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Broke ass Cleveland. . .

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Jesus, I know Cleveland's statistically the Poorest City in America currently; but this is just crazy.

I went to the glorified bus terminal / mall downtown today to hit the Waldenbooks.

I used to work at Software Etc. there, and the place was open until 8PM.

I left the house at 7PM, get there with time to spare and the place is locked down. What the hell?

I know nobody really shops there, but damn. That's just sad. 7PM?! Those are crummy f'ing hours. =_=

For the sake of comparison, any posters in California, Chicago, or New York able to give me some examples of when retailers in your downtown area close down?

In other news: Bill Cosby phoned in his cancelled appearance this past Monday. I hope once the smoke clears over the pudding pop tasting controversy he can make it here to lecture our sad asses.
 

Wellington

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The Take Out Bandit said:
Jesus, I know Cleveland's statistically the Poorest City in America currently; but this is just crazy.

I went to the glorified bus terminal / mall downtown today to hit the Waldenbooks.

I used to work at Software Etc. there, and the place was open until 8PM.

I left the house at 7PM, get there with time to spare and the place is locked down. What the hell?

I know nobody really shops there, but damn. That's just sad. 7PM?! Those are crummy f'ing hours. =_=

For the sake of comparison, any posters in California, Chicago, or New York able to give me some examples of when retailers in your downtown area close down?

In other news: Bill Cosby phoned in his cancelled appearance this past Monday. I hope once the smoke clears over the pudding pop tasting controversy he can make it here to lecture our sad asses.


Gamestops/EBs go until 8. Most bookstores go to at least 9 PM.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Get a job, dude.
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Gamestops/EBs go until 8. Most bookstores go to at least 9 PM.

Okay, we weren't doing too bad five years ago. :X

I should have seen it coming. Business was always slow there. I'll just have to keep it in mind if I want to avoid the haul out to suburban malls.

The second closest mall has been a gold chain and shoe repository for about seven years now, or so. You know the neighborhood is f@cked when even the porno bookstore closes down. I can understand Walden closing down, but the porno vendor? Damn. :p
 

marsomega

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9 to 9:30 seems to be a standard.

Mega trendy popular Dolphin Mall stores start closing at 9:30 and some will stay till 10 pm. On Friday/Saturday nights they'll stay open till 11 pm.

Best Buy closes at 9:30 and on Friday/Saturday it is 10:30.

9:30 seems to be the standard. Least the EB I go to clooses at 9:30. 9 pm is a safe bet though.

9 pm though is the safest bet.

EDIT..
Whoops, you were asking for those 3 places specifically. Nevermind :)
 

hiryu

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The mall he is talking about is downtown. It's dead after 5 and on the weekends. I went there on the weekend once and was the only cutomer in the whole place. I don't think the place even opens on the weekends anymore.
 
There was lots of snow from Albany to the airport in Cleveland. I missed my plane, and then had to stay at Cleveland overnight. Being the cheapest room and me on a college weekend political trip, there was only a smoking room left which had a small smattering of blood on the wall, old raisins...dusty raisins...and a pack of gum behind the dresser. There were burn holes in the sheets, horrible old electrical outlets, I had to heat half of the room with a hair dryer, and the sheets were washed but stained.



I don't know if people go or get stuck in Cleveland. Thus far I just wanted to generalize because I got stuck there.



Also, I was talking on the phone too late, but I would have totally ordered pizza or any food if places were still open. It was Sunday night at 11pm to 3am, and I finally got off the phone. Teh delivery places were all closed by then.
 

draven

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Wow, all this to a guy who's actually heading over to Cleveland this afternoon for the weekend for a graduate school interview/visit.

For the Cleveland natives, is it really that bad? Even so, how are the costs of living? I'm thinking about going there for graduate school and maybe stay for a PhD, since I studied up on Cleveland and didn't see it as too bad (mostly by watching the Drew Carey Show). Take in mind, this is from a guy who lives in Miami (high house prices) and was also considering California (ridiculously expensive house prices).

As always, any input is appreciated.

Thanks.
 

ToxicAdam

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draven said:
Wow, all this to a guy who's actually heading over to Cleveland this afternoon for the weekend for a graduate school interview/visit.

For the Cleveland natives, is it really that bad? Even so, how are the costs of living? I'm thinking about going there for graduate school and maybe stay for a PhD, since I studied up on Cleveland and didn't see it as too bad (mostly by watching the Drew Carey Show). Take in mind, this is from a guy who lives in Miami (high house prices) and was also considering California (ridiculously expensive house prices).

As always, any input is appreciated.

Thanks.

As most anywhere ... it matters where you live. I would recommend a downtown condo. Most of these are less than 10 years old, and they are having trouble filling them up. Some are offering incentives to get you to move in. Prices range from 700-1300 a month for a nice, secure place.

Cleveland has an awesome downtown area (like most big cities) and is not too congested with traffic.

(I lived in Cleveland from 1996-2001)
 

Tuvoc

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hiryu said:
The mall he is talking about is downtown. It's dead after 5 and on the weekends. I went there on the weekend once and was the only cutomer in the whole place. I don't think the place even opens on the weekends anymore.

are you referring to Tower City?
 
Wow, all this to a guy who's actually heading over to Cleveland this afternoon for the weekend for a graduate school interview/visit.

Well it sounds like you'll fit right in with the rest of the out of town students who come here for the education, and subsequently packs up and moves to somewhere the job market is stable and accomodating of progressive industries.

Cuyahoga county is consistently posting major population losses because of this.

For the Cleveland natives, is it really that bad? Even so, how are the costs of living? I'm thinking about going there for graduate school and maybe stay for a PhD, since I studied up on Cleveland and didn't see it as too bad (mostly by watching the Drew Carey Show).

Oh christ no!

Drew Carrey is a fucking liar!

Getting Cleveland advice from Carrey is like getting travel tips on Germany from Leni Riefenstahl.

Let's put it this way. . . If Cleveland "rocked", wouldn't you stick around? Cleveland doesn't rock. It only pretends to rock, and New York still benefits from most of the major Rock Hall induction celebrations, and Cleveland is the only f@cking city that would let that shit slide. Cleveland = Weaksauce!

Cleveland has a total shit talent retention rate. At current count, we've got Eric Meyer, Harvey Pekar, Derek Hess, and *shudder* Lebron James. I shudder at Lebron only because he attracts fair weather fans. The minute he gets traded or says, "F@ck you Cleveland you don't respect me" like Boozer; Cleveland is once again f@cked.

Oh, and we got Sharon Reed, but we've always had fairly hot news women. Just Reed was the first one to take off her clothes and make the national news. :p

The education scene is quite nice, and the cost of living is very affordable.

If you can dig into a career and make it, you'll likely live out your days in placid splendor. We do have a small pocket of wealth here, we don't have crazy riots, and you can bet your ass we're pretty low on the scale of places terrorists want to attack.

"I will destroy the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and cripple American civilization!", an unwitting Osama bin Laden.

Although we might make a good target for the excellent part we played in the major East Coast Black Out of 2003.

Generally people in Cleveland that are well off, are satisfied. However, those people tend to be the ones living in the suburbs of Cleveland where the hobos, prostitutes, and drug dealers aren't. Park their expensive cars in the enclosed secured parking garages when they come into Cleveland proper to see Lebron, or whatever other fair weather attraction is in town at the moment.

So far as actual culture and living goes, Cleveland is the pits. Unless you only are interested in clubbing on the weekends. There's no shortage of flesh farms. However, if you just want to go to a nice restaraunt, or a nice little establishment with some ambiance where you can chill out and have some fun - it ain't happening.

I've lived here all my life, so I've got the qualifications. My current life plan is get back to school, get the f@ck out of Cleveland. That's mainly because Cleveland has no outlet/market for creative folks.

There are places in Cleveland that are worth checking out, but you'll need to hunker down and find them. I generally find the West Side of Cleveland is more suited to my tastes. The Ohio City area. You go too far west and you're in the super pinchy suburbs. You go too far east and you'll either be dodging bullets or bagels.

The weather is split. Personally, I'm feeling the need for warmer climates. Summers aren't too bad, and winter is just hell. Sure, our winter isn't as bad as those in the northern most extremities, but being by the lake earns us extra spiteful shitty weather points. My stance on this issue is: F@ck Snow. All of it. Snow falls. Snow flurries. Sno Cones.

I'm trying to get more active in local politics, not as a candidate for mayor; but in the context of educating myself on local politcal figures. Right now we're under the rule of a clueless bitch who's primary political platform is pinning her hopes on pipedream prospects of an emerging biomedical industry, casinos (They're courting the actual Native American groups for this, and if I were a Native American I'd totally leverage my ability to "save" this city against the racist Indians mascot - anyone reading from the reservation is free to take me up on that), and stop light cameras.

Having done some limited travelling to slightly larger cities, I've discovered that Cleveland is indeed the pits. Unless you're looking for cheap living and being the butt end of jokes.

It's called the "Comeback city". Yeah, come back when there's something to see. :lol

move to toledo you can work with me!

I'm eyeballing the Southern States. I don't want to move to Red territory, but I figure I'm already in Red territory - which is ironic as it just demonstrates this regions propensity for self abuse - so I can at least move some place that's Red and has warmer climates year round.
 

Tuvoc

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Generally people in Cleveland that are well off, are satisfied. However, those people tend to be the ones living in the suburbs of Cleveland where the hobos, prostitutes, and drug dealers aren't. Park their expensive cars in the enclosed secured parking garages when they come into Cleveland proper to see Lebron, or whatever other fair weather attraction is in town at the moment.

I live in the suburbs of Cleveland and we have prostitutes and drug dealers(just not as many). And i've actually parked my car on plenty of Cleveland streets. Hell I go down to east Cleveland for some fried chicken every now and then. Chester Fried Chicken Holla!! :lol
 
Which area are you in?

I park on the street, and it's just by pure dumb luck, and The Club, that my car remains intact. Worse that happened was a small gang fight in the middle of my street with idiots throwing themselves up against my car.

I didn't know about this until after the fact. A neighbor taped the whole thing. :p

On the other hand, my poor neighbor is constantly having his car broken into and it's not a fly ride by any means.

I'm not big on fried chicken, in fact I hate it - but Hot Sauce Williams = MUCH RESPECT! Mmm mmmm sweet potato pie. :q
 

Shazapp

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Geez...I'm just starting to like Cleveland. (I moved here in June, 2004.)

I hated it until I got a decent job. I live on the east side, in the suburbs. It's cool. I've got a mall two blocks from my apartment. I only drive 5 mnutes to work. I've got a good job. Can't complain. But I moved from Youngstown, so maybe that's why I like it.
 
I moved here in June, 2004.

You have my condolences. ;)

Seriously though, I also recall another thing I dislike about the city. Shitty public transportation. You miss the Rita, you're going to be hanging on a frozen ass telephone pole waiting on the next bus - whenever the hell it arrives.

That's one thing Chicago had all over Cleveland when I visited. Good public transportation.

Then again, Chicago didn't f@ck it all up by denying early adoption of a subway system. :X

Not that public transportation is a severe issue, I have a car now; but my preferred method of travel is bike. So when winter rolls around, biking becomes a huge pain in the ass. So if Cleveland were further south in another state, I'd probably be less annoyed by it.

Incidentally I made it to Tower Shitty tonight, only to find that Waldenbooks has discontinued the Preferred Reader card program. Crap! >:|
 

demi

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I'm eyeballing the Southern States. I don't want to move to Red territory, but I figure I'm already in Red territory - which is ironic as it just demonstrates this regions propensity for self abuse - so I can at least move some place that's Red and has warmer climates year round.

Well good, we didn't want you here anyway.
 

Cooper

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The Take Out Bandit said:
For the sake of comparison, any posters in California, Chicago, or New York able to give me some examples of when retailers in your downtown area close down?

Downtown L.A. is a ghost town after five. Heck, I don't know anyone who goes downtown to shop. The suburban areas are much better for late night shopping. Some outdoor malls like The Block at Orange or the Irvine Spectrum have EB's that are open until 11 pm on weeknights, but 9 is a standard time for malls to close.
 
Downtown L.A. is a ghost town after five. Heck, I don't know anyone who goes downtown to shop. The suburban areas are much better for late night shopping.

Yeah, it's not always where I prefer to go, but it's four miles versus 15.

And I have this ultimately useless desire to give money to businesses in my community. Sweet Christ that impulse is f@cking me in the ass too. A local coffee shop opened up, but due to the combination of my neighborhood going to the pits and the lack of coffee drinking sorts, their hours have constantly continued to shorten, to the point where I don't even bother going there. Why? They close at 4PM. 4PM in the middle of the afternoon?! You sell caffiene!

It was nice because it was local and I could just go there and draw for a couple hours and relax. Hopefully the Summer Hours come into effect sooner than later. They used to be open to 8PM, which isn't late - but I'm making allowances for my neighborhood here. I mean, when the coffee shop girls want me to stick around until closing for protection; that's not a good sign.

Most of the suburban malls here close at 9PM.

It's just disheartening looking at Downtown Cleveland and seeing the major thoroughfare in such a sad state. Closed office buildings. Closed store fronts. Living here and seeing things deteriorate doesn't make you feel all that great.

Well good, we didn't want you here anyway.

I estimate I'll be here at least another five years, so don't go counting on me significantly reducing the asshole qoutient just yet. ;)
 
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