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[Tams]

I was just watching a YouTube video about the 'Extreme' culture of the late 90s and early 00s.



What struck me was that trends seem to come in decades. The beginning of a decade is when a new trend starts emerging, the latter part of the decade is the height, and then the beginning of the next one is when oversaturation happens, and it comes across and as more and more insincere and inauthentic. Plus people just get bored of it.

If so, we are around the point that this 'inclusive' trend is on the way out, and whatever has been building will start to come to the forefront in the next couple of years. Ironically, it may well be shaped by an adverse reaction to the 'inclusive' trend.

For example, the 'Extreme' trend I mentioned earlier, was replaced by a rather dour, dark, serious trend in the late 00s and early 10s.

The early 10s is when some of this 'inclusive' trend started popping up, but it wasn't until the late 10s that it exploded into almost everything.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Zendaya

A girl who works at Mc Donalds

 

[sono]

I hope so. While I.am all for live and let live, the thought of watching Babie makes me feel unwell.

 

[RCX]

Religions rarely die.

Stay frosty

 

[Doom85]

The black power stuff was so damn cringe during Black Panther. The total and utter disrespect and negation of previous black cinema, TV and entertainment was baffling. The idea of an all black cast (minus Klaw) as some beacon... despite having many excellent movies with mostly black or Asian actors. It was a farce and people were lapping it up. It also lightly occurred with Spider-Verse.

It was a big budget blockbuster with a mostly black cast (also, you forgot Martin Freeman was in it). That’s obviously what people were excited for, that anyone in Hollywood would be willing to take that chance.

Lord knows Ike Perlmutter, the guy who said to go ahead and recast Rhodey because, in his words, “no one will notice, they all look the same”, wasn’t going to approve Black Panther being made because “it had never been done before” according to him (hey, Ike, almost all the MCU lead characters had never been in a major film before, I’m CURIOUS why you singled out Black Panther as the one that you were hesitant about making, hmm…….)

Trying to rewrite the narrative as the movie was acting like no films at all existed with a mostly black cast is disrespectful to acknowledging the situation at hand where a racist asshole was preventing the film from being made for flimsy reasons because he wouldn’t just flat out say, “I don’t want a superhero movie with a mostly black cast.” Thankfully he left, Kevin Feige was super glad he was gone, and the movie released and made 1.3 billion.

Eat shit, Ike Perlmutter.

Also, how the hell did it occur with Spider-verse? Peter is the second most prominent character in the first one, and Gwen is the second most prominent character in the second one.

 

[rm082e]

Zendaya

Spoiler: snip

A girl who works at Mc Donalds

Yeah. Not to say the only value of an actress is how pretty she is. If they've got amazing acting chops - great. Kathy Bates wasn't a super model but Misery is a stunning movie because she was amazing in it.

I don't watch many modern movies, so the only thing I've seen Zendaya in is No Way Home when I took my son to see it. She seemed like a Disney TV show level of talent to me, so it's been a bit confusing to see her getting all these roles in big movies like Dune and this new Nolan movie. I didn't have that same feeling back in the day when I saw Gia, and then Angelina Jolie was in everything. It was obvious she was getting work because she was over-the-top beautiful and also a great actor.

I guess if I had to put a finger on it, Zendaya reminds me of Daryl Hannah during the 80's.

 

[Kraz]

It seems a lot of outrage about this is viewers diversifying their viewing into movies that they should probably ignore.

Marvels being up on the picture is one example. There's no requirement to view it and it's not sacrosanct, unless you want to claim it is to be a vocal culture warrior.

Getting upset with race swapping in something like Anne Boleyn can be legitimate if nuanced, but to not be hypocritical would have to show the same enthusiasm in all cases.

Back in the 90s there were feminist movies and whatnot, they had their audiences and detractors, but there was some perspective and ability to let things go within the West. The increase of internet let things like the Taliban and ISIS, orthodox fundies from the East and whatnot amplify primitive superstitious opinions that support their causes in a fight against Western culture, which includes women's rights and gays and all that. That's the real culture war. The awkward self-destructive behavior against Western and American culture of freedom from within is definitely not behind us until critical thinking is developed to recognize the manipulation by outside agents and grifters.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

That's the real culture war. The awkward self-destructive behavior against Western and American culture of freedom from within is definitely not behind us until critical thinking is developed to recognize the manipulation by outside agents and grifters.

:Edit Although from a Globalists POV.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Yeah giving a Beautifull Mind best picture was some fucking bullshit.

It was a great movie too but man… Fellowship was so good, it became an instant classic. You saw it and immediately knew this movie was made to last.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Everything, Everywhere All At Once was Looney Tunes garbage.

The diversity era is far from over.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

It's a genuine banger of a film though, I hope people don't think it's "woke" or some shit

It’s absolute shite of a film.

 

[FunkMiller]

Bohemian Rhapsody got an Oscar for editing and that was a jumbled mess

Whatever value the Oscars once had as a measure of artistic capability was long ago smothered by corporate greed, political messaging, and self congratulatory backslapping. It’s a fucking dog and pony show, run by the corrupt and mindlessly consumed by the stupid.

 

[Trunx81]

The problem is not the actors but the writers and producers. You can write strong female characters with realistic traits (Ripley) or you make her Mary Sues (Rey). When some sort of power is not earned, it just doesn’t feel right. Nowadays heroes have a nearly non existing evolution in their films. But a good heroes journey needs us to see that they earn the victory in the end. Apart from the over-use of tropes, everything is now just “and then they did this and then they went there and than this happened”. Instead of “this happened which triggered that to lead into this”.

Combine that with a “marvelisation” of humor (“I want to talk to Hux. His mother is on the line”) and you got yourself some really bad movies.

 

[DeafTourette]

It was a big budget blockbuster with a mostly black cast (also, you forgot Martin Freeman was in it). That’s obviously what people were excited for, that anyone in Hollywood would be willing to take that chance.

Lord knows Ike Perlmutter, the guy who said to go ahead and recast Rhodey because, in his words, “no one will notice, they all look the same”, wasn’t going to approve Black Panther being made because “it had never been done before” according to him (hey, Ike, almost all the MCU lead characters had never been in a major film before, I’m CURIOUS why you singled out Black Panther as the one that you were hesitant about making, hmm…….)

Trying to rewrite the narrative as the movie was acting like no films at all existed with a mostly black cast is disrespectful to acknowledging the situation at hand where a racist asshole was preventing the film from being made for flimsy reasons because he wouldn’t just flat out say, “I don’t want a superhero movie with a mostly black cast.” Thankfully he left, Kevin Feige was super glad he was gone, and the movie released and made 1.3 billion.

Eat shit, Ike Perlmutter.

Also, how the hell did it occur with Spider-verse? Peter is the second most prominent character in the first one, and Gwen is the second most prominent character in the second one.

This! Exactly this!

Black Panther was the second (after George Lucas's Red Tails) BIG BUDGET movie with a nearly all-black cast. Lucas even said Hollywood doesn't want to take a chance on a "black story" with an all-black cast because it's "risky" ... That was inherently racist despite the delusional belief that diversity meant all characters/actors were treated equally regardless of race (there's a reason the trope of the Latina maid/cook and the black thug was so prevalent in Hollywood films until relatively recently). An Asian male romantic lead is still seen as "unrealistic" in Hollywood!

And there are still people like Perlmutter in Hollywood...

 

[DKehoe]

Bohemian Rhapsody got an Oscar for editing and that was a jumbled mess

It won the Oscar because of the circumstances the editor had to work with. The new editor had to step in on short notice to try and produce something that could be released after Singer left during production. The story got reworked, that scene in particular no longer made sense as it was shot and he had to work around that.

Apparently the talk was it was unsalvageable so the Oscar was his contemporaries recognising he did well with the situation he had to work with. The editor himself recognises that the end result isn’t actually good.

 

[YCoCg]

It won the Oscar because of the circumstances the editor had to work with. The new editor had to step in on short notice to try and produce something that could be released after Singer left during production. The story got reworked, that scene in particular no longer made sense as it was shot and he had to work around that.

Apparently the talk was it was unsalvageable so the Oscar was his contemporaries recognising he did well with the situation he had to work with. The editor himself recognises that the end result isn’t actually good.

So it's more like a pity Oscar then since he got a film out from apparent scraps? Doesn't that just prove it's not only non-white people getting awards as a "overcorrection"

 

[DKehoe]

So it's more like a pity Oscar then since he got a film out from apparent scraps? Doesn't that just prove it's not only non-white people getting awards as a "overcorrection"

Depends how you want to view it. But, rather than being a case of pity, if the job of the editor is to shape what they are given then taking something that’s thought to be unsalvageable and turning it into something that could be released could be seen as the best example of the craftsmanship of editing for that year. Particularly for an award voted on by other editors who are more likely to understand how difficult those circumstances are and the skill it required.

I’m not personally interested in discussing culture war stuff. So I’m not going to get into that. The big focus on that is a reason I now avoid a lot of movie discussions on here. I just thought I’d mention about that situation. Not to say that the Oscars always get it right. But it seems that one was a bit different than the usual candidates.

 

[SlimySnake]

What's an acceptable amount of Oscar's then? Which ones didn't it "deserve"?

Edit: La La Land got 6 and to me that film is trash, Shakespeare in Love also got 7 and that movie was utter tosh, West Side Story got 10 and that's a damn cheesy musical.

But people are angry that Everything Everywhere All At Once got 7 and calling it an "overcorrection"? Please.

Edit 2: FUCKING BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY GOT 4 INCLUDING EDITING! FUCKING FOUR!

All trash movies that are overrated and shouldnt have won those oscars. i mean shakespeare in love won best picture over saving private ryan. what a fucking joke. also, a best supporting actress oscar for literally 5 minutes of screentime. literally a joke. just like bohemian rhapsody winning best editing.

 

[IntentionalPun]

People arguing about the Oscars here.. it’s an industry circle jerk, it’s never not been one.