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[Kabuki Waq]

Bonds believes steroids no big deal


Associated Press



3/4/2005

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) - Barry Bonds still believes baseball has far more important issues to discuss than steroid use, although the San Francisco Giants slugger is saddened by stories of children using performance-enhancing substances.

In an informal conversation with reporters from the Oakland Tribune and ESPN in the Giants' spring training locker room Thursday, Bonds restated many of the same positions on steroids, records and the media that he voiced in a news conference last week.

He also repeated his position on performance-enhancing substances: They're not a big deal.

''You're talking about something that wasn't even illegal at the time,'' Bonds said. ''All this stuff about supplements, protein shakes, whatever.

''Man, it's not like this is the Olympics . . . We're entertainers. If I can't go out there and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me.

''So we all make mistakes. We all do things. We need to turn the page. We need to forget about the past and let us play the game. We're entertainers. Let us entertain.''
But Bonds showed concern for children involved in steroids.
''It busts me up when they show some teenager who has been on steroids and his life is suddenly messed up,'' Bonds said. ''It's the parents' job to be a parent to that kid.

''I tell my boy (Nikolai), if I see you doing steroids, I'll bust you up. And I mean it.''

Bonds didn't say he had used steroids - and he also said his head hasn't grown and his testicles haven't shrunk in recent years. Certain hormones can cause head growth, while shrunken testicles can be a side effect of anabolic steroids.

''What's all this about my head size?'' Bonds asked. ''My hat size is the same today as when I started.

''My head hasn't grown. I've always been a 7 1-4 to a 7 3-8 my whole career. You can go check. I can tell you my testicles are the same size. They haven't shrunk. They're the same and work just the same as they always have.''

Bonds, who has 703 career homers, underwent arthroscopic knee surgery Jan. 31, and isn't expected to play until later in the Cactus League schedule. The Giants believe he'll be back to full strength by opening day, when he'll resume his chase of Babe Ruth (714) and Hank Aaron (755) on baseball's career homers list.


:lol :lol :lol

 

[belgurdo]

''Man, it's not like this is the Olympics . . . We're entertainers. If I can't go out there and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me.

So he's basically openly advocating drug use as a means to maximize your game, and that the fans want this? This would make for a nice passage in one of those "are athletes good for role modelling?" debates

 

[Eminem]

i hate him so much. arrogant prick.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

so he goes from "I HAVE NEVER USED STEROIDS" to "What are steroids?" to now "Hey they weren't even technically illegal at the time anyway!"

 

[Meier]

Such a douche.

 

[Loki]

Yeah, he's really made himself look bad (worse?) the past couple of weeks.

 

[peedi]

Bonds believes steroids no big deal


Associated Press



3/4/2005

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) - Barry Bonds still believes baseball has far more important issues to discuss than steroid use, although the San Francisco Giants slugger is saddened by stories of children using performance-enhancing substances.

In an informal conversation with reporters from the Oakland Tribune and ESPN in the Giants' spring training locker room Thursday, Bonds restated many of the same positions on steroids, records and the media that he voiced in a news conference last week.

He also repeated his position on performance-enhancing substances: They're not a big deal.

''You're talking about something that wasn't even illegal at the time,'' Bonds said. ''All this stuff about supplements, protein shakes, whatever.

''Man, it's not like this is the Olympics . . . We're entertainers. If I can't go out there and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me.

''So we all make mistakes. We all do things. We need to turn the page. We need to forget about the past and let us play the game. We're entertainers. Let us entertain.''
But Bonds showed concern for children involved in steroids.
''It busts me up when they show some teenager who has been on steroids and his life is suddenly messed up,'' Bonds said. ''It's the parents' job to be a parent to that kid.

''I tell my boy (Nikolai), if I see you doing steroids, I'll bust you up. And I mean it.''

Bonds didn't say he had used steroids - and he also said his head hasn't grown and his testicles haven't shrunk in recent years. Certain hormones can cause head growth, while shrunken testicles can be a side effect of anabolic steroids.

''What's all this about my head size?'' Bonds asked. ''My hat size is the same today as when I started.

''My head hasn't grown. I've always been a 7 1-4 to a 7 3-8 my whole career. You can go check. I can tell you my testicles are the same size. They haven't shrunk. They're the same and work just the same as they always have.''

Bonds, who has 703 career homers, underwent arthroscopic knee surgery Jan. 31, and isn't expected to play until later in the Cactus League schedule. The Giants believe he'll be back to full strength by opening day, when he'll resume his chase of Babe Ruth (714) and Hank Aaron (755) on baseball's career homers list.


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Where does he say, "No big deal yo!"? Or was that your take on black speak? I don't think I've ever heard Bonds speak like your average innercity youth.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Where does he say, "No big deal yo!"? Or was that your take on black speak? I don't think I've ever heard Bonds speak like your average innercity youth.

I just summarized the article. Dont be so sensitive. I know he doesnt say "YO", doesnt make him any less of a juicing idiot.

 

[peedi]

The obsession some of you have with Bonds borders on masturbatory. Where were the same concerned patrons of baseball when Maguire became a steroids monkey? Where was the hue and cry when he visibly beefed up in record time? Why do I have the feeling this furor is fueled by racism? Am I paranoid? I don't think so. Bonds is suspected of steroid use, which may contribute to his record setting homers, and senators intervene. The same senators who remained silent when Maguire, in 1998, eclipsed Maris. America's favorite "pastime" is being tainted by the negro. We have to act.

 

[Boogie]

Yeah, he's really made himself look bad (worse?) the past couple of weeks.

Hey, Loki's been re-tagged already? No fair! ;P

Although perhaps appropriate, since you managed to avoid getting one for so long before you became the Count of Concision.

I like this new one better though

 

[Ninja Scooter]

difference: Bonds ADMITTED to steroid use of some sort, Big Mac has always been suspected, but never has stated it. Also Bonds is black and we don't like black people.

 

[Boogie]

The obsession some of you have with Bonds borders on masturbatory. Where were the same concerned patrons of baseball when Maguire became a steroids monkey? Where was the hue and cry when he visibly beefed up in record time? Why do I have the feeling this furor is fueled by racism? Am I paranoid? I don't think so. Bonds is suspected of steroid use, which may contribute to his record setting homers, and senators intervene. The same senators who remained silent when Maguire, in 1998, eclipsed Maris. America's favorite "pastime" is being tainted by the negro. We have to act.

FIGHT THE POWER

 

[belgurdo]

The obsession some of you have with Bonds borders on masturbatory. Where were the same concerned patrons of baseball when Maguire became a steroids monkey? Where was the hue and cry when he visibly beefed up in record time? Why do I have the feeling this furor is fueled by racism? Am I paranoid? I don't think so. Bonds is suspected of steroid use, which may contribute to his record setting homers, and senators intervene. The same senators who remained silent when Maguire, in 1998, eclipsed Maris. America's favorite "pastime" is being tainted by the negro. We have to act.

It just irks me to see a guy in his position be so vocal yet hypocritical about what he's doing.

(btw, Bonds already tried the racism angle similar to what you're doing. He was rightfully ignored)

edit: Ninja Scooter said it better

 

[peedi]

difference: Bonds ADMITTED to steroid use of some sort, Big Mac has always been suspected, but never has stated it.

There's a huge difference in the response both men have received for their alleged use. Maguire was cheered, while Bonds was jeered. Maguire was venerated, while Bonds has become a target of hysteria.

Also Bonds is black and we don't like black people

I know you were being facetious, but it skirts the issue. There is definitely latent racism at play here.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

The obsession some of you have with Bonds borders on masturbatory. Where were the same concerned patrons of baseball when Maguire became a steroids monkey? Where was the hue and cry when he visibly beefed up in record time? Why do I have the feeling this furor is fueled by racism? Am I paranoid? I don't think so. Bonds is suspected of steroid use, which may contribute to his record setting homers, and senators intervene. The same senators who remained silent when Maguire, in 1998, eclipsed Maris. America's favorite "pastime" is being tainted by the negro. We have to act.

what does this have to do with the article?

Does bond come off as an Idiot ? yes

Is it obvious he has done steroids? Yes


Why are you defending him for no reason? Its like defending Bin Laden by saying "hey atleast he isnt hitler"

 

[Eminem]

I know you were being facetious, but it skirts the issue. There is definitely latent racism at play here.

YES, BECAUSE WHEN WHITEBOY JASON GIAMBI ADMITTED TO USING STEROIDS HE WASN'T PISSED ALL OVER BY THE MEDIA AND FANS, RIGHT?


if you're gonna play the race card, explain that one.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Why compare him to anyone?


Just on his own do his actions not disgust you?

 

[peedi]

It just irks me to see a guy in his position be so vocal yet hypocritical about what he's doing.

(btw, Bonds already tried the racism angle similar to what you're doing. He was rightfully ignored)

edit: Ninja Scooter said it better

Of course he was ignored. White America doesn't like its ugly facade being shoved in front of a mirror. The idolatry of black celebrity is fine, as long as those negro icons toe the line. When one of them resists the power structure that afforded them their place in the glamorous echelons of celebrity, they're "ignored."

Don't talk about Bonds' hypocrisy. Speak on the hypocrisy of a nation now incensed over the possibility that baseball players may be "juicing up," a nation that had no problem with Maguire breaking Maris' record while under a similar cloud of suspicion.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

kill whitey!!!!! fight the power peedi!

 

[MC Safety]

YES, BECAUSE WHEN WHITEBOY JASON GIAMBI ADMITTED TO USING STEROIDS HE WASN'T PISSED ALL OVER BY THE MEDIA AND FANS, RIGHT?


if you're gonna play the race card, explain that one.

As far as I know, Jason Giambi didn't break the single-season home run record or threaten to overtake both Hammering Hank and The Babe -- both of whom needed no steroids to do what they did -- in terms of most home runs hit in a career.

Nor did Giambi come out and make 10 different conflicting statements about his drug use.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

ok even if their was racism involved with maguire or whatever......why the hell are you using it as a crutch to defend Bonds?


ok i will give you an example if a white guy and a black guy both rape torture and murder different 5 year old girls and after the Trial the white guy gets off because he is white ....would you then still want the black guy to get off free too regardless of the crime he commited?

 

[Boogie]

Between this and the "Will there ever be peace between Israelis and the Palestinians" Thread, I think it safe to write off peedi as a fringe nutbar who can't be reasoned with.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

also, isn't the all-time homerun record held by A NEGRO!???!!!!!! holy shit call selig! BASEBALL OR ANY OTHER AMERICAN SPORT WONT STAND FOR BLACKY IN OUR RECORD BOOKS!

 

[Eminem]

As far as I know, Jason Giambi didn't break the single-season home run record or threaten to overtake both Hammering Hank and The Babe -- both of whom needed no steroids to do what they did -- in terms of most home runs hit in a career.

Nor did Giambi come out and make 10 different conflicting statements about his drug use.

...I'm not exactly sure what your point is here. My point was that a white player, nowhere near Bonds in ability or popularity, recieved just as much, if not more, criticism as Bonds when he admitted to using steroids.
If this hate on Bonds is a race issue, then why the hell did a white player recieve the exact same treatment?

 

[peedi]

ok even if their was racism involved with maguire or whatever......why the hell are you using it as a crutch to defend Bonds?


ok i will give you an example if a white guy and a black guy both rape torture and murder different 5 year old girls and after the Trial the white guy gets off because he is white ....would you then still want the black guy to get off free too regardless of the crime he commited?

Nowhere in my words should you construe a defense of Bonds. I'm charging that the disparity in their respective treatment leads me to believe that racist undercurrents drive this campaign to root steroids from baseball. It's an attack on Black celebrity.

I'm not even sure how one is to respond to your second question. How is that pertinent to the discussion at hand? To even suggest that I would want a murderous rapist to get off is ignorant.

 

[Eminem]

peedi, will you respond to my giambi argument?

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

peedi how about the fact that Sosa wasn't accussed of steroids during big macs time either?

oh wait sosa is white

 

[Kabuki Waq]

oh wait is this Futami?

 

[MC Safety]

...I'm not exactly sure what your point is here. My point was that a white player, nowhere near Bonds in ability or popularity, recieved just as much, if not more, criticism as Bonds when he admitted to using steroids.
If this hate on Bonds is a race issue, then why the hell did a white player recieve the exact same treatment?

Oops. Not being a diehard sports fan, I thought it was generally believed that Giambi got less harsh treatment than Bonds.

Anyway, while I'm posting in this sports-related thread, can someone repost the picture of Barry Bonds' baseball card when he wasn't all steroided up?

 

[Eminem]

from that to:

 

[peedi]

If we're going to call into question Bonds' records, let's place an asterisk next to every record holder that played during the 60 years negros weren't allowed to play baseball. Let's really get to the heart of the matter here. These were records that were established while the BEST players of the game weren't even allowed to sit in the stands. What they're doing to Bonds is beyond ugly.

 

[Archaix]

You see! His head hasn't gotten any bigger than in the first or third pictures there!

Oh...

You don't say...

A helmet, then?

Okay, I retract my argument.

 

[Willco]

If we're going to call into question Bonds' records, let's place an asterisk next to every record holder that played during the 60 years negros weren't allowed to play basketball. Let's really get to the heart of the matter here. These were records that were established while the BEST players of the game weren't even allowed to sit in the stands. What they're doing to Bonds is beyond ugly.

Let's not.

 

[Eminem]

If we're going to call into question Bonds' records, let's place an asterisk next to every record holder that played during the 60 years negros weren't allowed to play basketball. Let's really get to the heart of the matter here. These were records that were established while the BEST players of the game weren't even allowed to sit in the stands. What they're doing to Bonds is beyond ugly.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Shinobi]

I can tell you my testicles are the same size. They haven't shrunk. They're the same and work just the same as they always have.''

:lol :lol :lol Bonds rocks...

The obsession some of you have with Bonds borders on masturbatory. Where were the same concerned patrons of baseball when Maguire became a steroids monkey? Where was the hue and cry when he visibly beefed up in record time? Why do I have the feeling this furor is fueled by racism? Am I paranoid? I don't think so. Bonds is suspected of steroid use, which may contribute to his record setting homers, and senators intervene. The same senators who remained silent when Maguire, in 1998, eclipsed Maris. America's favorite "pastime" is being tainted by the negro. We have to act.

There's plenty of truth to this...it's something I've been saying for a while. That said, Bonds has been an arrogant cunt to the media, so he can't really be surprised that they're looking for anyway possible to string him up. But you've gotta be dumber then shit to think there isn't at least some hypocrisy based on racial lines here.

difference: Bonds ADMITTED to steroid use of some sort, Big Mac has always been suspected, but never has stated it. Also Bonds is black and we don't like black people.

Wrongo. Bonds I think would be given a bigger break by fans (if not the media) if he came clean ala Giambi. Nobody outside of New York gives a shit about Giambi anymore, simply for that reason. Furthermore, McGuire admitted to using andro in the middle of that silly home run chase after a journalist saw some of it in his locker. After that he wasn't touched again.

Also, let's not be full of shit about this...people who talk about Bonds and his roid use point to his size at the start of his career, and his size the last few years. And yeah, the difference makes it obvious to anyone with the slightest clue that something is up. But it isn't any different to McGuire...his change in size from the beginning to the end of his career was just as big, if not bigger. So you can't have it both ways.

peedi how about the fact that Sosa wasn't accussed of steroids during big macs time either?

oh wait sosa is white

Accusing Sosa would've also meant accusing McGuire ya dope. Come on, that wasn't hard to figure out.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

There's a huge difference in the response both men have received for their alleged use. Maguire was cheered, while Bonds was jeered. Maguire was venerated, while Bonds has become a target of hysteria.

cheered? Really? I must have missed the "Big Mac's on Roids" parade back in '98. He was cheered because, along with Sammy Sosa (OMG A NON-WHITE MAN!), he brought some excitement back into baseball after the strike with the HR chase. There has ALWAYS been suspicions of roids in big, muscular football and baseball players like McGuire and Canseco, but if you have NOTHING to go on, its not gonna become a hotly debated issue. Hell, same thing happened with Bonds and Giambi 3-4 years ago. You don't think a lot of people, in the back of their minds, thought there was something fishy going on about the 2 of them? But when both players have come out and admitted some kind of steroid involvement, that gets the ball rolling BIG TIME, as you can see. Big Mac has only really been implicated recently, by Canseco's book, as being a steroid user. Who do you think is going to draw more attention? A guy who is still actively playing and chasing down countless historic records, or a guy who has been retired for 5 years, is sitting out on some golf course somewhere, and doesn't hardly ever speak to the media?

But yeah, just keep hiding behind the race card, i mean, you're probably right. White america is just trying to hold Barry down because they don't want to see him break the last great white baseball reco-

ok nevermind.

 

[Rocket9]

If only there was steroids for the brain

 

[Meier]

You gotta love it when people pull the race card on Bonds -- it's nothing short of hysterical. People hate him because this guy was an asshole his entire career on top of being a cheater.

 

[Shinobi]

I don't call any roid user a cheater...not their fault baseball was too fucking stupid to test for it, despite being told of the problem over a decade ago.

Now if you've used it the last few years with the new measures in place, I'd call you a cheater. Otherwise prior to those measures is fair game, as long as you could acquire it legally.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

peedi is a joke character incase you haven't figured it out

you got me this time friend

 

[cvxfreak]

My brother's hero... hah. What a load of crock.

 

[Shinobi]

peedi is a joke character incase you haven't figured it out

you got me this time friend

Own3d.

Er wait...guess that means all you whiteys will be ganging up on me!

 

[peedi]

Own3d.

Er wait...guess that means all you whiteys will be ganging up on me!

I'm no "joke character." A charge like that is the only recourse of someone absent the faculties to make an attempt at refuting what I've said. Speak on the hypocrisy, the inconsistencies, and the historical ramifications.

BTW, this isn't directed towards you, Shinobi.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I'm no "joke character." A charge like that is the only recourse of someone absent the faculties to make an attempt at refuting what I've said. Speak on the hypocrisy, the inconsistencies, and the historical ramifications.

:lol

isn't bonds trying to break the record that is currently held by a black man?

 

[Dilbert]

I'm no "joke character." A charge like that is the only recourse of someone absent the faculties to make an attempt at refuting what I've said. Speak on the hypocrisy, the inconsistencies, and the historical ramifications.

You're being watched.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

.......by the white man.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

know your enemy! there he is fellas... watching... waiting!

 

[NWO]

:lol

isn't bonds trying to break the record that is currently held by a black man?

Yes.

And Ken Griffey Jr was the most popular player back in the 1990s before he got hurt and he was black. But I'm sure these people throwing out the race card will find some way to spin that. :lol

And why can't anybody in this thread even spell Mark McGwire's name correctly? I mean somebody posted pics of cards with his name on the front and they still couldn't spell it correctly.....

 

[The Faceless Master]

:lol

isn't bonds trying to break the record that is currently held by a black man?

but he has to pass babe to get there... maybe they dont want another black guy ahead of babe!!!

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

i wasn't sure how to spell McGwire's name correctly, that is why i referred to him as big mac all throughout the thread