JadedWriter
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Maybe he became too lazy to draw like this:
Miura would probably look at that and be like, "What the fuck man?"
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Berserk |OT| - Big men, bigger swords, OFF THE BOAT - Berserk #344 24/6/2016
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Miura would probably look at that and be like, "What the fuck man?"
JadedWriter
Member
No, no I didn't. Dude wrote my favorite Shonen anime so I can't possibly hate him. Is the health issue terminal?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Maybe he became too lazy to draw like this:
Miura would probably look at that and be like, "What the fuck man?"
I would hesitate to call any mangaka lazy, especially weekly ones. From what I have heard the fact he even did those chapters shows his dedication to his craft (I believe he was hospitalized)
There are a lot of rumors, ranging from back pain to his hand going bad, both critical problems for a mangaka.
Eh....Togashi hasn't done long, weekly chapters in a while. I don't really care to use the word 'lazy', but he goes at his own pace. I'm pretty sure he and his wife is rich, so it's not like he has to worry about getting paid for work, so he's not in a hurry. To put it frankly, he doesn't have to worry about work, so he works when he feels like it.
Edit: Also, I did hear he had actual health issues since the latest chapter, so that's obviously good reasons. Before then for years, he had taken frequent and long breaks though without notice about health issues which is usually given like in the case of the author of D. Gray-Man. Ah. Apparently, he mentioned health issues since YYH then. Nevermind.
Edit: Also, I did hear he had actual health issues since the latest chapter, so that's obviously good reasons. Before then for years, he had taken frequent and long breaks though without notice about health issues which is usually given like in the case of the author of D. Gray-Man. Ah. Apparently, he mentioned health issues since YYH then. Nevermind.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
He's married to the Sailor Moon mangaka so combine YYH/HxH/Sailor Moon and thats a lot of success and royalties. I could buy that he simply doesn't need to work anymore, but Togashi seems more passionate then that.
Thank you both for these posts; that is a depressing amount of time in both cases.
JadedWriter
Member
Oh ok. That explains it a bit. Didn't mean to offend, just innocently poking fun. And yeah him being married to the creator of sailor moon just means he's in no rush, he just does stuff when he feels like it.
He already mentioned health issues regarding the (abrupt) end of Yū Yū Hakusho, actually.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It's no big deal but whenever people call a video game developer, mangaka, animator etc lazy I feel like that's about the least applicable word in nearly every context considering how harsh those working conditions and deadlines can be
JadedWriter
Member
Well this explains the ending of YYH then. I mean I was fine with it, but the last arc is the weakest arc.
Isn't the animator field bordering on sweat shop territory?
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
After two years it's time to check the Wall of Shame.
3rd? Not bad, considering I only got into Berserk from March of this year.
I'm SO damn glad I discovered the awesomeness of everything Berserk!
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It's definitely rough. People sleep in the office, work long hours, tight deadlines. Its an windsurf that runs on passion. Manga is close to that. Some video game crunch time phases are also close.
Lazy is a fighting word when applying to creators. Even really mediocre works are difficult to produce. Not to mention sometimes you just get gift pieces, something that seems like it'd be really difficult but is actually not. So speculating the amount of work a creator puts in is fruitless.
However, while we can definitely say that Togashi is lacking in professional integrity. There is no way on earth thay he can reasonably argue that some of the drawings he sent out were of an acceptable standard of quality. The fact that that's what he turned in simply doesn't reflect well on him. Maybe he didn't work hard on them. Or perhaps he did. But in either case, he should have worked harder.
Aaronrules380
Member
Well I was predicting a time skip, and I guess we'll get one in a fashion if time on the elf island really does move a lot more slowly than the outside world. I'm guessing when Guts leaves Rickert will be a complete badass
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Well, you are correct. I can't say that any of that excuses poor work, but I feel with manga we hardly ever know the full circumstances. People actually believe the Miura and Idolmaster joke and the Togashi and Dragon Quest joke for instance. Most of what I know about mangaka is "stories" that I've never really bothered to look up and verify, although whenever I see an interview in English posted about an animator/director/mangaka/developer I make sure to read it.
JadedWriter
Member
I need to read up on some more mangaka, but so far the most chill one I can think of seems to be Araki. He still puts in the work, but at the same time seems pretty relaxed and jovial during his interviews. Probably helps that the man is an unaging time lord or some shit.
JadedWriter
Member
I have a quick question. I'm only up to volume 28, midway through. But who's crazier, Sonia or Princess Charlotte? I find Charlotte's obsession with Griffith creepy as fuck and Sonia is well, Sonia. I told Tricky I Shadow that I'd spoiler tag everything, but nothing in here should be new info for them and I didn't really elaborate on anything.
RadioHeadAche
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I was on top for a while.After two years it's time to check the Wall of Shame.
Volume 26 was a wild ride. Still have volume 27&28 for now.
JadedWriter
Member
The woman walks around talking to war demons like they were little kids. I don't even think I've seen the heights of her craziness yet to be honest.
Charlotte is just a one woman Griffith fan art Tumblr page
I'll try to spoiler tag stuff for you as well then. Can't believe I've caught up to some of the people on here already. I honestly just thought everybody on here was just at the more recent stuff.
RadioHeadAche
Member
I'm just trying to watch my spending and pace myself. Instock trades is great, but it's still almost $40 just for four books.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Thanks, I appreciate it! So long as you spoiler tag the more specific story details from now on we should be all good. And like I said in our PM's, I've slowed down recently when it comes to reading the volumes because I want them to last as long as possible - which feels like torture at times. I'm now up to volume 29 and I'm already feeling bummed out that I've now reached the homestretch. Like what the hell am I gonna do once I catch up? I'm gonna feel so lost! : (
JadedWriter
Member
I think when I catch up I'll start reading Claymore. I'm almost at the end of 28, it's getting good too.
Farnese's family are so shitty, her mom seems nice at least so far.
The Omega Man
Member
After two years it's time to check the Wall of Shame.
Almost last? oh jissss, I am ashamed
Indeed, Puck's story was all kinds of awesome, how he told the story, what was really going on and the crew's lack of interest made it one of Puck's best moments.
RadioHeadAche
Member
I got a new laserdisc.
JadedWriter
Member
Awesome, that moment is so pivotal to Berserk. I thought stopped making laser discs years ago.
RadioHeadAche
Member
They did. It's from '97/98, contains two episodes and sold for almost ¥6000 back in the day.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
The Omega Man
Member
Maybe they are not off the boat, maybe it is all a dream, they are being attacked by a sea creature capable of casting illusions.
JadedWriter
Member
I'm like mid volume 30 now. How much longer till I see Rickert again?
Speaking of posses it seems like Guts has gotten rather fond of Serpico, Schierke, Farnese and Isidro. I'm not sure if he's as close to them as he was to the Band of the Hawk, but they clearly mean something to him. Regarding Serpico,
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Based on what I've read on here he gains a posse or something.
his second fight with Guts was top notch. I can easily see Serpico beating actual human Griffith in a duel. Especially since Griffith got straight embarrassed by Guts the second time. Meanwhile Serpico is constantly giving Guts and actual challenge
So why has no one posted this in here yet?
It's a celebration/hype video for leaving the boat!
This pretty much reflects my first reaction
And the best part: the story goes on on December 25th! Best christmas ever
Yeah, that's what I was saying. Serpico is something else if he can match current level Guts to this extent.
I wonder how Griffith even gained his skill? I know that he's supposed to just be prodigious whose good at everything, but even he'd need to practice to keep up. Or maybe he didn't. Maybe since he was a general, he focused on refining his command skills once he established his strength.
JadedWriter
Member
That makes the most sense. Griffith got "soft" while Guts didn't. I would also like the think that Griffith had a way of getting inside your head a little when you fought him. He always had a bit of a reputation and mystique to him. Once that wore off on Guts he was able to catch up to and surpass Griffith easily. Serpico's best asset is his mind and how he thinks about combat and his opponent. You can tell he respects Guts ability because he always does his best to pick a battlefield that would hamper most of the advantages that Guts has. Meanwhile you can tell that Guts respects him
cause he never opted to use his arm cannon on him.
The Omega Man
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I am OK with Serpico being a top notch fighter, but it does bothers me that he just got plot - skills, his flashback doesn't even show any explanation for it, no training, nothing, he just happens do be good, so I guess we follow the clichés animu explanation for this, he's just a genius.
JadedWriter
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I don't think you survive years upon years of being Farnese's servant
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True Savior
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Griffith was a mercenary. Experience probably made him a great fighter. As the Falcon became bigger and integrated in the army , I would say Griffith pretty much stayed the same. He is still a terrific strategist in duels. That's how he approaches the fight against Guts. And loses.
He was extremely skilled. Dude rips an arm off Zodd....in apostle form.
JadedWriter
Member
I thought Guts chopped it off with Griffith just cutting it. I didn't think the sword Griffith used was strong enough to cut Zodd that way.
I think you're overrating Serpico there. He himself said that he couldn't get Guts to show his fangs in the duel.
Oh, I never disputed that he was skilled, but I still wondered how he came about it. I hate Zodds arm getting cut off though. That simply makes no sense when guts couldn't get in a deep wound in human form. The rapier compliments Griffiths character of being able to do more with less via skill. It's not a power weapon and he didn't cut him at a vulnerable angle. Berserk isn't an especially tactical manga in general, but this was a huge oversight the way it happened.
Still, it's believable that Griffith would have less and less fighting time as his army grew larger. I don't see him as a character that would let himself ever get mediocre, but he just wouldn't be as good as guts whose in the thick of it all the time.
It's the opposite. Guts wasn't able to make more than a somewhat deep cut on Zodd's human form. Griffith was able to cut his apostle arm off at the bone. It's a real misstep in the storytelling imo.
JadedWriter
Member
I honestly thought Guts opted to not go ape shit because Guts agreed to keep the duel honorable in a sword on sword format.
He probably didn't think Serpico would give him that much of a challenge and it seemed like he won more on luck through anything else. I read it last night and Guts didn't plan for the rubble to fall on Serpico the way it did, it just happened. I honestly might be giving Serpico too much credit, but that's because I expected him to die. His last minute dodge through the air shocked me so I guess I'm just giving the fool his props. Man went toe to toe with Guts twice so far, him not getting cut in half yet just shows the man actually has some skills.
That whole part really does just seem like it's there just to put Griffith on equal footing with Guts power wise when power was never Griffiths game. We know Griffith is a skill fighter and not a power fighter, he couldn't even tank one hit from Zodd. He's like a Bloodborne build with 50 skill and 16 vit.
JadedWriter
Member
That's a lot better than the snake dude Guts fought in the beginning lol. When you fight a guy that level grinds off of apostles you take what you can get. Regarding the ranged combat I know, even Guts and I believe Serpico acknowledged that fact. They fought as swordsmen in an honorable duel where Serpico had to slightly cheat just to gain some sort of advantage. Even Serpico knew he wouldn't be able to pierce that armor.Toe to toe? More like barely escaped with his life twice
Toe to toe? More like barely escaped with his life twice
But if Guts had been serious, he'd used his throwing knives or the bombs or hell, the armour.
Yeah, but then Serpico might pull some tricks to prepare for that as well. I think he knew Guts would honor the swordfight they were having. Either way, the tactical mind Serpico has atleast catches Guts unawares enough that all Serpico needs to do is get lucky once to get a clean hit in.
Still, Guts is Guts, so easier said than done.
Now that he has that feather sword, even Guts would have to go into Berserk form to stand a chance though.
JadedWriter
Member
There's also that wind cloak. I'd imagine him to be a rather difficult target to hit with that thing on. And yeah that feather sword is powerful. Wasn't he cutting off a couple of troll heads with one swing of it? And beat that frog horse as well.