK all the time.
First of all. Stop with the massive military things with SK right outside NK damn door
Ofc NK gonna respond with stuff like that. They are afraid US gonna do their global police thing
Its the same in EU with Russia. US/Nato doing military things with countrys around Russia. Ofc Russia responds.
Stop provacing NK all the time.
First of all. Stop with the massive military things with SK right outside NK damn door
Ofc NK gonna respond with stuff like that. They are afraid US gonna do their global police thing
Its the same in EU with Russia. US/Nato doing military things with countrys around Russia. Ofc Russia responds.
Major nations give NK a seat at the big boy table, placate Kim Jong Un's ego and trade sanctions are lifted in exchange for a written agreement that adresses poverty and low quality of life for the average North Korean.
Maybe throw in a deal for another Trump Tower in NK to placate the USA
Liliana Eileen
Member
You have no idea what you're talking about.
-Plasma Reus-
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NK has confirmed that it has developed a hydrogen bomb small enough to fit on an ICBM?
MSNBC appears to say so.
Changes everything.
MSNBC appears to say so.
Changes everything.
Lol. Sure they will.
Its amazing how decades of US policy on NK has failed so spectacularly.
Nikodemos
Member
<chuckles Sovietly>
9000 North Korean Won has been deposited into your account. The Dear Leader thanks you for your continued service.
What do you propose doing?
Not trying to be snarky here, but there's literally no palatable solution to this mess. If there was, it would have been pursued by now
This is basically a mini Cold War at this point, right?
The only difference is that instead of global cataclysm it'd probably just result in a huge humanitarian disaster and massive tragic loss of life.
Let's just hope NK's survival instinct is hearty as hell, and that Un's in relatively good mental health/has people around him willing to coup the fuck up if he starts doing anything extra suicidal.
The only difference is that instead of global cataclysm it'd probably just result in a huge humanitarian disaster and massive tragic loss of life.
Let's just hope NK's survival instinct is hearty as hell, and that Un's in relatively good mental health/has people around him willing to coup the fuck up if he starts doing anything extra suicidal.
Funny.
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So instead of a cold war, it's an actual war. lol
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Just because one points out the ineptitude of the US at containing/failing to exacerbate a military conflict that's been going on for decades doesn't make one pro-North Korea.
jungomitis
Member
Pacifism, negotiations, and technological breakthroughs in anti-air technology are pretty much the only options. Although I dont know what blowing up an H-bomb mid air would mean for the population below it
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The difference between destroying a city and destroying a bigger city isn't that much in terms of deterrent strategy. The important part here is the miniaturisation, which has been a fait accompli for a while already.
Blaming the US for what North Korea does is absurd garbage. I know their track record isn't the best but not every single bad thing a nation does is the fault of US foreign policy. North Korea is awful with or without their weapons tests and the blame isn't on the US.
Will never happen but I am curious to see what NK would do if the US just completely pulled out of Asia one day.
I... guess?
There is really no standard of a nuclear powered nation launching test missiles over a neighboring country, let alone one they threaten on a regular basis.
Now that DPRK is hydrogen-capable, who knows how the reactions to any additional test launches will go, especially if they follow the tract of the last one.
It's not an actual war until someone takes a shot at someone else with the intent of actually hit them instead of going "LOOOOOK HOW BIIIG MY DIIIIICK IS"
perfectchaos007
Member
North Korea has been testing nukes as long as I can remember. They write their own false history on the Korean war and have told their citizens that the US is their biggest enemy. But sure if you want to defend the propaganda regime and blame the US go ahead.
BUNTING1243
Banned
the drumbeating for war in this thread is kinda weird.
this is an increasingly bad situation but I don't think a preemptive strike is going to be the best option
this is an increasingly bad situation but I don't think a preemptive strike is going to be the best option
jungomitis
Member
Worst part is we have an orange turd as the US president who probably couldnt even find NK on the map.
At least the SK president is better than the last one
At least the SK president is better than the last one
I always believe what NK state media claims, too.
SporeCrawler
Member
NK has nukes they seem to have a delivery mechanism too. Its not like the US has not dealt with enemies with nukes before. diplomacy is the only way
preemptive strike means the end of SK, Japan and China as we know it. NK be evaporated but at the price of millions dead
your memory is short. they started 2006. also dont think that NK is the only country where people are tought that US is their biggest enemy. in fact the places that hold grudges against the US is increasing not decreasing.
nobody wants to defend NK but US should be a rational actor in all of this not an escalating factor.
preemptive strike means the end of SK, Japan and China as we know it. NK be evaporated but at the price of millions dead
your memory is short. they started 2006. also dont think that NK is the only country where people are tought that US is their biggest enemy. in fact the places that hold grudges against the US is increasing not decreasing.
nobody wants to defend NK but US should be a rational actor in all of this not an escalating factor.
Their nuclear capabilities seem to be progressing faster than ever and some action has to be taken. Either that, or diplomacy and letting NK stay as a nuclear power. I'm not sure the diplomatic approach is better.
Not even an American.
PdotMichael
Banned
I do not defend NK. I just saying thats US isnt really helping out when they do massive military operations with SK and flying bombplans around NK and showing off.
And every time US/SK are doing a military thing. What happens? Yes NK are doing something back. Like missil tests.
Its the same in EU. Nato doing massive military things around Russia. Russia responds with the same coin.
Its no rocket sience that countrys are failing massive with how to deal with NK. Military stuff is the worst method
The end result of US / SK "showing of forces" is basically nothing, but constant NK escalation is their own doing, it is not in reaction to war exercises. If anything, it shows North Korea that they can continue conducting nuclear weapons tests, continue firing missiles literally over Japan, and the worst that will happen is the US and SK will waste ammunition on hills near their border.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
What we are seeing with North Korea is a regime trying to survive by using the most desperate measures (aka nukes) because all other alternatives have been exhausted. The fact that they have not been allowed to enter the international community, fully, is something that the US has a huge hand on, whether you agree with the strategy or not.
South Korea is confirming the magnitude of the earthquake, not to mention this is falling within estimates that confirm a much higher payload than before. There's no reason to believe this is just bravado by the Kim regime.
SyenceLabb
Member
I wouldn't much mind North Korea building out their nuclear arsenal if I didn't believe they would be more than happy to sale nuclear weapons/material to a death cult like ISIS. That's what has me concerned. Might be far fetched now, but as nuclear proliferation continues, maybe in 5 to 10 years? I don't like how any of this is shaping up.
SporeCrawler
Member
what way is there that doesnt end in millions of people dying. yeah that approach is better. nuclear weapons will not be used by NK if they are left alone. the reality is that they have them now and Kim cannot be removed like sadam or gadaffi.
jungomitis
Member
In truth - while NK regards the US as its enemy. They will never ever be a military threat to the US.
The mistake is that the region has far too long relied on the US for assistance with deescalating the threat while the US has no real stakes in the game. The idea that a bomb from half way across the world will successfully land on SF, LA, or Chicago is pretty unlikely. Hawaii and Alaska are possibly targets, but given the example of Japan and Pearl Harbor - I dont think NK will attack, if ever, a non-major city.
Tokyo and Seoul however, are potentially 5-10 minutes away from annihilation. But at least for Seoul, thats status quo. Curious how the Japanese will get involved
The mistake is that the region has far too long relied on the US for assistance with deescalating the threat while the US has no real stakes in the game. The idea that a bomb from half way across the world will successfully land on SF, LA, or Chicago is pretty unlikely. Hawaii and Alaska are possibly targets, but given the example of Japan and Pearl Harbor - I dont think NK will attack, if ever, a non-major city.
Tokyo and Seoul however, are potentially 5-10 minutes away from annihilation. But at least for Seoul, thats status quo. Curious how the Japanese will get involved