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[Triumph]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0907-06.htm

Bush has rejected an offer of two mobile hospital units, 120 rescue and first aid experts and 50 tonnes of food from democratically elected "dictator" Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Likely to reject the offer of aid from Cuba, too.

I'm on the phone with Senator Isaakson's office, I'm asking him to impeach the President.

 

[olimario]

Bush needs to stop making this about politics. The more aid the better.

 

[Ruzbeh]

I'm on the phone with Senator Isaakson's office, I'm asking him to impeach the President.

Are you serious?

 

[DarienA]

WTF I could have sworn the press secretary said they weren't rejecting any aid?!?!!?

 

[3rdman]

As fucked up as the situation is down in the Bayou, the US really has all the resources necessary to get the job done. The problem has been our dipshit leaders and their criminal negligence. Pray for a shift in the senate in 2006...an impeachment wouldn't be far behind...assuming the Dems grow a backbone.

 

[LakeEarth]

Bush needs to stop making this about politics.

You don't think Chavez and Castro's offer of aid isn't politically driven?

 

[olimario]

You don't think Chavez and Castro's offer of aid isn't politically driven?

It may be, but as long as they aren't asking for anything in return we should take it and send a nice "thank you" note.

 

[Boogie9IGN]

You don't think Chavez and Castro's offer of aid isn't politically driven?

Quoted for the fucking truth

 

[Straightballin]

Are you serious?

Im curious aswell are you?

 

[dskillzhtown]

Actually, I expected this. Well atleast from the Cuban aid anyway. If you think for one second that Castro wasn't going to try to leverage the aid into some kind of normalization of relations, you would be wrong. I figured that Bush wouldn't accept any aid when there are strings attached.

 

[Triumph]

Are you serious?

Like a heart attack. I'm going to call Senator Chickenhawk Chambliss as well as my Representative, John Lewis next.

 

[DarienA]

You don't think Chavez and Castro's offer of aid isn't politically driven?

While this is true what would accepting this aid do? It would help the citizens in the area that need it.

You think those citizens care that Chavez and Castro will then harp that they helped the big bad US? Absolutely not.

I understand your side... but I think in this case the people should be thought of first, as long as those offers of aid don't come with any strings attached.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

if a hurricaine hit Cuba and Castro rejected american aid, im sure the right wingers and Bush admin would just spin that into how Castro doesn't care about his people.

 

[Straightballin]

Like a heart attack. I'm going to call Senator Chickenhawk Chambliss as well as my Representative, John Lewis next.

Tell us how it goes

if a hurricaine hit Cuba and Castro rejected american aid, im sure the right wingers and Bush admin would just spin that into how Castro doesn't care about his people.

I agree

 

[King Jippo]

Bush has rejected an offer of two mobile hospital units, 120 rescue and first aid experts and 50 tonnes of food from democratically elected "dictator" Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Likely to reject the offer of aid from Cuba, too.

Gee, I wonder why. I bet Fidel & Hugo had a good chuckle before they called up the US to offer too. No need to give propoganda fodder to a couple of cult of personality dictators. Chavez only yesterday was gloating that this is the beginning of the end for the American Empire. I'm sure his aid intentions are purely selfless.

 

[teh_pwn]

Does impeaching just remove Bush?

Because that won't do shit. The entire administration needs to be replaced idealy by independents IMO.

However it may increase public awareness of the crap this administration is putting this nation through and hand over congress/white house to democrats next time. I don't think that's really any better. I guess it depends on what type of democrats are in. If it's like Clinton's adminstration, I'd prefer that to this administration.

 

[hobart]

I'm on the phone with Senator Isaakson's office, I'm asking him to impeach the President.

:lol

This really is a misleading topic... are you sure you don't write for the Times?

 

[Malakhov]

Castro had also offered help for 9/11 and it was rejected.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Castro had also offered help for 9/11 and it was rejected.

its too bad Castro doesn't have any oil, otherwise he could treat his people like shit, and harbor terrorists, and still be buddies with Bush and co.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Does impeaching just remove Bush?

Because that won't do shit. The entire administration needs to be replaced idealy by independents IMO.

However it may increase public awareness of the crap this administration is putting this nation through and hand over congress/white house to democrats next time. I don't think that's really any better. I guess it depends on what type of democrats are in. If it's like Clinton's adminstration, I'd prefer that to this administration.

The unfortunate truth. Shit may actually get worse, because isn't cheney the one that steps up to plate? =(

 

[Synbios459]

Clinton was impeached and he still called the shots....

 

[sportzhead]

Bush didn't come up with this decision, he was told to reject it while he was playing Mario Bros. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth; he's a huge puppet.

 

[Synbios459]

I think they should make a deal where every 20-30 yearss EVERYONE in high-ranking places gets replaced. So stuff like this won't happen.

 

[MIMIC]

Gee, I wonder why. I bet Fidel & Hugo had a good chuckle before they called up the US to offer too. No need to give propoganda fodder to a couple of cult of personality dictators. Chavez only yesterday was gloating that this is the beginning of the end for the American Empire. I'm sure his aid intentions are purely selfless.

So now the United States can fend off global criticism about not wanting to put aside political differences in a time of crisis!

Yay!

 

[pnjtony]

Clinton was impeached and he still called the shots....

Quite true, just because a president is impeached doesn't mean he's gone. Nothing happens except extra critisizm

 

[Dan]

The unfortunate truth. Shit may actually get worse, because isn't cheney the one that steps up to plate? =(

But Cheney doesn't have nearly the ability to retain the support of America's idiots.

 

[Tamanon]

Well first off, this is all only according to Jesse Jackson. It also doesn't say *WHO* rejected the offer. Only mentioned it was a letter to the Louisiana Governor. But go ahead and run with the story, boys! I'll wait until a few more details come in.

 

[whytemyke]

:lol

This really is a misleading topic... are you sure you don't write for the Times?

....this is probably the dumbest post made on GAF all day today.

and that's saying something.

 

[Deku]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0907-06.htm

Bush has rejected an offer of two mobile hospital units, 120 rescue and first aid experts and 50 tonnes of food from democratically elected "dictator" Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Likely to reject the offer of aid from Cuba, too.

I'm on the phone with Senator Isaakson's office, I'm asking him to impeach the President.

Right... And you must think Mr. Chavez is a great democrat. Bush was also democratically elected, it doesn't make him more right that Hugo Chavez. Democratically elected is a relative term. As a chief Bush hater, you should know this.

The hypocricy and onsided nature of your post is quite obvious.

 

[snaildog]

If he rejects aid that will save people's lives for ANY reason he's an arsehole.

 

[hobart]

....this is probably the dumbest post made on GAF all day today.

and that's saying something.

:lol

You still have time to edit yours... I feel I don't need to qualify my statement one bit.

 

[Triumph]

Right... And you must think Mr. Chavez is a great democrat. Bush was also democratically elected, it doesn't make him more right that Hugo Chavez. Democratically elected is a relative term. As a chief Bush hater, you should know this.

The hypocricy and onsided nature of your post is quite obvious.

Florida, 2000. Mr. Chavez certainly didn't have any such issues- he won his elections handily.

 

[whytemyke]

:lol

You still have time to edit yours... I feel I don't need to qualify my statement one bit.

And I feel I don't have to qualify mine, either, though I will. The fact you'd slam Raoul by using something as idiotic as an NYT reference is pretty pathetic. I have a beef with everyone who actually believes all that NYT bullshit is anything more than political pressure, and the only way your comment SHOULD be construed as an insult is if Raoul flipped his position because the board pressured him.... as the NYT did.

Unless of course you were making the reference with the idea in mind that he'd turn his opinion around after enough people bashed him, in which case it was still a pretty stupid comment to make, based on Raoul's post history.

 

[Pimpwerx]

LOL! That's great. There is absolutely no reason to decline aid. WTF cares if this is clearly a political move by Chavez and Castro? Any country giving us aid is doing it for political reasons, not altruistic ones. And Castro gives aid to the islands all the time. They have a pretty sweet health program over there, and always send doctors down to the islands to help out. It's really only Americans who have this pigheaded view of Cuba due to decades of propoganda. Ask my mom and dad who helped out after Hurricane David. Who gave them a sholarship to UWI. Castro is much-appreciated around the islands b/c he does more to help out than the US. All the US does for the islands is send corporations to rape the land. And AFAIK, the US held up aid from some charity group going to Cuba as well, after that storm hit them this Summer. Politics have no place in humanitarian missions.

The reason Bush is turning this aid down is so that he doesn't lose the Cuban base, which is a massive swing vote in Florida. Get with the fucking times. Politics on both sides means this is a bullshit move, period. PEACE.

 

[Ruzbeh]

Florida, 2000. Mr. Chavez certainly didn't have any such issues- he won his elections handily.

Wow, you're the first person I've seen to actually give a good counter-argument to Deku.

 

[hobart]

And I feel I don't have to qualify mine, either.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

But because I do feel we can come to an agreement I want to say one thing:

I wish we lived in a world where lending a helping hand was not questioned and looked at with a raised eyebrow. With all my heart I wish this. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Actions, events, and the like... everything must be considered before taking action.

On the outset, a promotion of aid *seems* like a wonderful thing. But taken at extremes (perhaps comparing it to whether one would accept aid from, say, Bin Laden, or Hussein) it might be easier to grasp why Bush (and his elected/appointed officials) find it proper not to accept aid... especially aid which might be "loaded" in nature (which was mentioned in a prior post).

Aid... in this instance... is not the same no matter where it comes from. A fact that we have to deal with, unfortunately.

Edit: A response to your edit...

It was not meant to be a BASH at all... maybe a little jab. I respect Raoul and have enjoyed many of his posts in the past. But, simply basing on that fact alone... does not dictate that he cannot (and this is how I feel) make a mistake in a statement/post/title. When I read the topic title... I fealt angry and confused... when I read the post itself... I understood why President Bush rejected the aid and, thusly, disagreed with Raoul and his topic title.

As far as the NYT statement goes... I think you are taking me a bit too broadly... it was a light joke poking at a history that the NYT is known to have (and this is coming from a native NYer... not that that means anything). The NYT also has a history of misleading articles as well... so... I simply juxtaposed the two. Idiotic? I think not. Incorrect? Perhaps... but that's up to opinion.

I would have been better off by saying: "I disagree with you Raoul." But this is GAF and we all (maybe?) try to stick a little joke or reference in as many times as we can.

 

[Guileless]

I propose an all-purpose "Common Dreams Circle Jerk Thread" where y'all can post "news" like this, exchange sanctimonious bullshit, pat each other on the back about how fucking enlightened you are, and condescend to everybody else. Less board clutter that way.

 

[Drensch]

where y'all can post "news" like this, exchange sanctimonious bullshit, pat each other on the back about how fucking enlightened you are, and condescend to everybody else.

Yeah, kinda like Bush, Chertoff, Brown, Rummy, Cheny, Rice, and the rest of the fuck ups. We shouldn't play the blame game.

 

[DarienA]

I propose an all-purpose "Common Dreams Circle Jerk Thread" where y'all can post "news" like this, exchange sanctimonious bullshit, pat each other on the back about how fucking enlightened you are, and condescend to everybody else. Less board clutter that way.

I propose that those of us who think we are better than the rest of us crazy nuts don't bother posting.

 

[Fuzzy]

its too bad Castro doesn't have any oil, otherwise he could treat his people like shit, and harbor terrorists, and still be buddies with Bush and co.

Cuba does have oil, just not enough to matter.

The two of them offering aid is the worse thing for Bush. If Bush accepted the aid it would've been used against him. He declined it so he's an asshole. :lol

 

[Guileless]

I just read on brownshirt.org that Reverend Donald Wildmon said that Joe Liebermann and Carl Levin got Diane Feinstein in finger cuffs. I'm on the phone with the California Secretary of State to get her recalled like Gray Davis.

 

[demon]

More "aid" isn't going to do shit. The US has more than enough "aid", it's the matter of actually getting it down to New Orleans that's the problem. It's still a fucking travesty how poorly the whole thing is being handled, though. And we didn't need Katrina for grounds to impeach the president. Now, if Katrina were sucking Bush's dick in the Oval office, then I'm sure Bush's fellow republicans would be in an uproar and calling for impeachment.

 

[SlickWilly223]

Just a question, if you can answer it please do.

The National Guard can be deployed by any state within their state whenever they wish, right? Why didn't LA just send down the National Guard the day after Katrina? Surely that would have helped thousands, it would have limited the looting, and preventing any possible shootings. They probably could have gotten so many people out with their help too, right?

What's the deal? Please clarify on this subject.

 

[FightyF]

You don't think Chavez and Castro's offer of aid isn't politically driven?

It is.

But so is Bush's efforts. So...what's the issue here?

 

[Ruzbeh]

Now, if Katrina were sucking Bush's dick in the Oval office, then I'm sure Bush's fellow republicans would be in an uproar and calling for impeachment.

Bush has a dick?

Seriously, no, he can get his dick sucked, as long as he doesn't lie about it.

 

[AB 101]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0907-06.htm


I'm on the phone with Senator Isaakson's office, I'm asking him to impeach the President.

IBTP


Impeach Bush!

Then you have Cheney.

GAF am cry.

Well, hope all goes well Duke. You certainly are dedicated.

Dems need more of you.

I think.

 

[demon]

Bush has a dick?

that picture works on multiple levels.

 

[gigapower]

What about those damn terrorist harboring people from Sweden who have offered to send over Cellular phone equipment and water purification equipment, along with the people to help.....yet Bush and Co. won't approve them to fly it into the US. I guess someone needs to tell Bush that cellphones don't work with magic that they need transmission/recieve stations and that all that water in New Orleans is not drinkable, just because you see water doesn't mean you can drink it.

 

[Triumph]

I propose an all-purpose "Common Dreams Circle Jerk Thread" where y'all can post "news" like this, exchange sanctimonious bullshit, pat each other on the back about how fucking enlightened you are, and condescend to everybody else. Less board clutter that way.

You're funny, in that not so funny kind of way. The article was originally from the Guardian UK. I'm sure you're going to launch into an ad hominem attack on that publication now.

 

[whytemyke]

It was not meant to be a BASH at all...

Oh. Sorry. I'm a little up tight.... I need to get laid :lol