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[Price Dalton]

Based on decades of research...dental fluorosis.

Prior to fluoridation, then, people must have had terrible cavities and decay, right? Like, say, for hundreds of thousands of years prior to agriculture?

That's typical of paleolithic fossil dental records. Why didn't we have these tooth problems before?

 

[WinFonda]

Bottled water tastes better. Tap water tastes metallic and shit. The water might start off clean, but that doesn't mean shit once it goes through the plumbing and piping.

 

[KHarvey16]

Care to debunk these independent studies?
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/

You too KHarvey16, how much is Colgate paying you? ;P

I posted a link already.

Prior to fluoridation, then, people must have had terrible cavities and decay, right?

I don't think I or anyone else claims that they did through all of history. Any more strawmen you'd like to erect?

 

[Frester]

Brita +1

Although I will say Fiji tastes extra crisp, almost never buy it though.

 

[Price Dalton]

I posted a link already.



I don't think I or anyone else claims that they did through all of history. Any more strawmen you'd like to erect?

I'm just showing that fluoride is unnecessary for excellent dental health. Would you agree with that statement?

 

[disappeared]

Tap.

 

[NotWii]

I posted a link already.

Get out of here Colgate with your selective pro-fluoride propaganda :lol

"The sky isn't blue if I don't look at it!"

 

[Ezduo]

The tapwater in Baton Rouge is freaking delicious. I drank it pretty much exclusively. The tapwater in Franklin Tennessee however...bleh. Tastes like metal or something. Can't drink the stuff without eating something. Its forced me back to bottled water and Dr Pepper.

Does this actually work?

 

[jamesinclair]

I want to get an awesome bottle for my filtered water, but I'm on the fence! I want a 1 liter bottle, but I don't know if I want a plastic one or an aluminum one! What exactly are the benefits/drawbacks to that?

I'll google it but GAF could find that info useful!

Well for plastic, read about what kind of plastic its made of. I dont remember off the top of my head, but some plastics "leak" and can contaminate your water, while others dont.

Where will you use the bottle? Obviously metal ones weigh more. if you plan on sticking it in the freezer is also a consideration.

Give the amazons a surf, the descriptions + reader reviews (and prices) can be surprisingly helpful.

 

[KHarvey16]

I'm just showing that fluoride is unnecessary for excellent dental health. Would you agree with that statement?

In the same sense that seat belts or bullet proof vests are unnecessary for excellent living, sure. Fluoridation is a pragmatic, simple way to help fight tooth decay. Could the problem be eliminated if everyone ate what we did 1000 years ago? Probably. I'm not gonna hold my breath, though.

 

[NotWii]

Although I will say Fiji tastes extra crisp, almost never buy it though.

Oooooh I've seen this, but haven't tried it before.

It costs like 1.5x more

In the same sense that seat belts or bullet proof vests are unnecessary for excellent living, sure. Fluoridation is a pragmatic, simple way to help fight tooth decay. Could the problem be eliminated if everyone ate what we did 1000 years ago? Probably. I'm not gonna hold my breath, though.

Keep repeating the lie, maybe it'll come true Colgate! :lol

 

[Dr. Acid Avatar]

I don't have a reverse osmosis filtration system to get the fluoride out of tap water so I drink a lot of bottled water without fluoride in it which is sometimes hard to find. Found one called Penta that's really good.

 

[SnakeXs]

The tapwater in Baton Rouge is freaking delicious. I drank it pretty much exclusively. The tapwater in Franklin Tennessee however...bleh. Tastes like metal or something. Can't drink the stuff without eating something. Its forced me back to bottled water and Dr Pepper.


Does this actually work?

Yes. Call it years of drinking it, but NYC's already awesome tap water + Brita = my favorite water. Reverse osmosis in Vegas tastes like ass compared to it, Poland Spring doesn't hold a candle to it... Very few waters do.

 

[jakncoke]

bottled water. I lived in 2 cities in my life and each city water was atrocious

 

[KHarvey16]

Get out of here Colgate with your selective pro-fluoride propaganda :lol

"The sky isn't blue if I don't look at it!"

See how it works? 1000 studies done that support the established opinion are not worth as much as 5 that do not. Just ignore the mountain of contrary evidence if that makes it easier for you.

 

[Silicon Knight]

Bottled water = tap water where I live.

Even better probably. Dutch tap water is impeccable.

 

[NotWii]

See how it works? 1000 studies done that support the established opinion are not worth as much as 5 that do not. Just ignore the mountain of contrary evidence if that makes it easier for you.

Citation?
Curious where you got five from, there's much more than that.

Maybe you were replying to yourself, it makes more sense that way.

 

[KHarvey16]

Citation?
Curious where you got five from, there's much more than that.

Maybe you were replying to yourself, it makes more sense that way.

Mountains you ignore can't be very tall, I suppose. Did you even bother to skim the link I gave, or are you afraid it'll contaminate your mind with crazy things like facts?

 

[Monocle]

Bottled water is too expensive. I buy filtered water from grocery stores and keep it in my own glass gallon bottles. I carry a 12 or 16 oz glass bottle with me most of the time. Glass containers are unwieldy and there's always the possibility of breakage, but I like them because they keep my water from going stale.

 

[TurboLibre]

The tap water in my area is very hard. For some reason drinking it makes me even thirstier, it's almost like I'm drinking salt water. We have one of those arrowhead water coolers and I just fill it up 5 gallons worth for a $1.25

 

[pswii60]

I take it you don't live in England.

Depends where you live in England.

I'm fine drinking water here as it comes from the reservoirs in the Peaks, but if I lived in or around London I'd be sticking to bottled water as we all know where tap water comes from there.

My only issue with tap water is it smells a little chloriney. You don't notice it if you drink tap water all the time, but if you drink bottled for a month and then switch back to tap water, it's a killer. Still, I'm just glad tap water is drinkable in this country, in many continental countries, it's bottled water or die.

 

[S. L.]

I've been drinking tap water most of my life and i am fine.

 

[NotWii]

Mountains you ignore can't be very tall, I suppose. Did you even bother to skim the link I gave, or are you afraid it'll contaminate your mind with crazy things like facts?

"Celebrating 60 Years of Water Fluoridation"
Are you for real? :lol

YEAH, LETS CHERRYPICK STUDIES THAT SAY FLUORIDE IS SAFE
And there's only 358 studies referenced there, not '1000'.

Where does it address these studies?
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/biblio.a-i.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/biblio.h-r.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/biblio.s-z.html
5 studies contrary to the establishment amirite Colgate?

 

[pswii60]

I've been drinking tap water most of my life and i am fine.

It's the tap water making you say that.

 

[pswii60]

Does this actually work?

Yup, they're fantastic. Would definitely have one if I had a bigger fridge (does not like drinking warm water).

 

[wormstrangler]

Tap.

 

[KHarvey16]

"Celebrating 60 Years of Water Fluoridation"
Are you for real? :lol

YEAH, LETS CHERRYPICK STUDIES THAT SAY FLUORIDE IS SAFE
And there's only 358 studies referenced there, not '1000'.

Where does it address these studies?
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/biblio.a-i.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/biblio.h-r.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/biblio.s-z.html
5 studies contrary to the establishment amirite Colgate?

The first paper I see: "Sodium fluoride-induced chromosome aberrations in different stages of the cell cycle"

Did it just take any and every paper showing the effects of fluorine? I can show you papers detailing the effects of too much vitamins. Would you like to argue this makes vitamins bad, too?

The document I linked you to has citations. The comprehensive studies are there for you to look at. The criticisms of studies claiming things contrary to the vast sums of scientific evidence are detailed as well. But they do it with words, so if you'd rather skip those I understand.

 

[smurfx]

Prior to fluoridation, then, people must have had terrible cavities and decay, right? Like, say, for hundreds of thousands of years prior to agriculture?

That's typical of paleolithic fossil dental records. Why didn't we have these tooth problems before?

people died much younger then too.

 

[Price Dalton]

people died much younger then too.

Sure, from things like trauma, warfare, infection, but not from chronic degenerative diseases like tooth decay, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Modern hunter gatherers show similar health until they're introduced to "civilized" foods and behaviors.

 

[SpoonyBard]

people died much younger then too.

But their teeth were fabolous. But yeah, Europeans used to have pretty good teeth until to the middle ages (as long as they got enough minerals in their water and food). When people started eating more sugars their teeth started to suffer.

 

[replicashooter]

I find the flouride/pineal gland thing interesting. Actually I find the pineal gland very interesting but do wonder about its true purpose when so much of modern life seems to be at odds with it.

 

[Uncle]

Sure, from things like trauma, warfare, infection, but not from chronic degenerative diseases like tooth decay, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Modern hunter gatherers show similar health until they're introduced to "civilized" foods and behaviors.

Yeah! How come nobody dies of old age anymore, huh? It's all the civilization, I tell you.

 

[Price Dalton]

But their teeth were fabolous. But yeah, Europeans used to have pretty good teeth until to the middle ages (as long as they got enough minerals in their water and food). When people started eating more sugars their teeth started to suffer.

Exactly.

Check out http://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/322125a0 and download the free PDF.

Very interesting look at European countries who did not fluoridate and still saw reductions in tooth decay.

I understand that the push for fluoridation is well-meaning. No conspiracy theories here. I just think it was a knee-jerk response based on incomplete science, and people figured "better safe than sorry" without verifying the results. Now, pro-fluoride views are the norm, and questioning them can probably ruin a career.

Same thing happened with cholesterol and saturated fat. Well meaning health recommendations based on flawed studies (and selective analysis of said studies) that actually do more harm than good.

 

[Boozeroony]

Tap water, got some of the cleanest and best tap water in the world here, might as well make use of it.

Same for me. In my hometown, Almere (Netherlands), I consider tap-water tastier than 90% of the bottled water.

 

[Rewrite]

I don't like the tap water here in California that much.

 

[notsol337]

Well for plastic, read about what kind of plastic its made of. I dont remember off the top of my head, but some plastics "leak" and can contaminate your water, while others dont.

Where will you use the bottle? Obviously metal ones weigh more. if you plan on sticking it in the freezer is also a consideration.

Give the amazons a surf, the descriptions + reader reviews (and prices) can be surprisingly helpful.

I didn't even think about amazon, thanks! I was going to use the bottle in day to day sit on my desk use. Cups are ok but man, if I wanted to just get up and go I'd have to stop for a bottle!

 

[Aske]

Get out of here Colgate

Keep repeating the lie, maybe it'll come true Colgate! :lol

5 studies contrary to the establishment amirite Colgate?

I keep picturing a play ground in which a giant blue face is bouncing malevolently beside the swings, and yelling "Colgate! Colgate!" with the vicious high-pitched bellow of a seven year old. A small tube of Aquafresh is slumped nearby, weeping striped paste and clenching is fists in impotent rage.

 

[Price Dalton]

Yeah! How come nobody dies of old age anymore, huh? It's all the civilization, I tell you.

Yeah, you definitely know what you're talking about.

From http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/paleopathology-at-origins-of.html

Taken as a whole, these indicators fairly clearly suggest an overall decline in the quality-- and probably in the length-- of human life associated with the adoption of agriculture.

You believe in evolution, right? According to anthropological fossil records, our brains were bigger, our stature was straighter, our teeth were stronger, we had less stress, and we were altogether healthier. When we settled into agriculture, put up walls, and started growing grains and legumes, our health plummeted.

Weston Price, a dentist in the 20s, noticed the same thing in his travels. Native people eating traditional diets were remarkably healthy, but when they were introduced to refined carbohydrates and sugars, they suffered a rapid decline.

Or are you maintaining that obese Americans sputtering, wheezing, and suffering - but, by God, they are surviving - into their 60s and 70s are truly beacons of health and longevity?

 

[NotWii]

Did it just take any and every paper showing the effects of fluorine? I can show you papers detailing the effects of too much vitamins. Would you like to argue this makes vitamins bad, too?

You're comparing vitamin abuse to a poison that is added mandatory to people's drinking water? :lol

At least with vitamin abuse, there are labels on the bottle telling you not to take too many.

 

[SnakeXs]

Bottled Water vs. OH GOD THE FLUORIDE IS GOING TO KILL US ALL

 

[water_wendi]

Prior to fluoridation, then, people must have had terrible cavities and decay, right? Like, say, for hundreds of thousands of years prior to agriculture?

That's typical of paleolithic fossil dental records. Why didn't we have these tooth problems before?

Non-agrarian meat-eating cultures tended to have much better teeth than farming civilizations.

As for fluoride, i figure less is better. i would be (and am) more concerned about the fluoride applied daily via toothpaste.

 

[KHarvey16]

You're comparing vitamin abuse to a poison that is added mandatory to people's drinking water? :lol

At least with vitamin abuse, there are labels on the bottle telling you not to take too many.

Vitamins are as much a POISON as fluoride, in that too much of it is bad for you. Actually probably more so, seeing as you'd have to drink over a hundred thousand ounces of fluoridated tap water to overdose.

 

[Price Dalton]

Non-agrarian meat-eating cultures tended to have much better teeth than farming civilizations.

As for fluoride, i figure less is better. i would be (and am) more concerned about the fluoride applied daily via toothpaste.

Definitely. Trader Joe's makes a good fluoride-free toothpaste.

 

[Shrike_Priest]

Tapwater + sodastreamer.

However, if I'm away from home and I'm thirsty, of course I'll buy bottled water as opposed to a can of soda. And I recycle all my bottles as well.


Sweden communist water control ftw!

 

[Price Dalton]

Vitamins are as much a POISON as fluoride, in that too much of it is bad for you. Actually probably more so, seeing as you'd have to drink over a hundred thousand ounces of fluoridated tap water to overdose.

Good thing fluoride doesn't accumulate in the body.

Oh, wait.

Edit: Don't mean to come off like a dick or anything. If I did, my apologies. I just think there's more to this story than what the American Dental Association is pushing. We need an honest assessment of the studies before we pump fluoride into every source of water.

 

[KHarvey16]

Good thing fluoride doesn't accumulate in the body.

Oh, wait.

You love those strawmen, huh? Who said fluoride isn't retained in calcium, which is exactly what that study says?

EDIT(for your edit):

The research is always on-going. The study you linked to is talked about specifically in the document I posted originally. If a comprehensive, competent study was released tomorrow showing fluoride was bad for us people would pay attention. There would be efforts to corroborate and the study would be scrutinized thoroughly. Nothing is being ignored. Every time a study showing something against scientific consensus is dismissed or criticized for being shoddy work some people always cry about it, regardless if the accusations are actually true.

 

[water_wendi]

Definitely. Trader Joe's makes a good fluoride-free toothpaste.

i havent used toothpaste in 6 or 7 years. Havent gone to a dentist in that time either. i used a compound of almond, spearmint and peppermint botanical oils for brushing. Between that, flossing and a dental scaler, i like to think ive done pretty well. My gums have even grown back since i started doing this (was the reason i found the oils was because my gums were bleeding).

 

[NotWii]

Vitamins are as much a POISON as fluoride, in that too much of it is bad for you. Actually probably more so, seeing as you'd have to drink over a hundred thousand ounces of fluoridated tap water to overdose.

:lol Yeah well that may be, except nobody is pouring vitamin tablets into my mouth.

And the issue is really about USE of fluoride, not abuse (which would put people in hospital, not to mention they wouldn't be able to drink that much water)

Where's the next strawman?

 

[Price Dalton]

i havent used toothpaste in 6 or 7 years. Havent gone to a dentist in that time either. i used a compound of almond, spearmint and peppermint botanical oils for brushing. Between that, flossing and a dental scaler, i like to think ive done pretty well. My gums have even grown back since i started doing this (was the reason i found the oils was because my gums were bleeding).

Fantastic. I only use it when I feel like I need it.

I get plenty of sun, supplement with vitamin D and vitamin K2, eat tons of pastured raw butter, and avoid carbs, especially refined ones. Since starting this, a pain in one tooth has completely disappeared and my dentist said what was once a budding cavity is no longer an issue.

Oh, and I avoid fluoride.

 

[Price Dalton]

You love those strawmen, huh? Who said fluoride isn't retained in calcium, which is exactly what that study says?

I only mentioned that because of your assertion that one would have to drink an obscene amount of tap water in order to consume enough fluoride to be dangerous. But if the fluoride accumulates over time, isn't that what we're doing?