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"Boomerang" generation comes home to roost



After at least five years of media hype warning that a tectonic societal shift was slowly taking place, it has hit home. Millions of parents who used to worry vaguely about what they'd do when their kids fled the nest are now fretting about the opposite: how to get them to leave.

An estimated 18 million fledgling adults are now out of college but not out on their own. Parental nests are packed with offspring whose costly college educations so far have not equipped them to assume the traditional markers of adulthood: moving out on their own, finding jobs good enough to support themselves and, down the line, establishing their own families.

Reasons for their return

Social scientists have blamed this "boomerang" syndrome on a variety of economic factors: a tight job market, low salaries for entry-level jobs and the high cost of rent and large student-loan debts, making it difficult for many to afford independent living soon after graduation. The trouble is, many parents would like independence from their kids. Many have retired or plan to retire, want to scale down, or want to use what funds they have for their own selfish pleasures after years of putting their children first.

The situation has grown so pervasive not just in the United States — where 25 percent of Americans between 18 and 34 now live with parents, according to the 2000 U.S. census, the most recent available — but also in England and Canada, that marketers have begun targeting families who live with these boomerang kids, and social-service groups have begun advising on how to handle the situation.

DaimlerChrysler autoworkers, for example, received advice on the subject in the April issue of their union magazine, Life, Work & Family. The advice: Meet in neutral territory to discuss the kids' return before they come back home. Set up house rules, including a contract that deals with schedules and expectations.

A Florida newspaper columnist has asked in print (perhaps in jest) that the IRS offer a tax credit to parents whose grown kids have come home to mooch, er, live.

Life stages realigned

Author Gail Sheehy nailed this trend a decade ago in her book "New Passages," in which she realigned the life stages, adding whole new bonus decades based on changing societal norms and increasing longevity. Adolescence and partial dependence on family now linger until the late 20s, she wrote. True adulthood doesn't begin until 30.

In her new alignment, 40 is the new 30 and 50 is the start of a whole new life because by then many children have fled the nest, and their parents can begin to explore new options.

But that last part hasn't exactly worked out the way Sheehy predicted for those whose grown kids have returned.

Harriet Pollon of Malibu, Calif., has witnessed the transition from her vantage point as a long-ago college grad, then mother and teacher. She graduated from Boston University in 1964 and, she says, nothing could have persuaded her to go home afterward. "It just wasn't done in those days."

"I was shocked"

Pollon has four children, three of whom came home to live with her after their college graduations. One stayed for a year. "I thought, 'How convenient.' He's an adult who drives, and I still had a daughter in elementary school, so he could help drive her. I also thought it was not unreasonable to ask him to occasionally baby-sit. He was shocked. It was out of the question, he said. It would interfere with his social life. He refused. And I was shocked."

She tried, but she simply couldn't tune them out, she says, because they are, after all, still her children. "You don't want to be a bad parent, so you get sort of trapped into it."

Serious class difference

Elina Furman, 32, who wrote a book on the subject titled "Boomerang Nation," now lives with a boyfriend in New York after living with her mother and sister for nine years after college. From her interviews with twentysomethings, she says she saw a "serious class difference" in how people reacted to moving home.

"A lot of kids moving into big houses had a sense that 'this is so much better than I could ever get anywhere else.' Some had hot tubs, cars, a lot of privacy." In a small house or apartment, she says, the grown children may share TV time and almost everything else with their parents — a source of tension.

In either case, stigma is still the main problem that shows up in any review of twentysomething message boards. At the Web site www.quarterlifecrisis.com, which focuses on this age group, posted messages reveal angst but also sweetness, sincerity and poignancy. Someone named Melly writes that she is a Boston University graduate about to turn 25 who has moved back home after getting dumped by her live-in boyfriend. She writes that she felt like "a complete failure in front of the entire extended family."

Not spoiled

Jeffrey Jensen Arnett, a professor at the University of Maryland in College Park and author of "Emerging Adulthood: The Winding Road From the Late Teens Through the Twenties," says his studies of the generation have shown that they are "not spoiled and self-indulgent. Typically, kids who return home are working very hard. They're not lying around waiting for their parents to order pizza. They're often looking for jobs or employed in jobs that don't pay very well, so they can't live on their own. Many are going to school as well. I definitely don't subscribe to the theory that they're coddled adults."
 
A few of my close friends moved back in with their parents after graduating from college in 2003 to help pay off loans and credit card debt and are still there. It works for them, but I don't think I could live with my parents again, as much as I love them. I'm quite content living with my fiance and paying bills.

This was a cover story in Time magazine last year, it's really fascinating.
 
Ahh, to be the baby of the family. They'll never want me to leave cause once I do, that will be all the chicks out of the nest. Yikes for them.
 
My brother joined the Air Force rather than move back in with my dad again after college (and couldn't find a job.)
 
This isn't surprising, considering the ridiculous burden we place on young people with outrageous student loans (sometimes over $100,000) combined with the insanely high cost of housing (buying a house in the suburbs runs you $400,000 for the low end in most coastal cities). It's impossible for people out of college to afford to live on their own unless you're lucky.
 
I moved back in with my folks for my last year of college; it worked out pretty well.

Now, of course, I'm out, married, burdened with student loans, and struggling to find a job, so... heh.
 
This is pathetic that parents can not enjoy their empty nest years because their kids are "not equipped" to deal with the real world. Give me a break!
 
A lot of the boomerangers choose to live with their parents because they:

A) don't have to cook
B) don't have to clean/do laundry
C) don't have to pay rent
D) Can live in a nice, comfortable house in the burbs, with a reasonable commute.

I think a lot of fresh-out-of-college grads want to immediately live with the same standard of living that their parents have. This is despite the fact that they are saddled with debt (that their parents probably had as well, but in the 20-25 years of marriage they were able to work their way out of), have little to no real world work experience in their field (and thus cannot command a high salary or senior position like their parents can) and haven't had decades of asset appreciation on things like houses and investments like their parents have had.

I'd tell these boomerangers to do the following:

1) Get a farking roomate. If you can't afford that 850/month 2BR apartment, find someone to share it with. Yes, I'm sure after your dorm days you'll never want a roomate-well, when you make enough money to afford not having one, then you can not have one. Until then, too f'n bad.

2) If you can't find a job in your field, get a crappy service job and ask your parents to help you out if you can't make ends meet. I'm sure many of them would rather chuck money at you than have to feed you and do all the chores that you probably won't do.

3) If your entry-level job doesn't pay enough to make ends meet, suck it up and find a way to supplement your income. People have worked two jobs before in tough times, and you can too.

As for the guy that says "you can't buy a house in the burbs, too expensive", well, you have a few choices-have your suburban dream farther from the city, where it costs less (location, location, location is the mantra of realty, and bad locations are cheaper), get a condo, move to a more affordable location, etc. Yes, a longer commute will suck, but if you didn't factor that into the overall cost of living when you moved to an urban center with an out of control housing market, well, sucks to be you.

Personally, I think that parents of children over the age of say, 22, should be given the right to send their children into the armed forces if they cannot hold up a job and are unwilling to move out (without any consent to service from the child). Service to our Dear Leader will provide them with life skills that they can use when they come back from defending our freedom to secure a residence outside of the home.
 
I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that many folks in their mind twenties waste their time screwing around on message boards, myspace, livejournal, flicker, and a host of other crap instead of taking the time to work on assets and skills to help attain a real job. Everyone loves talking and planning, but no one really does the busy work; I blame the whole dot com era where jusst a person's idea can make him or her rich, and I suppose they are just waiting for their lucky number.

I'm not saying everyone who lives at home out of college is as lazy or narcissistic... my girlfriend for example still lives at home... but I'm appalled by the number of folks I know who just have zero initiative.
 
Nerevar said:
This isn't surprising, considering the ridiculous burden we place on young people with outrageous student loans (sometimes over $100,000) combined with the insanely high cost of housing (buying a house in the suburbs runs you $400,000 for the low end in most coastal cities). It's impossible for people out of college to afford to live on their own unless you're lucky.

or really, really good at what you do, and have some business contacts to boot, and/or have done some internships, etc.... a bit more than luck is involved... and most folks getting out of college getting their first job aren't looking to buy a house right away so that cost souldn't be factored in.

You're all a bunch of lazy f*cks... why when I was your age....
 
Living within your means is hard, but its doable. I mean for the past year ive had 200 dollars a month for food/gas/clothes/haircut after bills were paid. I got help where I could and ive been fine. I spend less when I dont have money, thats sorta the key.

Living with your parents is lame anyway. US is turning into mexico economy wise tho. Its gonna be a bunch of poor families trying to get by.
 
When I first read this I immediately thought of my friend who moved back with her parents after graduation. I haven't asked her all the details (ie, what her financial situation is) but she is working and she has a boyfriend (who she's been dating for 4+ years or something like that) so it's not like she doesn't have options. As if that weren't enough she also says she doesn't get along with her parents to the point that she wasn't on speaking terms with them a few months ago. Kinda fucked up from my point of view. I would ask her more questions about it but I don't want to pry into personal matters and it wouldn't make a difference anyway.

My sister plans on living at home as long as possible. Her situation is different though. She's got a six-figure job with a prestegious company waiting for her when she starts working which is virtually unheard of for someone fresh out of college and at her age. I think she's just scared of moving out on her own.

Anyway, I'm still in college. I already have my own place and I can't imagine moving back in with the parents. I plan on keeping most of my stuff with them until I settle down post-college but nothing that would make me feel like I was getting in their way. My parents want me to move back home once I'm done with college but I don't want to be a burden on my parents in any way regardless of how they may feel.

You're all a bunch of lazy f*cks... why when I was your age....

Haha, old man :)
 
BUNCH OF POOR FAMILES LIVING TOGETHER TRYING TO GET BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Course mexico doesnt have a rich elite so I suppose it differs in that fashion. US is gonna be a whole lotta poor people pretty soon. Not gonna be fun.
 
i thought this was gonna tie into an eddie murphy discussion somehow.

my cousin is 29, graduated with a 3.9 GPA in biochemical engineering (was working on a chemical that would turn fruit into beer once poured upon them, heh) and now works for General Dynamics, and he still lives with his mom. he's a good looking guy, too, and nice. go figure.

As for the rich/poor thing, I'll be honest. If I get a job making 45K a year, enough to live comfortably for a single guy (and by that I mean buy a new video game every few weeks, see a movie when I feel like and buy a couple dvds/cds a month) and I'll be incredibly satisfied. I'd love to be pulling in six figures, but i'll probably go into teaching... so i doubt it.
 
Well 45k a year is plenty now, but things arent going so great. Again, probably wont affect you directly in your lifetime, but its gonna suck next gen.
 
The problem as I see it isn't that the kids go home after graduation, its that they don't have the initiative to leave and stay gone. Moving back home to pay down debt, even student loan debt isn't stupid - its actually a sane financial strategy. Heck within certain cultures in the US this is almost expected IMO. Living with friends and relatives to get clean of debt and save up a nest egg to buy the first home makes far more sense to me than struggling hard and racking up insane amounts of debt early after leaving college, or having to accept a job that you hate JUST because you have to leave the nest.

On top of this, the world she is a changing. I absolutely refuse to send my parents to a nursing home or any of that noise. My parents will live with me when that time comes and they will be able to live out their happy years confident that their money can go towards travelling as much as they want to, buying what they want to, and being able to spend as much time with their grandchildren as they possibly can.

So while it will be a 'different' future, I'm not all that sure that it is all that different than it used to be a few generations back when kids finished school and took over the family business and stayed with or very near their parents. But now, its is VERY hard for people to simply be able to afford a new nest with real estate prices being so insanely high, and renting in the same city where your parents are is financially silly.

The problem I see in a lot of these returners is that once they get on their feet, they simply don't have the initiative to leave. A lot of them become complacent with being taken care of, never get jobs on par with where they should be professionally, and spend what they make right away as opposed to saving and investing. Its a very different culture that I see when I look at the returners.
 
MrAngryFace said:
Well 45k a year is plenty now, but things arent going so great. Again, probably wont affect you directly in your lifetime, but its gonna suck next gen.


Well at least the graphics will be better :D
 
DarienA said:
or really, really good at what you do, and have some business contacts to boot, and/or have done some internships, etc.... a bit more than luck is involved... and most folks getting out of college getting their first job aren't looking to buy a house right away so that cost souldn't be factored in.

You're all a bunch of lazy f*cks... why when I was your age....

Christ, I don't live with my parents, and haven't since I left high school (despite the occasional stay over during summer while in college). My parents bought a house on my father's income from the state government (~$30,000) when he was fresh out of grad school. The same area now commands real estate prices between $800,000 - $1 million+ (new town houses - not independent units - down the street go for $750,000 a unit), and unless you are a doctor/lawyer TINK pair, no way in hell can you afford that. I'm quite happy with my small apartment on the outskirts of the city, but your absolutely fucking retarded if you think achieving the same "house in the burbs" standard of living is as easy as it was during the baby boomer generation.
 
The high cost of rent is the main reason I'd say. It's fucking insane how much it costs to rent a fucking mid sized's apartment now days and this is coming from someone who lives in a relatively low cost of living area compared to other parts of the country.

I'm 27 and still live at home. A lot of it has to do with my feelings about leaving my father alone. He would probably become a depressive man if I did, I just can't do that to him. Another part of it is the cost of owning a home or renting an apartment. I make around $28,000 a year and this just isn't enough to live on your own anymore.
 
Yeah my apartment with utilities is about 700 for 1 bed 1 bath. Sure I coulda found one for cheaper but who wants to live in the fucking ghetto with a fat old man scratching his belly out front.
 
I still live at home, even though I've got an extremely well paying job for someone my age (23). I get along well enough with my mom and brother (even though we have our shares of arguments), but housing costs are so ridiculous where I live (Long Island). Instead of wasting money on rent, it makes more sense to just stay at home and save for a few years... till I get engaged or something or have enough for a suitable down payment. Everybody I know of (from those who live on their own, to those who still live at home), tells me that its the smartest thing to do.
 
Yeah, I pretty much anticipate living with my parents after I graduate in order to save money. They say they may charge me rent, though (:lol, I know). And, yes, I actually do have to do my own laundry, help with household tasks, etc as is -- not everybody who does that is horribly lazy, I think.
 
Nerevar said:
but your absolutely fucking retarded if you think achieving the same "house in the burbs" standard of living is as easy as it was during the baby boomer generation.

NOWHERE in my post did I say that so don't fucking put words in my mouth... it is possible to get out of college, get a job, and get a apartment and make it... lots of folks do.

It's MUCH harder to get out of college, get a job, and buy a house.

On the flipside I know lots of folks with engineering degrees... and no job.

Life is anything but predictable.
 
MrAngryFace said:
DID YOU JUST CALL ME GAY, DARIEN?!?!?!??!

HOLY SHIT DID I?!?!??!! HELL IF I KNOW I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT I JUST TYPED... IS TODAY SATURDAY! I'D LIKE SOME PEANUTS!!!!
 
DarienA said:
NOWHERE in my post did I say that so don't fucking put words in my mouth... it is possible to get out of college, get a job, and get a apartment and make it... lots of folks do.

It's MUCH harder to get out of college, get a job, and buy a house.

On the flipside I know lots of folks with engineering degrees... and no job.

Life is anything but predictable.


Yeah, I was responding more to Fragammemnon then you. I'm just lazy when it comes to quoting people.
 
Nerevar said:
but your absolutely fucking retarded if you think achieving the same "house in the burbs" standard of living is as easy as it was during the baby boomer generation.

Oh, it's certainly not as easy. Hell, I'm glad about it too, because suburbia is easily the worst and most destructive social change we've seen in our society in the past century.

That being said, most urban markets with tons of jobs have reasonable housing without being an hour away from the city-no, it's not the best, gated community all-white-bread places like a lot of people want to raise their famblee in, but it's there and it's not bad at all. If you want a suburban lifestyle, you're going to have to be somewhat choosy about where you can actually have it, and not just expect it to be available anywhere in the country like it was 50 years ago.
 
Fragamemnon said:
Oh, it's certainly not as easy. Hell, I'm glad about it too, because suburbia is easily the worst and most destructive social change we've seen in our society in the past century.
How do you mean?
 
demon said:
How do you mean?
Lots of reasons. Suburbia is a wasteful experiment, number one. It is a horrendous misallocation of valuable, renewable and non-renewable resources. It caused the decay of inner cities number two(not vice versa, as whitey will have you believe). It's a waste of precious fossil fuels by commuters number three.

It's also an illusion. Suburban living is supposed to offer the comforts of country living within easy traveling distance of city life. Except that it has given rise to the blight of American landscape, the "comforts" it promises are horseshit(other than living away from the black folks, I suppose), and the decay of cities has made them places people are usually too scared/stupid to want to visit. Also, the "easy travelling distance" part is going to become not so easy in the very near future as gas prices continue to rise and people realize that living out in the burbs is not feasible if you're working in the city. I've already seen it in Atlanta, except of course there is no decent public transportation system to fall back upon here.
 
Raoul Duke said:
Except that it has given rise to the blight of American landscape, the "comforts" it promises are horseshit(other than living away from the black folks, I suppose), and the decay of cities has made them places people are usually too scared/stupid to want to visit.

:lol :lol :lol

Are you kidding me? Can you honestly say that "getting away from black people" is the sole reason people want to live in the suburbs? That's the dumbest thing I've read in the thread, Duke.
 
Nerevar said:
:lol :lol :lol

Are you kidding me? Can you honestly say that "getting away from black people" is the sole reason people want to live in the suburbs? That's the dumbest thing I've read in the thread, Duke.
Where are you from? It's a major reason in the south. It certainly isn't stupid to say so and if you look at the time frame that suburbia became popular in(late 50's through the 60's) it just so magically happens to coincide with the civil rights movement. I don't think it's dumb at all.
 
There is one thing that you failed to mention. Suburbia has been a successful gold mine for businesses (who drove people out to the burbs in the first place). While everyone was away, the property values dropped and entire neighborhoods went into decline. Now businesses are coming right behind them and building condos and highrises where small neighborhoods and small multi-family properties used to be. This renewed Yuppie-fication/Ginger-fication allowed many cities to reinvent their downtown areas as people realized (gasp) it sucks to drive over an hour to work - and started moving back into the city in 300k-500k condos and townhomes. This process has already started in Atlanta as is VERY evident if you're anywhere near downtown where entire high rise complexes are going up yearly, new malls are clearing entire old neighborhoods, and city projects like the aquarium are driving up rents and tourist traffic. What's happening is a shift BACK into downtown for the people who can afford to get downtown so that those people can enjoy the city and the nightlife, etc. This whole process started back in the 1950s and we're coming full circle on it. Soon, much of the interior of cities will consist of the well-to-do and many of the less to do will be out at the perimeters and beyond.
 
Phoenix said:
There is one thing that you failed to mention. Suburbia has been a successful gold mine for businesses (who drove people out to the burbs in the first place). While everyone was away, the property values dropped and entire neighborhoods went into decline. Now businesses are coming right behind them and building condos and highrises where small neighborhoods and small multi-family properties used to be. This renewed Yuppie-fication/Ginger-fication allowed many cities to reinvent their downtown areas as people realized (gasp) it sucks to drive over an hour to work - and started moving back into the city in 300k-500k condos and townhomes. This process has already started in Atlanta as is VERY evident if you're anywhere near downtown where entire high rise complexes are going up yearly, new malls are clearing entire old neighborhoods, and city projects like the aquarium are driving up rents and tourist traffic. What's happening is a shift BACK into downtown for the people who can afford to get downtown so that those people can enjoy the city and the nightlife, etc. This whole process started back in the 1950s and we're coming full circle on it. Soon, much of the interior of cities will consist of the well-to-do and many of the less to do will be out at the perimeters and beyond.
Yeah, that doesn't account for the great 2007 gasoline riots tho. ;)
 
Nerevar said:
:lol :lol :lol

Are you kidding me? Can you honestly say that "getting away from black people" is the sole reason people want to live in the suburbs? That's the dumbest thing I've read in the thread, Duke.

Actually.... he is in part right, thought its not necessarily to get away from black people as it was to get away from some of the mis-steps that came early in the development of many major cities (housing projects and the like). These happened to serve black communities early on and there is a real relationship between suburbian flight and the growth of black communities in the 60s and 70s. This isn't actually all that dumb and there is much 'realness' to it - its just not quite as simple as RD portrays it.
 
demon said:
How do you mean?

Suburbia has:

1) Increased racial tensions. Here in the South, suburbia REALLY got going after school integration, where the point was that you could still effectively have segregated schools in some areas if you manipulated the school districts enough. I remember that my elementary school in Mississippi, where I grew up, had about 3% minority population, and it took years and a court order to consolidate the two school districts and actually do the appropriate busing to make the school even remotely balanced. I know that in many places suburbs=where the middle-to-upper-class white people live.

2) Harmed cities-More and more money was spent to support the suburbs and that spending continues to increase and increase. Money spent on shops in the burbs doesn't get spent in the city, and inner-city businesses suffer. When businesses suffer, the neighboorhoods suffer, and many cities are still coping with the effects of suburbia and trying to rebuild their inner cities in a new image.

3) Ecological Devastation - The amount of critical habitat that has been, and will be, consumed by the rapacious appetite of subdivision developers is staggering. We will be feeling these impacts for many years to come. I'm glad I live now, at a time when I can regularly enjoy more than three species of songbirds at my birdfeeders-I can't say that I'll be able to do so in fifty years.

4) Energy Dependence - The suburban commute and impractical mass transit in suburbs is what makes us so incredibly dependent on foreign oil, which has had disastrous consquences for almost three decades now.

5) Increased Stress and Less Free Time - The overhead of the commute on top of already-full workdays reduces the amount of free time we have as a nation even more and increases our stress levels, reducing our overall public health.
 
Nerevar said:
Are you kidding me? Can you honestly say that "getting away from black people" is the sole reason people want to live in the suburbs? That's the dumbest thing I've read in the thread, Duke.

You sir, must have never lived in the South. Though here we don't say it outright, instead we use neat codewords for it, like "getting away from crime" and "we want to live in a place with better schools".

Make no mistake, though-that's bigoted cracker talk-hell, even I know that and I'm whiter than Wonderbread.
 
Excellent list Frag. You're probably way more knowledgeable about this than I, but let me add one more item to the list:

-Suburbia has helped to destroy ACTUAL small town living. The rise of the convenience culture and big box retailers(exemplified by Wal Mart) has effectively destroyed locally owned bidnesses in many small towns across America. Sure you don't want to pay more for your groceries and household shit, but do you want to bankrupt your town and turn everyone into wage slaves? Most people say YES.
 
Phoenix said:
There is one thing that you failed to mention. Suburbia has been a successful gold mine for businesses (who drove people out to the burbs in the first place). While everyone was away, the property values dropped and entire neighborhoods went into decline. Now businesses are coming right behind them and building condos and highrises where small neighborhoods and small multi-family properties used to be. This renewed Yuppie-fication/Ginger-fication allowed many cities to reinvent their downtown areas as people realized (gasp) it sucks to drive over an hour to work - and started moving back into the city in 300k-500k condos and townhomes. This process has already started in Atlanta as is VERY evident if you're anywhere near downtown where entire high rise complexes are going up yearly, new malls are clearing entire old neighborhoods, and city projects like the aquarium are driving up rents and tourist traffic. What's happening is a shift BACK into downtown for the people who can afford to get downtown so that those people can enjoy the city and the nightlife, etc. This whole process started back in the 1950s and we're coming full circle on it. Soon, much of the interior of cities will consist of the well-to-do and many of the less to do will be out at the perimeters and beyond.

Great post.

We're getting off topic though.
 
Fragamemnon said:
A lot of the boomerangers choose to live with their parents because they:

A) don't have to cook
B) don't have to clean/do laundry
C) don't have to pay rent
D) Can live in a nice, comfortable house in the burbs, with a reasonable commute.

I think a lot of fresh-out-of-college grads want to immediately live with the same standard of living that their parents have. This is despite the fact that they are saddled with debt (that their parents probably had as well, but in the 20-25 years of marriage they were able to work their way out of), have little to no real world work experience in their field (and thus cannot command a high salary or senior position like their parents can) and haven't had decades of asset appreciation on things like houses and investments like their parents have had.

I'd tell these boomerangers to do the following:

1) Get a farking roomate. If you can't afford that 850/month 2BR apartment, find someone to share it with. Yes, I'm sure after your dorm days you'll never want a roomate-well, when you make enough money to afford not having one, then you can not have one. Until then, too f'n bad.

2) If you can't find a job in your field, get a crappy service job and ask your parents to help you out if you can't make ends meet. I'm sure many of them would rather chuck money at you than have to feed you and do all the chores that you probably won't do.

3) If your entry-level job doesn't pay enough to make ends meet, suck it up and find a way to supplement your income. People have worked two jobs before in tough times, and you can too.

As for the guy that says "you can't buy a house in the burbs, too expensive", well, you have a few choices-have your suburban dream farther from the city, where it costs less (location, location, location is the mantra of realty, and bad locations are cheaper), get a condo, move to a more affordable location, etc. Yes, a longer commute will suck, but if you didn't factor that into the overall cost of living when you moved to an urban center with an out of control housing market, well, sucks to be you.

Personally, I think that parents of children over the age of say, 22, should be given the right to send their children into the armed forces if they cannot hold up a job and are unwilling to move out (without any consent to service from the child). Service to our Dear Leader will provide them with life skills that they can use when they come back from defending our freedom to secure a residence outside of the home.



Bingo. IOW, there's a lot of spoiled people out there.

I'm sure there's something to the article; but how many of those boomerangs live with their parents just so they can live beyond their means- AKA, living on front street?

Personally, the only way I could justify moving back in with my Mom and Dad, short of illness or job loss, would be to save money for a house. I love em', but danged if I want to put up with them unless I have to. :)
 
loxy said:
We're getting off topic though.

I agree. Let's get back to my earlier idea of enlistment for azy-ass twentysomethings if their parents want them out of their house and they won't leave. Hell, we can even give them some land and a house when they come back from war-we can call it ".4 acres a a depleted uranium-related illness" or something.
 
Fragamemnon said:
A lot of the boomerangers choose to live with their parents because they:

A) don't have to cook
B) don't have to clean/do laundry
C) don't have to pay rent
D) Can live in a nice, comfortable house in the burbs, with a reasonable commute.

I think a lot of fresh-out-of-college grads want to immediately live with the same standard of living that their parents have. This is despite the fact that they are saddled with debt (that their parents probably had as well, but in the 20-25 years of marriage they were able to work their way out of), have little to no real world work experience in their field (and thus cannot command a high salary or senior position like their parents can) and haven't had decades of asset appreciation on things like houses and investments like their parents have had.

I'd tell these boomerangers to do the following:

1) Get a farking roomate. If you can't afford that 850/month 2BR apartment, find someone to share it with. Yes, I'm sure after your dorm days you'll never want a roomate-well, when you make enough money to afford not having one, then you can not have one. Until then, too f'n bad.

2) If you can't find a job in your field, get a crappy service job and ask your parents to help you out if you can't make ends meet. I'm sure many of them would rather chuck money at you than have to feed you and do all the chores that you probably won't do.

3) If your entry-level job doesn't pay enough to make ends meet, suck it up and find a way to supplement your income. People have worked two jobs before in tough times, and you can too.

As for the guy that says "you can't buy a house in the burbs, too expensive", well, you have a few choices-have your suburban dream farther from the city, where it costs less (location, location, location is the mantra of realty, and bad locations are cheaper), get a condo, move to a more affordable location, etc. Yes, a longer commute will suck, but if you didn't factor that into the overall cost of living when you moved to an urban center with an out of control housing market, well, sucks to be you.

Personally, I think that parents of children over the age of say, 22, should be given the right to send their children into the armed forces if they cannot hold up a job and are unwilling to move out (without any consent to service from the child). Service to our Dear Leader will provide them with life skills that they can use when they come back from defending our freedom to secure a residence outside of the home.
this has to be the dumbest thing i ever heard....

trying to look 'tough' and be a 'real man' may get you 'cool points' with some people but it's still not the smart thing to do...
 
The Faceless Master said:
this has to be the dumbest thing i ever heard....

Thanks for your keen, insightful analysis.

trying to look 'tough' and be a 'real man' may get you 'cool points' with some people but it's still not the smart thing to do...

I dunno-I think that, after almost two decades of education and support from your parents, they deserve some time to enjoy a quiet home and time together. Just as I think it's a parent's responsibility to raise their child the best they can, I think it's the kid's responsibilty to honor that effort and give his/her parents some peace and quiet by striking out on their own, even if it means living with less than they could have with their parents.
 
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