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Big Revolution Info "Leak"... oooooh boy

Flo_Evans said:
How could you execute a quick 180 turn with a tilt controller? or a 360 for that matter? One of the major problems with analog sticks for aiming is the rate of turn. With a mouse/trackball all it takes is a quick flick of the wrist. You have to sit there and hold the analog stick till your guy turns around.

So lets say you tilt the controller 90 on its side, does your POV change instantly, or are you locked into a rate of turn?
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It could be:

Tilt foreward, aim up
Tilt backward, aim down
Tilt left, aim left
Tilt right, aim right
TURN controller, spin around.

Remember, gyroscopes read things on an XYZ scale, as opposed to tilt sensors ala Kirby TiltNTumble that just read XY. What is it...gyros sense..yaw? Is that what it's called?

Otherwise, I think slow turnarounds are things console gamers will just have to get used to. Though I don't see why tilting your controller left or right, and holding it there, would be any slower than dragging your mouse back and forth a few times to turn around quickly.
 
also, the only thing i have against gyro's...

you could do the same thing much more easily with a touch pad, not a touch screen, but a touch pad like you find on laptops. a small touch pad in the place where the right analogue stick is on current controlers would allow very intuitive mouse controls and all you would have to move is your thumb.
 
Krowley said:
but dual wielding, you couldn't turn with the gyro because you couldn't turn in two directions at once... the gyro would simulate mouse look, not just move the cross hairs, but also turn your character, when dual wielding, that would not work..
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Curses! You're right! Oh well, this is why I'm not a game developer. :p
 
Krowley said:
also, the only thing i have against gyro's...

you could do the same thing much more easily with a touch pad, not a touch screen, but a touch pad like you find on laptops. a small touch pad in the place where the right analogue stick is on current controlers would allow very intuitive mouse controls and all you would have to move is your thumb.
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good luck playing FPS with a touchpad :)
 
have any of you actually used a gryoscopic mouse for you computer? There is a reason we don't all use gyro mice...

WordAssassin said:
Though I don't see why tilting your controller left or right, and holding it there, would be any slower than dragging your mouse back and forth a few times to turn around quickly.
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Because you don't drag your mouse back and forth a few times to do a 180 with a mouse is why. You litteraly flick the mouse very quickly then lift it off the table so the ball spins freely, then put it back down when you are facing the right way.
 
Bacon said:
Hmm, how would you keep aiming left and right though (like, continuously.) With a mouse, you slide, pick up and move the mouse, then slide again. With analog sticks you just hold in either direction. Would you have to point the gyro off screen or something..?
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it would probably use a button press to turn off gyro sensitivity for a second while you re-adjust your hand. so it would work just like a mouse.
 
monkeyrun said:
good luck playing FPS with a touchpad :)
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i messed with my friends copy of the metroid prime: hunters demo, and it seemed to work pretty well... not quite as good as a mouse, but much better than a stick. if the same level of sensitivity was integrated into a touch pad, i think it would be pretty cool.
 
Krowley said:
it would probably use a button press to turn off gyro sensitivity for a second while you re-adjust your hand. so it would work just like a mouse.
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I was just going to say the same thing. I don't think that the gryo will constantly be engaged while you're playing. There will likely be a button or a trigger to turn it on. It'd then use wherever the controller was as it's "neutral" point, and you move from that to direct your aim. Then you'd turn it off and it'd reset itself for next time.
 
How much are these controllers going to cost if they really have all of these features? I don't want to spend $300 on extra controllers so friends can play.

All of this does sound cool, though. But I've never used any gyroscopic gadget so I don't know how well it will work.
 
Krowley said:
i messed with my friends copy of the metroid prime: hunters demo, and it seemed to work pretty well... not quite as good as a mouse, but much better than a stick. if the same level of sensitivity was integrated into a touch pad, i think it would be pretty cool.
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that is a touchscreen. if you play deathmatch FPS with a touchpad you'll die so fast that you won't have time to say bye.

a trackpad is a trackpad, it'll never have the kind of precision of a touchscreen, it'll be really hard for any resonable human being to guess which point of the touchpad is which point on the screen.
 
monkeyrun said:
that is a touchscreen. if you play deathmatch FPS with a touchpad you'll die so fast that you won't have time to say bye.
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but whats the difference? isn't a touch screen just a touch pad with a screen under it and a smoother surface? (or is the screen over it? i can't remember)
 
Tim the Wiz said:
Guilty as charged. And if Johnny wants me to remove his name for obvious reasons (which is why I didn't have his name up there at first), it's done. And whether this was my faux-pas or not, I give my apologies.
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as if im trying to bring attention to myself. what the fuck are you trying to do man, make it so that i stop getting any good info? ruin this for everyone? last i checked, i'd hardly consider myself a source. im just a dude who leaks shit out on the board occasionally when drunk.

dude, this isn't a threat or anything, but if i stop getting info, then well, everyone does. and that blows. take it down please.
 
Madrin said:
How much are these controllers going to cost if they really have all of these features? I don't want to spend $300 on extra controllers so friends can play.

All of this does sound cool, though. But I've never used any gyroscopic gadget so I don't know how well it will work.
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I don't imagine the controller costing any more or less than they do now. Fucking Xbox controllers are almost the price of a full game ($40-45).

Keep in mind that gyros can generate force feedback too, so removing the rumble pack and replacing it with the gyro will save money. Plus, the gryo will get rid of the camera stick, and it won't have a D-pad. That saves money right there.

Just picture it as a "ball-less" Gamecube controller ($25) with a gyroscope instead of a rumble motor, and pressure sensitive grips. It'd likely cost around $35-45 per controller.
 
Flo_Evans said:
have any of you actually used a gryoscopic mouse for you computer? There is a reason we don't all use gyro mice...
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Well, people really dont need gyros for the computer because its requires too much effort to browse a web or edit docs, etc (you know, normal things we use a computer for).

But for games, gyros definitely makes sense. Just look at gamers who tilt and wave their controllers around when playing console games. :D
 
WordAssassin said:
Curses! You're right! Oh well, this is why I'm not a game developer. :p
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Actually no he's not. How hard would it be to make it so when your duel weilding the off hand follows where ever your gyroscopic controller points to(on your main hand)? Problem solved. :)
 
Zelda-Bitch said:
Actually no he's not. How hard would it be to make it so when your duel weilding the off hand follows where ever your gyroscopic controller points to? Problem solved. :)
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I was implying that each half of the controller has a gyro in it, which would be why you're able to aim in different directions (Revolution!!1!1). I guess all you'd have to do is tilt both controllers in the same directon and your character would spin in place, thus turning himself around. Problem still solved, though. :D

empanada said:
But for games, gyros definitely makes sense. Just look at gamers who tilt and wave their controllers around when playing console games. :D
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Revolution will be flooded with fishing games! :lol
 
monkeyrun said:
how about ..... no ?
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well i confess to not being very tech savy, so i looked it up. here is a description for how a touch screen functions that i found on the web

"A touch screen sensor is a clear glass panel with a touch responsive surface. The touch sensor/panel is placed over a display screen so that the responsive area of the panel covers the viewable area of the video screen. There are several different touch sensor technologies on the market today, each using a different method to detect touch input. The sensor generally has an electrical current or signal going through it and touching the screen causes a voltage or signal change. This voltage change is used to determine the location of the touch to the screen. "

now just take that, but don't put a screen under it (to cut down on price).. thats what i'm talking about. a nice smooth touch sensitive surface to run your finger over for mouse control. it would probably work better than a gyro for most applications, if it's possible.
 
Tim the Wiz said:
Guilty as charged. And if Johnny wants me to remove his name for obvious reasons (which is why I didn't have his name up there at first), it's done. And whether this was my faux-pas or not, I give my apologies....
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Then fix it, doofus. This news is for Gaming-Age, not some low-rent GameCube fan site. And I wouldn't worry, Johnny. I highly doubt anyone of importance is visiting that site.
 
ACK, even though it'a a random no name site, that article is making me very nervous.

someone please try to get someone who works for that sites attention, and have them take it down, or at the very least my name. that's sooooooooo not cool. if they get me pinched, we all lose.
 
God's Hand said:
Then fix it, doofus. This news is for Gaming-Age, not some low-rent GameCube fan site. And I wouldn't worry, Johnny. I highly doubt anyone of importance is visiting that site.
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wtf dude. That was pretty uncalled for. Still, PLEASE TAKE IT DOWN!!! >=|
 
I think gyro controls would be used kind of like analog sticks. For turning in a FPS, the more you tilt the controller away from the screen, the faster you would turn.
 
Zelda-Bitch said:
wtf dude. That was pretty uncalled for. Still, PLEASE TAKE IT DOWN!!! >=|
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Uncalled for? GA could lose a great poster, or even a few others, because this stuff gets spread around to news sites.
 
as much as I hate to bump this thread and bring more attention to it, please remove the name. I love the cryptic hints we get ,and it would be a huge injustice to have him silenced:(
 
Um... If someone doesn't want his comments to be widely available perhaps he shouldn't post them on a public forum. Go GameCube Heaven!
 
On the one hand, I can understand Johnny not wanting his name bandied about. On the other hand, it seems more likely to me that "the wrong person" would hear of something through being posted on GAF than a small news item on a site that uses a free Tokelau domain.
 
Flo_Evans said:
Because you don't drag your mouse back and forth a few times to do a 180 with a mouse is why. You litteraly flick the mouse very quickly then lift it off the table so the ball spins freely, then put it back down when you are facing the right way.
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you still use a mouse with an actual ball?

optical mice is what it's all about so there would be no ball to "freely spin" till your facing the right direction

with a good gyrocontroller you would flick your hand fast to the direction which would move you quick in that direction then do it again really fast just like moving a mouse across then picking it up and moving it across fast again
 
Tim the Wiz said:
Guilty as charged. And if Johnny wants me to remove his name for obvious reasons (which is why I didn't have his name up there at first), it's done. And whether this was my faux-pas or not, I give my apologies.



That fits in quite well, with everything said by Johnny N in this thread. And this thread has single-handedly gotten me excited for the Revolution. I hate the calm before the storm ...
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You're an idiot.
 
I sent that idiot an email (with some flaming against his site that I needed to get of my chest like that layout which isn't even original) not asking him, but rather telling him to take Johnny's name, or rather the whole rumour off the site.
 
cybamerc said:
I doubt his real name is Johnny Nighttrain.
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anyways, he can keep the rumor up for all i care, i just don't want my name anywhere near it.
 
Krowley said:
also, the only thing i have against gyro's...

you could do the same thing much more easily with a touch pad, not a touch screen, but a touch pad like you find on laptops. a small touch pad in the place where the right analogue stick is on current controlers would allow very intuitive mouse controls and all you would have to move is your thumb.
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Umm... touch screens are tracking two data points, an x value and a y value. With gyros you also have a z value and you can get rotational information in all 3 directons. Gyros are way more useful than touchscreens. Just imagine that you could get the effect of dragging your finger across a touch screen by moving your gyro controller from left to right while holding it completely stable in the z direction. Now think about what hapenns when you also rotate the controller or bring it up and down and you will realise what gyros are capable of. A gyro lets you do everything but realistic scaling control, which can be simulated if at least one button is on the controller.

as for controlling an FPS using gyros, there are tons of ways to do it, and they all beat dual analouge. I'd imagine the gyro would be used to aim where you are shooting on the screen. If you were to aim past the screen in any direction, your view would rotate in that directionat a speed based on the severity of your off-screen angle. then assuming the controller still has an analouge stick, the stick would dictate actual movement.
 
Johnny Nighttrain said:
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anyways, he can keep the rumor up for all i care, i just don't want my name anywhere near it.
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Am I allowed to keep thinking that you look like the guy in your avatar, too? That'd be awesome. :lol
 
God's Hand said:
Uncalled for? GA could lose a great poster, or even a few others, because this stuff gets spread around to news sites.
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Still. You guys are being a little harsh on the guy. Assholish even. I'm sure he didnt mean to hurt anyone by it. What makes you think news doesn't get spread around from here anyway? Not that I want Johnny to stop posting good info, but if his name is so important and he's putting shit on the line for this, why post in arguably one the most visited gaming forums on the net? With a name that could link him to the information he's giving out no less?!! Doesn't make a shit load of sense if you ask me. =\
 
hey, i meant no offense to the dude or anything, but you know, just keep in mind that i really only leak shit on here when im drunk. because of that, granted, it's my fault, but i don't want to be held responsible for a drunken mistake.

like i said, he can keep it up for all i care, i just don't think it's cool that he's using me as a source. especially when you consider that im far from a source. remember, im the middle man.
WordAssassin said:
Am I allowed to keep thinking that you look like the guy in your avatar, too? That'd be awesome. :lol
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sure, just don't go anywhere near my user info on the board, or you'll be in for disapointment. :)
 
I don't see dual gyro controls working. How would you have access to any of the buttons? It'd have to be something like the power glove or something like a thick doorknocker or handle with buttons on the surface.

Although, I suppose something like a gyroscopic N64 controller which can be split apart into two controllers would work, with both having buttons, of course.
 
GaimeGuy said:
I don't see dual gyro controls working. How would you have access to any of the buttons? It'd have to be something like the power glove or something like a thick doorknocker or handle with buttons on the surface.

Although, I suppose something like a gyroscopic N64 controller which can be split apart into two controllers would work, with both having buttons, of course.
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Waaaay ahead of you. :D
 
Yeah you showed this to me before.

It could work, it would just have to be carefully designed for comfort and use (of course, for hardware engineers, that shouldn't be a problem).

But yeah, something like that with ABXY buttons on one half of the controller and four other buttons on the other half is what I'm thinking.
 
Tim the Wiz said:
Guilty as charged. And if Johnny wants me to remove his name for obvious reasons (which is why I didn't have his name up there at first), it's done. And whether this was my faux-pas or not, I give my apologies.
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he should be banned for being a fuckin idiot.
 
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