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Buffalo, NY officer rams SUV into suspect

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ColdPizza

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlxxvhJfU6Q

facebook live video: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMiseeHarris/videos/1250869488314834/

http://www.wgrz.com/news/video-shows-buffalo-police-car-striking-subject/381136981

BUFFALO, N.Y. - A Facebook Live video published online Saturday afternoon shows a Buffalo Police SUV striking a man with a knife during a SWAT call, prompting the department's Internal Affairs Division to launch an immediate investigation into the officer's use of physical force.

The video, which was posted by a Facebook user named Sheila Woodard just after 12:30 p.m. Saturday, began with police officers surrounding a man in a red jacket near the intersection of Chicago and Fulton streets, just east of the Seneca Buffalo Creek Casino.

After about two minutes, the video then shows a police SUV ramming into the man as he attempted to jump out of the way of the vehicle. Several officers then rushed to the scene, and about ten minutes later, they loaded the man into an ambulance to transport him to Erie County Medical Center. Police said he had non-life threatening injuries but was placed into police custody.

The video was removed from Facebook just after 8 p.m. Sunday, about 24 hours after the department had publicly acknowledged the internal investigation.

Tom Burton, the attorney representing the officer through the Police Benevolent Association, said his officer acted appropriately in order to protect the safety of a fellow officer. According to Burton, another officer not seen on camera in the Facebook Live video faced a specific threat from the man, who was wielding a 12-inch butcher knife.

Burton said the man with the knife was taunting that other officer and had also displayed suicidal tendencies.

"There's no hiding from what happened," Burton said. "This cop was motivated by preventing this fellow from hurting himself or anyone else."

Burton said his client is a veteran of the Buffalo Police Department. He has not been placed on leave.

Buffalo Police have not identified any of the officers involved in the incident. They also have not identified the subject struck by the police car.

Burton said it's his understanding the man struck by the police car suffered an ankle injury.

The officer's use of his police vehicle in this situation was "unorthodox," Burton said, but he has seen the tactic used under rare circumstances during the course of his career.

Buffalo Police officers do not routinely carry Tasers, and Burton said officers in this case did not have them at their disposal. That policy stands in contrast to other local agencies, including the Niagara Falls Police Department, which has used Tasers for more than a decade and ordered a new batch as recently as this August.

"The Taser is an in-between alternative between physical force that might entail having to grapple with someone," Burton said. "One would think the Taser would have been an absolutely ideal alternative here."


Source: http://www.wgrz.com/news/video-shows-buffalo-police-car-striking-subject/381136981

Not sure I really agree with this tactic here. The Buffalo PD apparently only has 2 tasers in the entire force. Also, I didn't see any other police officer in the camera frame that was in any immediate danger here.

Ram me with an SUV if old.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I know I'm a fascist or whatever but this doesn't seem much worse than a taser or 'non-lethal' rounds.

Non lethal rounds can still kill you and I'd still rather get shot in the chest with a bean bag then run over by an SUV.
 

Geist-

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This feels more like a lack of training and equipment (ie Tasers) than something actually malicious. Trying to disarm a guy with a knife is pretty dangerous, especially someone who doesn't care if a gun is being pointed at them*.

*I took the suicidal thing to mean that the officers guns weren't stopping the guy from waving his knife around.
 

Espada

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This guys has to get charged with something, hitting someone with a fucking SUV is a goddamn disproportionate response to the threat being faced. Too much can be excused with the "I was just trying to protect a fellow officer from an imminent threat" excuse.
 

ColdPizza

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This feels more like a lack of training and equipment (ie Tasers) than something actually malicious. Trying to disarm a guy with a knife is pretty dangerous, especially someone who doesn't care if a gun is being pointed at them.

I took the suicidal thing to mean that the officers guns weren't stopping the guy from waving his knife around.

The FB video has commentary from the person who was filming. Apparently the man was threatening to kill himself.
 

mr jones

Ethnicity is not a race!
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Prevent suicidal man from hurting himself or others by.... ramming him with an SUV?

... I... wow.
 

ColdPizza

Banned
Put guns on the SUVs or make a gun that fires SUVs

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Geist-

Member
Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Def needs to be some bean bags and tasers handy though. Need more options than SUV and gun.

Pretty sure this is the lesson that needs to be learned here. I was expecting something worse in the video, but it's not like the car was speeding down a street or something. He probably saved the guys life honestly.
 

Kin5290

Member
On one hand, the continuum of force dictates that you meet force with similar force. So a big butcher knife (which is lethal force) merits lethal force in return.

Why not a taser? A taser requires that you close to a short range, and can be defeated by heavy clothing.

On the other hand, running the guy over instead of shooting him seems excessive.

Edit: Probably should've watched the thing before commenting.
 

Zenner

Member
That's tame compared to the Tuscon AZ ramming from 2015. Just outta nowhere.

Sure, the guy had a gun and was threatening to kill himself - I dunno, man. I'm glad I don't have to make these calls.
 

sarcastor

Member
ram
1. roughly force (something) into place.
"he rammed his stick into the ground"
synonyms: force, thrust, plunge, stab, push, sink, dig, stick, cram, jam, stuff, pack
"he rammed his sword into its sheath"

That was not a "ram". That was crappy reporting meant to increase sales.
 
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