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Billy Corgan's TheFutureEmbrace has arrived

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Diablos

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DO NOT ASK FOR ANY SONGS

Billy wasn't lying when he said he wanted it to sound very "un-Pumpkins". It's not anything close to being like the Pumpkins or Zwan.

How it sounds: Adore-like production, but with louder noise I guess? The "noise" being a synth and guitar happily warped together. The execution is caught somewhere in between Adore and Machina, with other approaches to sound of course. With all of this being said, it's still completely different than ANYTHING Corgan has EVER done. Production methods are one thing; when you're Billy Corgan, that's just one part of it - how he went about producing these songs against his previous production methods (which are also happily blended together along with something totally fresh and new) is another. Not even remotely close to being like Gish, Siamese or Mellon Collie.

All Things Change - A folky song at heart, so it being an electronic song is very very strange. Pretty hard to listen to. It's not BAD, but it's definitely strange (probably the strangest song on the album). I have no idea why this is the opening track. :D It's like two ideas (the vocals and then the music) completely seperated, intentionally made to not really accompany each other. Weird.

Mina Loy - I love this song. The track is very powerful with a strong sense of urgency. Corgan never ever writes political songs, so this makes it all the more enjoyable. This should be the first single, not Walking Shade.

The CameraEye - Awesome beat, very cool and calm, great lyrics. This is probably the only song on the album where a guitar is completely detached from the beat/synth sound. I'm fond of the way it's done, too - it sounds almost completely out of place but still fits perfectly. Leave that stuff to Corgan, of course. The track starts out very simple, but gets more layered as the song continues. And, for being Billy Corgan, the vocal performance is excellent. One of the best songs on the album.

To Love Somebody - What is this song doing on the album? And if you're going to get Robert Smith to work with you, have him sing on a better song. Terrible, absolutely terrible. At least it's a cover. The original is 100 times better.

A100 - Most of us have heard this one already. Very gloomy yet surprisingly upbeat; beautiful wall of sound during the chorus. Great song all around.

DIA - Depeche Mode meets Filter meets My Bloody Valentine meets Celtic music. This song is really, really different - I don't even know how to describe it, but it's awesome! I cannot believe Corgan pulled this off. Dreamy, folky, but really powerful. I dunno. It's just awesome. Lyrics are excellent, chrous seems to take on two methods at once but works REALLY WELL (if this makes any sense to you. But you'll have to hear the song if you can't understand). One of Billy's friends, sadly I cannot remember her name, played the violin and did backup vocals (and did a damn fine job of doing both), and Jimmy Chamberlin plays the drums. His performance is nothing to go crazy over, but that's because the song (and album) isn't made for drumming. But this song is proof that Corgan is still a genius.

Now (And Then) - Lyrics are definitely the strongest point of the song here. It's about someone who is basically a loner and could never have friends no matter how hard they try. Very depressing and gloomy. Sounds like an Adore song recorded for Machina. Decent.

I'm Ready - Dream pop electronica bliss. The first few seconds reminds me of upbeat poppy Japanese game music or something. Lyrics aren't that great, but I really really appreciate the sonic landscape of lush and dreamy guitar/synth textures that kind of make you feel like you're on Cloud 9. Nice.

Walking Shade - Eh, I never really liked this song for some reason. It sounds like its being broadcast over the radio. Depeche Mode guitars are kind of drowned out in this thick semi-fuzzy noise that hides behind the synth beat. Not completely weak, but it could've been better. It's certainly not BAD.

Sorrows (in blue) - Really mellow. Guitar and synth seem to weave in and out of each other in such a way that makes them almost sound identical at times - makes for a really interesting sound.

Pretty, Pretty STAR - Song title always made me laugh, but it's really cool. Billy sounds very relaxed and content with what he's singing, and the song itself sounds VERY j-pop/ game music-ish. Very happy, very upbeat. The beat and vocals "flow" well.

Strayz - Second weakest song on the album. I have nothing good to say about it - very bland. Outside of that, I don't have anything bad to say, either. It's just... there.

Overall, I'd give it a 8/10.

Despite the two crappy songs, it kicks Mary Star of the Sea to the curb, and exceeds Machina in the originality and creativity department. Simply put, Corgan's best work since Adore. Well done, Spaceboy.
 
Thanks for the impressions, Diablos. I have heard the four songs on the promo and I wasn't that impressed*, and I'm a huge Pumpkins/Corgan fan. But I'm liking the impressions of DIA. If the album only has one piece of genius on it, I'll still be happy. I still think Corgan's whole approach to the album is what's holding him back though. I mean, it's one thing for him to say that he wants to do something completely different to what he's done before, but that can still be done within the framework of a rock sound. But as he insists on going with the electronic/synth route, I would have hoped he'd have gotten someone else to do the beats, because quite frankly, the beats are totally shit on the songs I've heard from this album...anyway, until I have the album in my hands in its entirety I'll withhold judgement, but the songs I've heard give me hope for a very strong second solo album.

*A100 had a great chorus but relatively weak verses, Walking Shade had some great parts, but also some terrible ones (I like the videoclip though and it enhances the track IMO), Mina Loy I haven't listened to enough, and Now and Then...I actually like, but more because it is very different to the other songs than it actually being anything amazing...
 
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this only delays me obtaining it for free william... it only delays it
 

Diablos

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Optimistic said:
Thanks for the impressions, Diablos. I have heard the four songs on the promo and I wasn't that impressed*, and I'm a huge Pumpkins/Corgan fan. But I'm liking the impressions of DIA. If the album only has one piece of genius on it, I'll still be happy. I still think Corgan's whole approach to the album is what's holding him back though. I mean, it's one thing for him to say that he wants to do something completely different to what he's done before, but that can still be done within the framework of a rock sound. But as he insists on going with the electronic/synth route, I would have hoped he'd have gotten someone else to do the beats, because quite frankly, the beats are totally shit on the songs I've heard from this album...anyway, until I have the album in my hands in its entirety I'll withhold judgement, but the songs I've heard give me hope for a very strong second solo album.

*A100 had a great chorus but relatively weak verses, Walking Shade had some great parts, but also some terrible ones (I like the videoclip though and it enhances the track IMO), Mina Loy I haven't listened to enough, and Now and Then...I actually like, but more because it is very different to the other songs than it actually being anything amazing...
The album is excellent. It's just really really different. I can't believe Corgan managed to significantly change his sound yet again. I thought Adore marked the end of that.
Songs like "I'm Ready" and "Pretty Pretty Star" have such a cool atmosphere to them. Sounds like music from another dimension or something, heh.
 
I'm in the middle of listening to it right now for the first time. So far I'm...fairly ambivalent about it. It's not bad, but it's by no means good either.

Mina Loy is a good track, TheCameraEye is GREAT (I really like the guitar especially), A100 and Walking Shade are solid, and I actually don't mind the cover of To Love Somebody (it's not good but I was expecting a total disaster). Also, Now (and then) is okay, but it's just a bit too sparse.

All Things Change just sucks, no two ways about it, and DIA isn't very good either, and I'm Ready sounds like Southpark's doing a parody of Corgan post Pumpkins ( :lol ). I'm currently up to Sorrows, and...I'm not liking the vocal delivery right now, it sounds terrible.

Of course, these are all initial impressions, aside from the tracks that were on the promo, so my opinions may change later...
 

Diablos

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Optimistic said:
I'm in the middle of listening to it right now for the first time. So far I'm...fairly ambivalent about it. It's not bad, but it's by no means good either.

Mina Loy is a good track, TheCameraEye is GREAT (I really like the guitar especially), A100 and Walking Shade are solid, and I actually don't mind the cover of To Love Somebody...after being exposed to the APC covers on eMotive I was ready for total disaster...it's better than every cover on that album, but that's not saying much heh. Also, Now (and then) is okay, but it's just a bit too sparse.

All Things Change just sucks, no two ways about it, and DIA isn't very good either, and I'm Ready sounds like Southpark's doing a parody of Corgan post Pumpkins ( :lol ). I'm currently up to Sorrows, and...I'm not liking the vocal delivery right now, it sounds terrible.

Of course, these are all initial impressions, aside from the tracks that were on the promo, so my opinions may change later...
You think DIA sucks?

Don't ever post in this thread again!!!
 
after listening to the entire album for the first time, i feel it is good. nothing GREAT about it, but i think it is superior to zwan.

on a somewhat related issue, i get the feeling that billy WANTS to rock hardcore again, and i think he will in the future.... embrace! LOLOLLLLLLLLLLL

but honestly (lol!) i think he will soon
 

Diablos

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
after listening to the entire album for the first time, i feel it is good. nothing GREAT about it, but i think it is superior to zwan.

on a somewhat related issue, i get the feeling that billy WANTS to rock hardcore again, and i think he will in the future.... embrace! LOLOLLLLLLLLLLL

but honestly (lol!) i think he will soon

Nothing great about it? Nothing great at all? You need to expand you horizons, son. Just because it doesn't sound like Siamese or Mellon Collie doesn't mean it sucks.

Billy wants to rock, but I think it's gonna be at least a couple years. SP getting back together is something he and Jimmy probably change their mind about on a daily basis.

But, getting back on topic - seriously, this is Billy's best work since 1998. The album has such an atmosphere to it. "I'm Ready" sounds like a South Park song? Wow. The first word that came to my mind was "euphoria." Anyway... this album IS great. Yall are smokin' crack.
 
Mina Loy

is

MOTHEREFFING AWESOME

I agree, it should have been the first single. More people would probably buy the album. I gave the rest of the songs a cursory listen, and wasn't too impressed. I suppose I had higher expectations. It's not bad, it just that nothing really stands out, and the songs seem very similar. I really wanted more songs that were upbeat, stronger tempo, guitars, etc.
 

Diablos

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Error Macro said:
Mina Loy

is

MOTHEREFFING AWESOME

I agree, it should have been the first single. More people would probably buy the album. I gave the rest of the songs a cursory listen, and wasn't too impressed. I suppose I had higher expectations. It's not bad, it just that nothing really stands out, and the songs seem very similar. I really wanted more songs that were upbeat, stronger tempo, guitars, etc.
The album is completely different than anything else you could buy this year.
It's not a matter of if it sounds the same, it's if the artist has done this a lot before, and the answer is no.

Besides, there's a considerably large difference between a lot of the songs...
 
I think... I was spoiled by hearing Mina Loy and Walking Shade from the 4-track sampler. I was expecting more songs like that. I've been skipping through the songs the past few minutes, and you're right, the songs are different from each other. I promise to listen to the album all the way through at least once this weekend. ;) I will buy the CD as well. It sounds like an album that will take a while for me to hear new things in the songs; for little parts to emerge and tickle my fancy.
 

Diablos

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Fuck Corgan, I'm currently rockin' to Cult of Skulls!

LMFAO, I can't believe these guys actually tried this hard.
 
I think The Camera Eye should have been the first single, with Mina Loy following it up.

Diablos said:
WHAT'S THIS??

TRYING TO KEEP YOUR B0lLY CRED???

OH NO.

;)

Aha, have you been to netphoria lately? B0lly cred is for loosers. :lol They all hate the album anyway whereas I, as an impartial connoisseur of the arts, do not.

Diablos said:
Nothing great about it? Nothing great at all? You need to expand you horizons, son. Just because it doesn't sound like Siamese or Mellon Collie doesn't mean it sucks.

Although this wasn't directed at me I'll respond to it anyway. I wasn't expecting it to sound like either of those albums, nor am I assessing the album on the grounds of how closely it sounds to them. It just isn't a great album, it has too many forgettable songs.
 

Koopa

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Hahahaha you have to be kidding, All 3 of Mr. Malkmus's solo albums are far greater in artistic scope and musical talent.
 

Koopa

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And secondly, Pavement are greater musicians then Corgan's rag tag group of hacks and dead junkies which became brilliantly engulfed in the piteous epidemic of a modern washed up pop culture denizen.
 

Diablos

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Koopa said:
And secondly, Pavement are greater musicians then Corgan's rag tag group of hacks and dead junkies which became brilliantly engulfed in the piteous epidemic of a modern washed up pop culture denizen.
No, they're not.

The fact that so many of you bedroom critic indie snobs attack Corgan on a constant basis only demonstrates that you're jealous of what he has accomplished. It pains you to know his undeniable creative artistic ability stole the spotlight from so many indie artists in the past. Get over it. Corgan even made a point to say in a Paste Magazine interview that the only difference between him and a lot of "indie" 90's bands was that the Pumpkins were more confident in their approach to handling a mainstream audience, whereas most other bands that had more of an "indie" mentality ran away from it. Hate SP all you want, but albums like Gish or Siamese Dream were not even close to what the modern rock standard was at the time, yet they managed to remain a popular band, but like lots of indie bands, did exactly what they wanted to do. If SP were a bunch of sellouts, they would've never released Adore after an album like Mellon Collie. It was basically (commerical) career suicide, but they didn't care. The music was always first.

If you hated him like you did every other musician you found to be insignificant, you'd say nothing. But you keep bitching and moaning as if it's going to shut every Pumpkins fan up in 2.2 seconds. I mean, I don't think much of the guys in Tool, and I voiced my opinion on that for a while, but you come to a point where it's like "who gives a fuck anymore?" But year after year after year, the usual suspects on this forum attack Corgan every single goddamn time. Every single time. It's getting old, guys.

Get over it, Corgan's a much more diverse and creative artist than Malkmus ever will be. Argue that he isn't what he used to be, fine, but at least he doesn't write shit like "do not feed the oysters under the ground." Watching Malkmus open for Radiohead was a truly boring experience. I wish Radiohead just took the stage the whole time.
 
pavement always has been and always will be a fucking joke. there is more musical talent in the sound of billy corgan jacking off onto a strippers tits than in malkmus' whole existence
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Billy's downfall is that he overproduces his shit. The album feels like the textures are far away, everything is layered in one big mess. There is a lot of good hooks Billy could have taken advantage of, and plenty of places where the synths could have really shined without his beat up vocals, but all of it sounds rather familiar. This album needed a much cleaner sound to it, it's far too dirty.

Nothing stands out in this parade of static, generic pop synths. It's ok for a few spins, but it won't stay in my playlist for long.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
pavement always has been and always will be a fucking joke. there is more musical talent in the sound of billy corgan jacking off onto a strippers tits than in malkmus' whole existence
:lol :lol :lol
Wow. People really don't know shit about music around here.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Koopa said:
And secondly, Pavement are greater musicians then Corgan's rag tag group of hacks and dead junkies which became brilliantly engulfed in the piteous epidemic of a modern washed up pop culture denizen.

I've been listening to Pavement for over a decade now, saw them on their last tour ever, etc. etc. but this is just a silly troll and I don't blame people here for reacting defensively.
 

Ollie Pooch

In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
holy shit, it gets boring listen to people get into an argument about music. there's no objective measure - if you don't like it, don't fucking listen to it, simple.

it's inevitable that every music thread will be derailed by the usual suspects - the painfully indie bedroom critics (as Diablos put it so well :p ) claiming their artist of choice is better, more talented, has more integrity, etc, etc, etc

it's painful when listening to music becomes some kind of competition... give it a rest!
 
Oh, I don't actually know why I jumped in. I just saw Pavement and Malkmus randomly mentioned, plus some hate regarding the two, so I thought I'd add a little unwelcome commentary.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
julls said:
holy shit, it gets boring listen to people get into an argument about music. there's no objective measure - if you don't like it, don't fucking listen to it, simple.

it's inevitable that every music thread will be derailed by the usual suspects - the painfully indie bedroom critics (as Diablos put it so well :p ) claiming their artist of choice is better, more talented, has more integrity, etc, etc, etc

it's painful when listening to music becomes some kind of competition... give it a rest!

Actually there are pseudo-critics in every music thread, indie or otherwise (most non-mainstream music threads I look at usually have one or two people saying something to the effect "oh great, more crappy music no one's heard of listened to by elitist assholes"), I think it's pointless as well but I hope at least someone's having fun with it.
 

Macam

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Cool kids never have the time.
 

Ollie Pooch

In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
enjoy bell woods said:
Oh, I don't actually know why I jumped in. I just saw Pavement and Malkmus randomly mentioned, plus some hate regarding the two, so I thought I'd add a little unwelcome commentary.

yeah, that's different to going into a thread just to tell everyone else how awful a particular artist is - i never understand that, to be honest.

i'm talking more about the 'this is fucking shit. you should listen to this other, completely unrelated artist' mentality - it's not the most productive way of getting people to discuss something :p
 
Diablos said:
No, they're not.

The fact that so many of you bedroom critic indie snobs attack Corgan on a constant basis only demonstrates that you're jealous of what he has accomplished. It pains you to know his undeniable creative artistic ability stole the spotlight from so many indie artists in the past. Get over it. Corgan even made a point to say in a Paste Magazine interview that the only difference between him and a lot of "indie" 90's bands was that the Pumpkins were more confident in their approach to handling a mainstream audience, whereas most other bands that had more of an "indie" mentality ran away from it. Hate SP all you want, but albums like Gish or Siamese Dream were not even close to what the modern rock standard was at the time, yet they managed to remain a popular band, but like lots of indie bands, did exactly what they wanted to do. If SP were a bunch of sellouts, they would've never released Adore after an album like Mellon Collie. It was basically (commerical) career suicide, but they didn't care. The music was always first.

If you hated him like you did every other musician you found to be insignificant, you'd say nothing. But you keep bitching and moaning as if it's going to shut every Pumpkins fan up in 2.2 seconds. I mean, I don't think much of the guys in Tool, and I voiced my opinion on that for a while, but you come to a point where it's like "who gives a fuck anymore?" But year after year after year, the usual suspects on this forum attack Corgan every single goddamn time. Every single time. It's getting old, guys.

Get over it, Corgan's a much more diverse and creative artist than Malkmus ever will be. Argue that he isn't what he used to be, fine, but at least he doesn't write shit like "do not feed the oysters under the ground." Watching Malkmus open for Radiohead was a truly boring experience. I wish Radiohead just took the stage the whole time.


*sigh*

Do me a favor and pull yourself away from Corgan's crotch for just a moment. After reading that post, it sounds like you need a breather. Go ahead, take a moment.

*waits for Diablos to come back*

Have a seat, son. You know, you made quite the scene up there.

*hands Diablos a cigarette*

Now that you're calm, I'm going to be frank. [/charles heston]

Billy Corgan sucks the big one. The man has incredible talent, but it isn't in music. It is in conning people like you into thinking he is anything but an average musician. It's great that you find him enjoyable, but when statements like "He's better than <insert... probaby someone that's better than him>" are made, you're going to rile up some people.

I take issue to your "jealous" statement. I don't think too many people here are jealous of him at all. Let's break it down shall we?

* The good-looks-genie avoided him completely for this lifetime

* There are exactly 8,327,119 persons on this planet more wealthy than him

* It's established among those following music for a much longer time than you or I that there are other musicians more talented than him. I would type the exact number, but I don't think I have the energy for so many keystrokes at this hour.

Sounds like someone whose shoes I wouldn't want to be in. I dare say I'd rather be in Malkmus shoes, if for no other reason than to know I don't have a fan in Diablos, and my music in fact scares him.

*statistical data obtained from Wolfgang Puck School of Culinary Arts
 
wow what a surprise, jackasses coming in to derail a pumpkins/billy thread. can't say i'm surprised, oh well. you think corgan is talentless fine, but how about NOT coming into billy corgan related threads when you know you dont like him? oh wait, that can't happen
 
Hey, in all fairness this thread started out innocently enough until Koopa opened the can o' you know what. All the same, the comments in this thread regarding Mr. Malkmus cannot go unavenged.

*shyly exposes Malkmus Militia member badge*
 

Koopa

Member
Holy shit, let me put some music on for this one.

Its funny im getting into a nother SM vs. Corgan, wtf is this, 1998? All it comes down to is Corgan's lack of discernment. He cant be original and he portrays his music as something of a stately fruition

Malkmus and Spiral on the otherhand took it for what it was. Its someones thoughts and opinions expressed with a melody and personal feelings.

Its doesnt matter tho, I have thought about it long and hard, even on shrooms and the best answer I end with is that it doesnt matter. Malkmus doesnt want to have the smear of indie rock, he just wants his music to be his, not subjected to the stains of anyone elses. He never got a fair deal being indie and labeled would of turned his music in to something lamented, and even the same for indie stigma.

Corgan's a implement, used to please our torpid society.
 
This is retarded. Anyone who seriously denies the GENIUS that was Siamese Dream and to a lesser extent MCIS, is a fucking idiot, plain and simple. You may not like either album, but to say both aren't any good and that Corgan wasn't a brilliant musician is completely fucking stupid.

The quality of his other albums is debatable (althugh I'd personally put Adore right up there), but seriously, jesus fucking christ.

And what the fuck is this? -

It's established among those following music for a much longer time than you or I that there are other musicians more talented than him. I would type the exact number, but I don't think I have the energy for so many keystrokes at this hour.

Who are these people, and why are their opinions upon music more valid than anyone elses? Well done on writing a completely ludicrous and transparent attempt to stir the pot. :lol
 
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