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Blu Ray Players to "punish" hackers? Possible PS3 implementation?

The PS2 is no Dreamcast or Xbox, but the console was hacked and violated like a prostitute in Vietnam war time. --5 dulla--

According to this article , it says those who 'hack' the player (the term 'hack' is used vaguely btw) will be prevent further use of the DVD player altogether.

Being that the PS3 is using the blu-ray format, I think there is a feasible chance that something like that (in some way/shape/form) could be used on the PS3.

If this was mentioned before than I didn't notice, I searched "blu ray" and didn't see anything directly related. Regardless it was news to me so some may still find it as new info.
 
Gek54 said:
Why would you connect a standalone player to the internet?

Because you need to before you can play your bluraydiscs. Kinda like Half Life 2 and the steam activation?

Anyway, they'll find a way around it. They allways do.
 
If the PS2 as a console is 'hacked and violated like a prostitute in Vietnam war time', what then is the Xbox? I wouldn't be shocked to hear that 30-40% of every Xbox sold is modded.
 
Wollan said:
If the PS2 as a console i 'hacked and violated like a prostitute in Vietnam war time', what then is the Xbox? I wouldn't be shocked to hear that 30-40% of every Xbox sold is modded.

A vietcong prostitue, I don't know.

I was watching Southpark when I made this thread. Cartman forgives me :lol
 
Jesus all the most horrible anti-piracy tricks all rolled up in one...and I thought xbox punishment was harsh. I really dont want to have to buy a PS3 for every region.
 
Gek54 said:
Jesus all the most horrible anti-piracy tricks all rolled up in one...and I thought xbox punishment was harsh. I really dont want to have to buy a PS3 for every region.

The amount of people (the you's in the world) who mod a console to get imports is next to zero in comparison to those who use it to pirate games. Can't blame Sony, or MS for pushing property protection further (even if it is just a little speed bump for hackers)
 
I doubt they will implement this on the PS3, not everyone has an internet connection nor a wireless connection.

And connecting everytime you want to watch a movie to check if its hacked?? Thats good in THEORY... in theory COMMUNISM WORK... in Theory... but not very practical.
 
EGM92 said:
Thats good in THEORY... in theory COMMUNISM WORK... in Theory... but not very practical.

Uh, not really a great example as it went out of vogue in intellectual circles with the advent of contemporary game theory and bargaining strategies, etc.

And, back to the Blu-Ray question, why shouldn't it be an allways connected device? It's not like the check will be resource heavy and it's not like the average consumer sitting on a 6MBit cable connection in the US is really tapped for bandwith constantly, lets start using it.
 
Vince said:
Uh, not really a great example as it went out of vogue in intellectual circles with the advent of contemporary game theory and bargaining strategies, etc.

And, back to the Blu-Ray question, why shouldn't it be an allways connected device? It's not like the check will be resource heavy and it's not like the average consumer sitting on a 6MBit cable connection in the US is really tapped for bandwith constantly, lets start using it.


Do you have an internet connection in your living room? or media room, not everyone does. It would be a problem for many who do not have ethernet cables running inside the walls of their house. Or if it requires a wireless connection, this brings out a whole new set of problems ie: Security. Consumers who do not have wireless networks will see it as an inconvience to buy a router, and other required hardware.
 
EGM92 said:
I doubt they will implement this on the PS3, not everyone has an internet connection nor a wireless connection.

And connecting everytime you want to watch a movie to check if its hacked?? Thats good in THEORY... in theory COMMUNISM WORK... in Theory... but not very practical.

If they don't implement it on the PS3 then you won't be watching BluRay movies on your PS3. This is the copy protection system for BluRay movies and if you don't like it, tough. HD-DVD is using a similar system.
 
I'll support almost any anti-piracy measures but what pisses me off is that some people genuinely only want to chip a console to play legitimate imports. I'm going to be up shit creek next gen because about 3/4 of my DVD collection is region 1 or region 3. If I can only use region 2 DVDs (HD or blu-ray) then I doubt I'll bother buying any.
 
Milhouse31 said:
because it would be mandatory to play a movie

No way that holds up, if they want to even sniff mainsttream acceptance of blu-ray :lol

the average consumer would not put up with the inconvenience.
 
G4life98 said:
No way that holds up, if they want to even sniff mainsttream acceptance of blu-ray :lol

the average consumer would not put up with the inconvenience.

The average consumer won't even know. Hell, the average consumer is so dirt stupid they don't even know they're computer is on the internet when they're browsing the web.
 
Sony took Nintendo's lead with the PSP and made games regionless. Hopefully they'll do the same with consoles and make region protection easily defeatable (as opposed to copyright protection), or just don't put any in at all like they did with the PSP.
 
hooo said:
Sony took Nintendo's lead with the PSP and made games regionless. Hopefully they'll do the same with consoles and make region protection easily defeatable (as opposed to copyright protection), or just don't put any in at all like they did with the PSP.

It'll never happen with console games.

And PSP movies are still region coded.
 
I think nintendo purposly made the GC easy to mod for improrts, but hard to pirate. Pretty cool of them actually. As for the movie industry tracking all the movies I watch, FU.

/hides p0rn in closet so no-one can see!


...mmm Blu Ray porn...
 
I think they'll release patches with games that force you to upgrade the firmware of the console. Making it harder to crack. Kind of like the PSP and its firmware upgrades.
 
ManaByte said:
The average consumer won't even know. Hell, the average consumer is so dirt stupid they don't even know they're computer is on the internet when they're browsing the web.

and thats the problem for blu-ray and all of these draconian drm and anti-piracy systems, they really dont stop real pirates and they only provide frustration for normal consumers.
As much I love blu-ray, it is no way I would re-arrange a room just to get the thing near my internet connection, its just not worth the hassle.
 
G4life98 said:
No way that holds up, if they want to even sniff mainsttream acceptance of blu-ray :lol

the average consumer would not put up with the inconvenience.

Wait it's not the worst anti-piracy features of the bunch.
Disabling your hardware because it wasn't deem secure enough (no more movies or games on your PS3) by the server is gonna cause riot.


And all this is standard security measure. That's mean it's in the current blu-ray specification and mandatory.
 
G4life98 said:
and thats the problem for blu-ray and all of these draconian drm and anti-piracy systems, they really dont stop real pirates and they only provide frustration for normal consumers.
As much I love blu-ray, it is no way I would re-arrange a room just to get the thing near my internet connection, its just not worth the hassle.

U might as well change that to as much as u like high-def because pretty much any new format will have to fall in with Hollywood's demands or movies wont be released for it.
 
Kinda off topic but what the hey..

Does Microsoft have some sort of security feature to block pirated Xbox 1 games being played on the 360? (Seeing as though it can play DVD-Rs and RWs)

It'd seem pretty stupid not to implement such a feature considering their competitors stance on pirating.
 
rc213 said:
U might as well change that to as much as u like high-def because pretty much any new format will have to fall in with Hollywood's demands or movies wont be released for it.

I can do without, if thats the price i have to pay :lol

If they cant suit a product to consumer needs, then fuck'em :D
 
rc213 said:
U might as well change that to as much as u like high-def because pretty much any new format will have to fall in with Hollywood's demands or movies wont be released for it.

Exactly. The swift push for the new formats is, IMO, more about DRM than hi-def/hi-capacity media. The incremental improvements that will come with the new formats is only to get it sold to the consumer. The faster everyone moves from DVD to the new discs, the happier Hollywood will be.
 
Checking through the internet sounds like not a very secure method of security, i'd imagine hackers would do like GC's PSOIII and fool the PS3 to think it's connected to the site it needs to reach then like magic h4xx0r3d.
 
wouldn't this just piss people off who don't have a handy internet connection, or don't have broadband?

Why alienate a whole section of customers?
 
ManaByte said:
It'll never happen with console games.

And PSP movies are still region coded.

It did with the Gamecube. I mean really, how could making the difference between a US system and a Jp system a single 0 ohm resistor not be intentional. The Saturn also had easy to crack region protection that was different from the copyright, and of course the N64 just used a different shape of plastic.
 
Firstly I thought it was illegal to region code handheld games. If Sony could get away with it they would.

Secondly I think this would be implemented in a more PSP style than anything else. With updates coming on new discs you purchase. The point is that the Blu-Ray drives will be software upgradeable whereas DVD drives weren't and thus only had one level of security which when broken is it.

I for one will now not be buying a PS3 (I was borderline as it is) as I do not agree with Sony's protection policies. In fact I find it amazing that despite treating the customer like crap that we do keep buying their stuff.
 
The Friendly Monster said:
Firstly I thought it was illegal to region code handheld games. If Sony could get away with it they would.
It's not illegal. Why would it be?

PSP games are international because people travel with their PSPs. A lot. Region coding them would lead to a public relations nightmare.
 
Xenon said:
Didn't they try this shit with Divx(not the codec). That went over really well =P
Yup, had to "verify" the movie or something over a net connection, to allow playback.

I imagine this is a load of FUD, BluRay players won't require an active internet connection, the format would be dead in the water.
 
It's funny, cause if hollywood gets all the protections they want, they will have crippled the hi-def home video market before it even got started. :lol
 
piracy sells systems.

more systems sold brings in more developers.

more developers brings in more, legit, consumers.

Sony is not that stupid.
 
Vince said:
Uh, not really a great example as it went out of vogue in intellectual circles with the advent of contemporary game theory and bargaining strategies, etc.


Dude, it's a Simpsons quote.
 
DCharlie said:
wouldn't this just piss people off who don't have a handy internet connection, or don't have broadband?

Why alienate a whole section of customers?

My point EXACTLY! I can't edit my posts so I just waited till someone else posted it :D



Fatghost28 said:
Dude, it's a Simpsons quote.

:lol :lol :lol Thanks for picking up on that, it's actually one of my favorite quotes and have always wanted to use it.
 
Society said:
piracy sells systems.

more systems sold brings in more developers.

more developers brings in more, legit, consumers.

Sony is not that stupid.

That may be all well and good (in which I don't really believe), they lose money on the hardware and make profit on software sales, so some pirating asses aren't helping any.
 
hooo said:
It did with the Gamecube. I mean really, how could making the difference between a US system and a Jp system a single 0 ohm resistor not be intentional. The Saturn also had easy to crack region protection that was different from the copyright, and of course the N64 just used a different shape of plastic.

You cannot play Japanese games on a US Gamecube without modifying the system, thus they are region encoded.
 
ManaByte said:
You cannot play Japanese games on a US Gamecube without modifying the system, thus they are region encoded.

But, the point is that the mod was so easy that it is tantamount to nintendo giving the pass on imports.
 
Wollan said:
If the PS2 as a console is 'hacked and violated like a prostitute in Vietnam war time', what then is the Xbox? I wouldn't be shocked to hear that 30-40% of every Xbox sold is modded.

Eh? Where did you get that number from?
 
So seriously? a company has big and market savvy has sony and the blu ray alliance would make a system that couldnt' play movies unless you could get it to connect to the internet ? Fuck that noise. Sure I have a broadband internet connection and my gaming/movie room has access to an ethernet connection AND I have never modded a gaming console in my life but if this is whats gonna happen to make something has simple has watching a film so overly complicated I'll just wait until the pirates STILL manage to crack these defenses and HD movie rips are online to watch on your computer if I even still 2 shits.

I'd honestly go so far as to call this the worst anti piracy idea in history- even stupider then cd crack protection on games like PCCD farcry that prevent it from being played on half the drives available.

This is a case where I hope the industry loses billions of dollars wasting time with this and still watches it crumble beneath their feet has pirates still find a way.

I mean I'm sure I recall reading something about player disabling months ago at GAF but I thought they'd rejected the idea becuase customers would wind up returning a perfectly functioning player that had been locked out... and the lawsuits that would happen.

But yeah, if this is really the case , count me out of the hi def movie generation. I'm voting with my dollar over here.
 
G4life98 said:
But, the point is that the mod was so easy that it is tantamount to nintendo giving the pass on imports.

The fact that it's a very small difference doesn't mean nintendo is being nice to people who play games from multiple regions. I'm sure they did it for their own needs, so all of their plants could manufacture both systems based on demand
 
Society said:
piracy sells systems.

more systems sold brings in more developers.

more developers brings in more, legit, consumers.

Sony is not that stupid.

Certainly not as dumb as that comment. There is absolutely NO hardware manufacturer, publisher, or developer that believes that Piracy has any positive effects. It's a crutch used by many for either explaining why the PSOne and PS2 and Xbox have sold well, or to make pirates themselves feel better about theft.

It's a bullshit line.

Also, expect Microsoft to be, at least as severe as this, regarding piracy as they can. That's why no third party accessories are allowed for most of the system. They want it closed off.

Back to Blu-Ray, it's quite possible that you will need to have an internet or some direct dial connection) to watch a movie in high-def or else you'll be downgraded to SD quality movies. (TIVO requires it). Similar to how you'll need a TV that accepts HDMI or no go. It's a lot to ask, but you're already asking people to buy an HDTV, and they're essentially putting master level quality on the disc. They DO NOT want 1080p copies of every single title out there floating on peer to peer networks.
 
G4life98 said:
But, the point is that the mod was so easy that it is tantamount to nintendo giving the pass on imports.

Nintendo systems were always easy to modify. The SNES and N64 were really just a physical mod on the hardware to allow the carts to fit in. It's nothing new for Nintendo, and no they are NOT "giving the pass" on imports.
 
possibly no piracy on ps3 because no one can peer to peer share a 50gig file. would take months. never happen.
 
sonycowboy said:
Certainly not as dumb as that comment. There is absolutely NO hardware manufacturer, publisher, or developer that believes that Piracy has any positive effects. It's a crutch used by many for either explaining why the PSOne and PS2 and Xbox have sold well, or to make pirates themselves feel better about theft.

It's a bullshit line.

Also, expect Microsoft to be, at least as severe as this, regarding piracy as they can. That's why no third party accessories are allowed for most of the system. They want it closed off.

Back to Blu-Ray, it's quite possible that you will need to have an internet or some direct dial connection) to watch a movie in high-def or else you'll be downgraded to SD quality movies. (TIVO requires it). Similar to how you'll need a TV that accepts HDMI or no go. It's a lot to ask, but you're already asking people to buy an HDTV, and they're essentially putting master level quality on the disc. They DO NOT want 1080p copies of every single title out there floating on peer to peer networks.



Seriously, how people seemingly put the spin on how piracy is actually a good thing just shows how transparent they are...


Sony loses money on each consoles sold. They make profit on royalties.

You say developers will make a game for a console that has a lot of sold units--sure, but these various game development companies also keep track on how the systems doing in all facets. Power, availability, pricing, region penetration, piracy issues etc.

So if 10 million PS3's are sold and 8 million of which are in Honk Kong (exagerrated figures to get my point across) Publisher A is not going to give a ****, to them--those 8 million units sold might as well not exist. Nobody benefits from it.

Concerning Microsoft, I read a press release where they were putting so and so amounts of copyright protection code (or some shit) on each game. This also ushered in the same fear (in that same press release/article) that the 360's medium might not be enough to hold high-def games.

In anycase, excluding China, the Xbox probably had the highest 'console mod' rate than either the PS2 or GC. For one, it was damn easy, and it happened damn early. Next (and more importantly) you can do so many cool things by modding an XBox that it became a feature in itself for many potential buyers (who were obviously in the know)

Having said that I'm sure Microsoft doesn't want to make the most "pirated console" of next-gen and amp up the copyright protection.
 
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