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Because Canada: Justin Trudeau kayaks over to a family to discuss climate change
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Meh, personally the Trudeau hype has worn off on me. I think it was electoral reform that did me in, because otherwise I voted for a Liberal and didn't feel bad about it! Now I know what all my elders have been warning me about the Liberal party as this was the first federal election I was old enough to vote in.
gutter_trash
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to me, the NDP stink of putting forwad a motion of no confidence against Paul Martin has not worn off on me.
to me, the NDP stink of coluding with Harper has not worn off on me.
to me, the NDP stink of campaigning against the Clarity Act then pushing their 50%+1 crap to get nationalist votes has not worn off on me.
to me, the NDP sting of insulting Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau for doing the right thing during the October Crisis has not worn off on me
Escape Goat
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He certainly has the politician speak down. Lord Byron compared to our Orange Cheeto.
jack_package_200
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Damn
killer rin
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Except in the committee's report, the Committee itself said that if we are going to do Electoral Reform, it has to be a form of Proportional Representation. Its what the Electoral reform community in Canada wants, its what experts all around the world (including within Canada) say is the ideal. Within the Electoral Reform Committee's report, they outlined three specific systems as what we should look at. STV, MMP and Rural-Urban Proportional.
As we see in countries around the world which utilize Proportional Systems, extremists tend to stop trying to take over electable mainstream parties when they have their own they can work towards.
Not to mention when it comes to proportional systems, even with systems more likely to elect extremists (MMP), nobody within the Electoral Reform Community is advocating for 100% Proportionality. We all take the idea that you follow what countries like Germany and New Zealand do with their MMP systems which is put in a minimum goal for Proportional Seats rather than what countries like Saudi Arabia do with having it be a free for all. AKA what the Canadian Electoral Reform community advocates for is if you can't get 5-10% of the vote you don't get Proportional Seats.
Alternatively you have STV where the vote is still proportional, but only up to the number of MPs in a riding meaning there is even less chance to elect extremists than the most restricted MMP system.
The extra benefit of Proportional Systems include that we don't have to have the current Big-Tent parties that we have. The Conservatives can split back into their root parties of Reform and Alliance and as a result you don't have Conservative MPs ignoring what their constituents want because it doesn't fit with the current "Conservative" banner of the day and you wouldn't be forcing say Progressive Conservatives to vote for a Conservative Party headed by a Social Conservative because they could just vote for the Progressive Conservative Party. Vice Versa with Social Conservatives. They would be able to do this without ruining their chances of being elected as government because they would be able to coalition if their percentage of the vote wins out.
Except these MPs are elected. Nobody is advocating for Closed List PR where the party chooses their candidates in the order the politicians want them. The only time it is thrown out there is when people try to make the argument that the ballot is too complicated. The Electoral Reform Community advocates for Opened List PR (in the case of MMP) where you select or rank the candidates on the Proportional Ballot in accordance with your choice.
This point is even more moot if you go with STV where you just have a single ballot that you rank all of your candidates on with the redistribution process being Proportional. Under this system there is no Party List and all the candidates are elected by the results of the vote.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
That fucking face, how could I forget this meme?"The biggest problem with Trudeau is that he's almost too good."
Clearly, a lot of people do, just like how you seem to think it's important that we know about some Russian conspiracy from Reddit and also that his father is Pierre Trudeau being a mark against him despite the common opinion that Pierre is one of Canada's greatest people:
Not to derail the thread, but Trudeau invoking the War Measures Act had absolutely no impact on the investigation regarding the FLQ and only served as a gross abuse of human rights during the time and added a massive stain on Pierre's political career along with the then recent White Paper debacle.
Don't get me wrong, I like Pierre but there's a reason why it's still considered a controversial moment in his career.
gutter_trash
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watching that orange wave fall to pieces was cathartic. It must hurt knowing that Quebec abandoned them in mass for literally anyone else.
MadJackChurchill
Banned
Yep. Great canned photo opportunity just like the """""photobomb""""" but a PM kayaking to talk about how we should preserve the earth as he's simultaneously setting fire to it isn't a good look. People are spell-bound by a two-faced politician. But he's photogenic so great.
Buba Big Guns
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Dont mean to sound like an asshole, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Do you know what a carbon tax is and how it actually serves free market economics in a much more representative way? It's better to be informed when you're talking about these systematic mechanisms.
Watch these videos:
Prof. of Economics at the University of Queensland explains
Veritasium explains the concept perfectly
A carbon tax is not "just another tax"
It is a mechanism to literally place highly polluting industries on a level playing field; essentially the tax payer stops subsidizing these industries. Another reason why anyone who calls Trudeau a hypocrite on climate should be laughed at. A carbon tax will accelerate our way to a clean and sustainable economy, and eventually make things cheaper in the long run.
Such a lazy argument.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Not to go off on a completely unnecessary tangent that really has nothing to do with the actual substance of your post, but* this bolded bit:
is aggressively untrue lol.
*(remember folks, ignore everything before the "but"!)
Living in Alberta makes what I see and hear in regards to our PM hilarious to me. The conservatives here bitch and moan that he hates Alberta and that he hates oil. The progressives outside of this province think he's an oil man who would do whatever Alberta wants him to do. He's a million times better in my opinion than Harper, so the only thing he has really soured me on is the half hearted election reform inquiry his government did.
This is insulting. I have a 4th grader, and he can both read and speak circles around Trump.
I'm jealous too. I wish moving to Canada was less expensive.
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